Why don't Democrats won't tolerate moderates in their party?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
April 29, 2009 5:00pm CST
With the recent party change of Arlen Specter people are accusing republicans of having no moderates. The opposite is true. Republicans not only have a large number of moderates, but even several supposed republicans that vote with democrats the majority of the time. Arlen Specter was one of those republicans. Democrats on the other hand, have systematically worked to remove the moderate members of their party. The most moderate member currently in the Senate is Senator Byrd, who votes Democrat 55% of the time. No other democrat comes even close to that voting record. you may remember that the democrats ousted Lieberman back in 2006 after having an 80% and 75% voting record as a democrat. Right now, they are the party of extremists. In 2008, 16 democrats in the Senate voted with their party 100% of the time. The average voting record for democrats in the senate was 90%. In the house 59 democrats had 100% voting records with an average record of 89%. Sounds really moderate to me. By contrast, in the senate there was ONE republican with a 100% record of voting with his party. ONE republican, as opposed to SIXTEEN democrats. In the house there were 30 Republicans with 100% voting records to 59 Democrats.
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• United States
30 Apr 09
Taskr, the reason that democrates kicked Lieberman out in 2006 was his support for republicans, and his numberous pro republican interviews on FOX news. Do you remember Jim Jeffords? Republicans really liked him alot, didn't they? You also have to take into consideration that their is a large rift in the republican party right now, and getting them to agree on anything isn't easy. Just look at the last three days with Spector leaving, some were happy, some were made, and some didn't care. I am sure that this has something to do with the number of republicans that just don't like each other, and don't agree with them.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Apr 09
For such a great debater when in any of your response did you even attempt to answer Taskr discussion.
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• United States
30 Apr 09
Gew, I am sorry if you don't like my post (well I really am not sorry, personally I could careless how you feel), do you need me to explain what I wrote? I know that sometimes I use big words, and talk about things that may go over your simple mind. But, if you need help keeping up, please let me know and I will try to help you out.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I don't know what interviews he did on Fox News at the time because I was too busy for television then. His voting records was still heavily democratic, with a low of 75%, whereas Specter's voting record as a republican was 42% last year, with a lifetime record of 44.47%. Jim Jeffords wasn't kicked out of the party or anything. He just changed from Republican to independent. That pissed people off because it cost the Republicans their majority in the senate. Either way, he wasn't really a republican so it was the right choice for him. His lifetime voting record was only 27%, further evidence that Republicans are more willing to accept moderate members. There are mixed reactions to Specter, because he had a 50/50 voting record for the most part so people don't expect his votes to change. Some are mad just because this means a decrease in the number of republicans, but I think that part is meaningless. Then others are offended because he really hasn't changed, he's just an opportunist that decided he'd have a better chance of getting reelected if he changed his party to democrat.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I still have not heard of a maverick Democrat, even though John McCain has his maverick rangers. Joe Lieberman was a prefect Democrat except for his support for the war in Iraq. The reason we hear so much about Republican needing to moderate is because the North East. The North East holds a special place in the heart of a lot of Republicans because the region at one time was a strong hold for Republican. When FDR won in 32 Hoover still won the North East. The North East was what the Deep South is today. Democrats have given up on the Deep South as just a bunch of Rednecks, while the North East is sophisticated almost European. So Democrat do not need to moderate to win in the North East only Republicans.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
1 May 09
Republicans have a large number of moderates and Democrats are the party of extremists? With all due respect, I'm afraid we have different definitions of "moderates" and "extremists". I really don't think the number of member from each party who have voted with their party every time is a fair assessment, either. I could say that since there are so many more Democrats than there are Republicans it would stand to reason that there would be more of them voting with their party. It also could be said that maybe they were RIGHT or at least really believed they were. Is the measure of a good member of Congress how many times they voted against their party whether they were voting their own conscience or not? You have the example of Joe Lieberman who you've invoked several times in recent days. Fair enough, he was stripped of a chairmanship and some in the party were angry with him over his strong support for McCain and before that for his strong support for Bush's Iraq policies. That's one example and it's a well-known one mainly because Lieberman had been the V.P. nominee in 2000; there have been many examples in the GOP of a moderate being thrown off the bus. I agree with Arlen Specter, they want to purify the party and they really don't care if they lose in the general elections in the process. Since you keep brining Joe Lieberman up, here's a question for you - if the Republicans tolerate moderates so much, why is it they forced McCain to choose Sarah Palin as his running mate instead of the ones he wanted, reportedly Lieberman or Tom Ridge, who actually is a somewhat moderate Republican? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 May 09
"With all due respect, I'm afraid we have different definitions of "moderates" and "extremists". " We do, but your definition changes according to your argument. You said that Senators Collins and Snowe from Maine were moderates. They are republicans who voted with Democrats 75% and 80% of the time last year. If we were to stick with your definition, you would have to say that there are ZERO moderates in the democratic party since no democrat voted with republicans that often. "I could say that since there are so many more Democrats than there are Republicans it would stand to reason that there would be more of them voting with their party." For that argument to hold water there would have to be 16 times as many senators in the democratic party. In fact, for it to hold any semblance of water there would have to be more moderates in the democrats as well and clearly, that is not the case. "there have been many examples in the GOP of a moderate being thrown off the bus." Why don't you show me these "MANY" examples Annie? "why is it they forced McCain to choose Sarah Palin as his running mate instead of the ones he wanted, reportedly Lieberman or Tom Ridge, who actually is a somewhat moderate Republican?" I don't believe that anyone forced McCain to choose Palin at all. I think that's just a load of crap contrived to turn more people against Sarah Palin. Tom Ridge would have guaranteed McCain a loss in the election. He would have been as meaningless to the Republican ticket as Biden was to the Democrat's ticket. Lieberman would have been a longshot. I ranked him third behind Palin and Romney for the VP choices with the best chance of helping McCain win. Besides those three, NOBODY else could have helped him win, or even raised his numbers for as long as Sarah Palin did.
@coolcoder (2018)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Four words: Because. They. Are. Hypocrites. It's pretty much that simple. Democrats demand change (there's that word again.) from everyone but themselves. Everyone else has to abide by the law to the letter. It's quite childish, really. They want their cake, but they want to eat it, too.