Star Trek got it wrong?  |
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| There's an episode of the original Star Trek titled "The Empath". It's about an alien woman who is so sensitive to the feelings of others that she feels them as if they were her own. Recently I joined a forum "Aspies and their partners". I'm pretty sure I have mild Asperger's Syndrome and I was looking for something that would help me and my husband figure out how to communicate better. We don't just have the usual male vs. female communication issues but also, we are discovering, a lot of Aspie vs Neurotypical ("normal") communication issues. There were a couple of posts that were incredibly helpful in describing Aspie thought processes vs. neurotypical thought processes with people who are in a relationship and how they compensate for their differences. I had commented that my husband feels something is "off" when I respond logically when he expects an emotional response and that I understand his emotional responses intellectually but I don't "feel" them. So one neurotypical person left the comment that based on what her counselor had told her the other day, that I had empathy but not sympathy. That puzzled me a bit so I went and looked up the definitions of both words. Merriam-Webster definition of sympathy: the act or capacity of entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another b : the feeling or mental state brought about by such sensitivity - have sympathy for the poor. Merriam-Webster's definition of empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner. Looks like, based on the dictionary definition of empathy, Star Trek should have called their alien something other than an empath. lol So here is where I'm going with this, because I'm on a journey of exploration, for those of you who choose to answer. When you deal with somebody, a friend, loved one, somebody you care about basically, who is very emotional about something, do you actually share their emotions with them? Or do you just sort of intellectually understand their emotions because you have felt similar emotions yourself? PS If your answer is "none of the above", could you just please delete me as you're probably a serial killer. Just kidding... | | | | | |
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1. katsmeow1213 (7748)
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3 years ago
| | Actually Star Trek was correct, because I've seen a similar episode on the series "Charmed". There apparently (or at least in stories) are such people known as empaths who can sense other's emotions. To understand someone else's feelings I tend to put myself in their shoes, imagine myself going through a similar situation. The problem is I view it as ME going through that situation. Which means I can't get excited for a pregnant woman, because that is not something that would excite me. I can't feel sympathy for a woman who is trying to get pregnant and can't. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | It's just that that definition for empath doesn't jive with the definition of empathy. I put myself in the other person's shoes also but I can't honestly say that I feel what they're feeling. | | | |
owstalaga (1024)
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13 months ago
| | Well from what i read online, being an empath and having empathy are two different things. An empath can experience what the other person is actually feeling whereas empathy is when you are thinking of how it must feel like for the other person if you were in their situation to know how he/she might be feeling. | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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13 months ago
| | yep true | | | |
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2. savypat (13301)
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3 years ago
| | I understand what you feel because I have felt that way myself, but my reaction is get over it and deal with the problem, what ever it is. This is the way I deal with myself and I guess I expect others to do this. I know that may not be very realistic, but you can't cry over the burned house if you're in the path of the flames. If you do you won't last very long. I will morn a loss as much as anyone else maybe even more but only after the necessary things have been done. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | I react that way too, but I often get a response from people that my reaction is "off". Which is fine, I can deal with that too. I'm just wondering if there are really people who feel other people's emotions. | | | |
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Irishfrndly65 (8534)
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3 years ago
| | Oh and I know a few other women like me, we tend to be attracted to each other, as friends. | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | I can't do that at all. I can only just imagine based on my own past experiences. | | | |
Irishfrndly65 (8534)
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3 years ago
| | Been reading the other responses. What I "feel" doesn't usually wipe me out. I might break down and have a real good cry for a person, cleansing and exhausting, but that's somewhat rare. I do, however, shed tears for others. I can express my own emotions quite easily as well, maybe too much so. ;) What I "feel" doesn't incapacitate me, I share it, while needed then it's done, I guess. I'm very expressive and just seem to know when someone is hurting, especially if I'm close to them. | | | |
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dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | You're welcome. :-) | | | |
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4. ElicBxn (24668)
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3 years ago
| | I remember that episode of Star Trek, and I was (novice to science fiction that I was then) mentally (since I couldn't do it aloud) screaming at the TV that they had it wrong. She MIGHT'VE been a healer, but she wasn't an EMPATH! Boy, talk about messing up badly enough that someone who barely knew any science fiction as I did at the time could spot the error! | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | I didn't catch it but then I was pretty young... -10 and if you believe that... | | | |
ElicBxn (24668)
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3 years ago
| | lets see..... it started when I was in 8th grade.... That would make me.....12 | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | It started when I was 8 but I wasn't really able to watch until it went into syndication. | | | |
ElicBxn (24668)
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3 years ago
| | I caught the first episode, and saw all except one first run - and the one I missed (the "indian" one) is one of the bad ones... | | | |
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5. barehugs (5851)
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3 years ago
