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myLot reputation of 97/100. macdingolinger (4924)   ranked 10 out of 13 in guitarist 3 years ago

I was at a meeting awhile back and a lady was playing a nine string guitar. At first I thought she was kidding me. I laughed and asked if it was a 12 string missing 3 strings. But it really was a nine string guitar.

I have looked for them on line and cannot find one anywhere. It had a perfect sound!

Anyone ever seen one? Know where to get one?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (12406)   3 years ago

If it's what I think, it was a six string guitar with three extra bass strings. Usually the bottom three strings are rarely if ever fingered but played open. They are usually tuned lower than E to accentuate the bass.

Here's an article describing the use of non-standard stringing which may help: http://www.earlyromanticg...

Alternatively, here is a description of a 9 string baritone which uses three double courses for the treble strings and three single basses: http://www.bischoffguitars.com/9-string_story.htm

Such instruments are mostly custom-made or, at least, made in very small quantities. Acquiring one would be either a matter of pure luck, having one made (expensive) or making one yourself (depends on your skill at instrument making). As you can see from the pictures, many instruments are more or less adaptations of standard instruments but, of course, the extra strain from another three strings needs to be taken into consideration.


myLot reputation of 97/100. macdingolinger (4924)   ranked 10 out of 13 in guitarist  3 years ago

Thanks so much for the information! It is definetly out as far as crafting my own... I'm like Jerry Lewis when it comes to things like that. I would get it so screwed up no one could make anything of it!!

Thanks for the sites! They are very insightful and helpful!

I don't recall where she said she purchased her instrument. I did think she said it was made by Alvarez; but I've had no luck finding one like it there!

Thanks again!


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (12406)  3 years ago

Alvarez are a well known and respected classic guitar maker. I have seen a 9 (or 10) string classic guitar many years ago in a shop window but I don't remember when or where or who the maker was, whether it was a special display or anything more about it! The instrument I saw was exactly like any classic guitar but had a wider neck.

Lutes were not infrequently built with more than six courses and lute music (which is often written on a tab stave, showing the fingering for each string) can certainly be had for more than 6 courses. I seem to remember being told that the guitar on display was made so that a guitar player could play lute music.


myLot reputation of 97/100. macdingolinger (4924)   ranked 10 out of 13 in guitarist  3 years ago

Wow!I am going to have to do much more research! I did check out the sites you sent. They had some very interesting information. I enjoyed the sound tracks they contained as well!

Thanks for sharing.


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (12406)  3 years ago

I still wasn't clear about what instrument you saw until I read the response below. It seems that the one you saw had six courses but with the three bass ones doubled (octaved?).

The instrument I had in mind above had nine courses, all single, with the top six tuned either as a classical guitar or as a lute and the lower strings tuned in various ways but lower than the bottom E (the actual tuning often depends on the key one is playing a piece in and will usually be a low tonic-dominant combination ... in the key of C, for example, you might tune the lowest three C-G-C or C-F-G below the normal E bass. Not only do they give the occasional bass note below the normal range but they also act as sympathetic strings and enhance and enrich the harmony.

Another way of using nine strings is to double some of the courses - for example the three bass courses - either in unison which gives more power to that range or in octaves which lends fullness to the harmony.

I play a mandola tuned very similarly (four courses, 8 strings, with the bass two courses octaved and the two treble courses in unison). My instrument has the same pear shaped body as a flat-backed 'Irish' bouzouki, a Portuguese guitarra or an English guitar but with a shorter neck than a bouzouki and is tuned an octave below the violin (G-D-a-e, the same as many tenor banjos) with the top E at the same pitch as a guitar. The fact that the two lower courses are octaved (Gg and Dd) makes it less easy to use the full range for melody but, on the other hand, makes rhythm work much more satisfactory than a standard mandola or tenor banjo (I used to play with a band playing mainly Irish and Scottish dance music).

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2. myLot reputation of 89/100. commanderxo (816)   3 years ago

Alvarez came out with a 9-string acoustic/electric a couple of years ago. (Model# 5058) There's also talk that another company (HALO-Extended Range Guitars) will be coming out with their version (called Framus)fairly soon. Check out the video demonstrations on YouTube. Also apparently now, they're even making BASE guitars available in a 9-string! Cool, or what?

cdrxo


myLot reputation of 97/100. macdingolinger (4924)   ranked 10 out of 13 in guitarist  3 years ago

whoa!! How cool is that? I loved the sound of the one I played. I was thinking the lady wo whom it belonged told me it was tuned like a 12-string, only minus the extra three top strings like on the 12-string.

I'll have to look up more information!


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (12406)  3 years ago

Ah! So the one you saw had octave courses on the three bass strings (so still only six courses). That would make sense, too, and would give a marvellous sound, though, given the lower tension on a classical/nylon strung guitar could also give problems with buzzing and fret noise. It would take a very experienced lutenist to make a successful instrument.


myLot reputation of 89/100. commanderxo (816)  3 years ago

Tuned like that of a 12 string, would only make proper sense to me.
Octave-wise, it would be a bit of an adjustment...but probably no more less than another learning curve, I'd imagine. No doubt it would take some getting used to.

I once owned a 12 sting about 20 some odd years ago...Epiphone it was; solid spruce top, rosewood & maple neck...verrrrry nice! I've got to admit...I really enjoyed the tonality of the instrument, moreover than that of the 6-string. There's just something about that "sound", if you know what I mean?

cdrxo

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3. bobferrara (1)   3 years ago

To whom it may concern:
I have an 1980 Alvarez Yairi nine string for sale. It is number 66 out of only 200 made as the orginal prototype. If intrested you may respond to:
bob (at) bobferrara (dot) net

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4. MostMuscular (1)   3 years ago

I have an Alvarez Model 5058 9 string guitar which I've had since 1981 and haven't played much in the last 25+ years so I'm considering selling it. It is in very good condition with orginal hard body case. Any takers? Give me an offer I can't refuse.


MostMuscular (1)  3 years ago

If you're interested send me an email:

mnmostmuscular at yahoo dot com


myLot reputation of 97/100. macdingolinger (4924)   ranked 10 out of 13 in guitarist  3 years ago

wow!!! I wouldn't even know what to offer.....


joemillwood75 (1)  2 years ago

i have one also.if anyone interested.hit me joemillwood75@yahoo.com.its very rare.im trying to find an exact value.e mail and ill let u know what i find out

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