| | Speaking as a Yogi, who studies Meditation, its my view that one should never try to feel the emotions of other people. If this became a habit, it could tear the psyche apart. Its OK as a friend to empathize, and by staying back from the impact of the emotion you will be better able to be a friend and counsel. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | I can't imagine trying to do that, not completely. But what if somebody had the talent and pretty much couldn't help doing it? | | | |
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Anora_Eldorath (3661)
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3 years ago
| | Which Yoga do you practice and teach? One of my favorite Yogi writers is Paramahansa Yogananda. Namaste-Anora | | | |
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6. rmuxagirl (6855)
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3 years ago
| | empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner Empathy is the understanding of feelings and thoughts as you posted above. Beinng an empath is understanding them to the point of actually feeling others emotions as your own, so the Star Trek episode is correct as is the one of Charmed which someone posted about. I am an empath. I can literally feel the emotions of the people around me. I cannot be at places like funerals because the pain and sorrow is so powerful that it overwhelms me. It makes it easy to understand how other people are feeling, but hard to express my own emotions because I cannot put them into words. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | That must be really tough. I am pretty detached myself... | | | |
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7. celticeagle (15668)
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3 years ago
| | I don't think you actually have to actually share every bit of the other persons emotional journey to understand their feelings. Empaths are just very sensitive, more than the usual empathic person would be. This sensitivity is so deep and profound that unless disciplined it can be very invasive and hurtful to the empath. And, no, I don't think Star Trek had the wrong idea at all. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | Maybe they did but based on the dictionary definition of empathy... Then again it doesn't necessarily follow that what an empath feels is the dictionary definition of empathy. :-) | | | |
celticeagle (15668)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, that is true. The dictionary is just giving you the definition for the emotion, not the gift. They are almost two different things. | | | |
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8. cynthiann (5234)
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3 years ago
| | This is a hard question to answer because I think that I do both. I feel pain or whatever emotion another person is feeling and this is worse for me if I have personally experienced what the othe person is going through. for example if a friend/relative has lost a spouse through death then I have experienced death of my husband and it is so much worse for me. It ios like I am experieincing it all over agai - yet becuase of my experience I am better able to help this person. I guess that I have both empathy and sympathy in my make up. I am very emotional. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | that has to be pretty draining... | | | |
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9. Anora_Eldorath (3661)
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3 years ago
| | Dawn- I never truly thought that Star Trek had it wrong where Diana Troy was concerned. In fact, I thought she was quite well suited. Though, I think that when we use the terms in conversation there is the clinical definition and the more paranormal definition where empaths are concerned. In the clinical definition I think you have the right answers. Sympathy is what I show you, empathy is when I can put myself in your place. In Star Trek, I think they take the latter a step further into the verge of paranormal and that she's able to tell you what emotion the person is feeling. In a lot of paranormal fields, there are those that are very asstute in picking up on these emotions, and are sensitive to them and what people are thinking, etc. I've never been around a psychic such as that yet, but I'm sure they do exist. This is where I think Star Trek was going. Now, in terms of myself, I love reading people. I tend to try to make sure I'm using intellect to deal with various people, but I do rely a great deal on their body language and their emotions (obvious and hidden) to get a good reading on them. If I'm doing an aura reading, etc I always have permission to do so before I start. I would never read the tarot, aura, or what not without permission. That just violates my ethics. Namaste-Anora | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | Well actually I wasn't talking about Troy, but about an episode from the 60's with an empathic woman named Gem. She was a mute and she was being held by a group of aliens who were trying to get her and her people to "save" their race from extinction (some disease they all had). But she was too afraid of feeling the pain herself and wouldn't take it on. They put her in a situation where Kirk would die if she didn't help him, thus forcing her to choose between utter selfishness or selflessness. I'd bet you'd have a hard time reading me. lol I'm told it's pretty difficult... | | | |
Anora_Eldorath (3661)
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3 years ago
| | Well, it does help when one tells another which Star Trek episode and show they are speaking about. I think I recall that one, and in that case I'm guessing it wasn't anything to do with Troy's abilities as an "empath", nor anything metaphysical. It was about feeling emotion for one's self. I don't even think that episode was truly about not being able to empathize or have sympathy, though sympathy could play a role. I find it is more about having emotion, much like Spock's uniqueness. Spock's father has no emotion, or at least the Vulcans have done away relying on their emotional sides. Spock however has the ability to be both logical and base decisions upon emotions. In relating it to mild autism, some can learn to read situations, though they may never truly feel that emotion themselves. Meaning, they can understand that someone is telling them a joke, though they themselves may not see the humor. Such as with someone with Aspergers. Of course, the more researchers discover about ASD, the more I'm amazed as a special education teacher. Though, truly more amazed by the students I've taught with ASD. Though, that perhaps is a discussion for another thread. Namaste-Anora | | | |
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10. libby2009 (2553)
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3 years ago
| | I have the ability to both empathize and sympathize with people. As a matter of fact, I am so moved by what they are going through that I can cry with them and for them. I am an intellectual though and I will try to reason with the person to see if I get them to see the situation in a different light so that they feel better. | | | | | | |
dawnald (24242)
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3 years ago
| | I can do 2 out of 3. lol | | | |
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