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myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing7 months ago

As some of you know I write for both Associated Content and Helium (I am doing much better earnings wise at AC). Well, last week as you may also know I decided to start a new section of my personal web site about gardens and gardening. As with both AC and Helium I retain the rights I posted my garden articles on my web site.

Most of us know that these two sites earn from the ads that are generated on our content, articles we publish on their sites. They are depending on searches from the search engines finding our articles and their ads.

I post a 'hit counter' on most of my key pages which allows me to see where my visitors are coming from. Friday night I checked the counter on my 1 week old Garden site and guess what - I'm getting hits from the search engines already. Now interestingly when I checked the search an article that I posted on AC and Helium did not pull. My new site did - for the same article...

Ok here's my tip "If you want to write to be found on the search engines don't depend on AC or Helium to be found."

If a lowly old lady can get found maybe AC and Helium need to revamp their system. What do you think?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. mjsdls (1260)   ranked 91 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

Thanks Faith, Good idea. I'm do much better in my writing and the Masters Course I'm taking. I signed up for a mentor named Joshua Boswell and he is great! He does that Monday Morning Jumpstart program. I have gotten more done this week since listening to him than I have in one year.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Oh that's wonderful I have a mentor also - friend here on mylot, has helped to get me motivated and given me direction where I can go with my writing.

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. scheng1 (1690)   ranked 90 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

Hi Bifaithonly, that's great! Indexing sometimes takes a few days to a week or two in Helium and AC.
Actually Helium and AC have too many categories, probably that's why your article on gardening does not stand out. They are good for internal linkings, some readers may read a more seasoned article, and click on to read your articles.
I have not post my articles to my blog, sometimes I will rewrite a bit, so that the ideas are there, but the wordings are different. Duplicate content on blog is not really good for Google page ranking.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Hi scheng1 - the article I'm talking about has been on AC and helium for several months. Very true about blogs, I post my articles there but only for the networking from other bloggers. I hate to rewrite my work though - the best I do is the first time around and I just feel like I'm messing up my work if I re-do it.


myLot reputation of 98/100. scheng1 (1690)   ranked 90 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Hi, seldom hear any article in AC sits for months without indexing.
Why not do a manual check? Copy the whole URL to google search page, but you need to delete those "?Cat=". Make sure the URL ends with just html
I check mine regularly, almost all articles are indexed within two weeks.
I'm not so sure about Helium, since the articles are in a group, and come under a common title, I dont worry so much. If one article in the pack was indexed long ago, the readers reading that article will likely click to read mine, if my article ranked among the top.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I've done that before but yea it will pull when you do that - but key is the common person typing in the yahoo or google search engine finding the page or article. My page was #1 on yahoo out of 30 some thousand... I like that:)


myLot reputation of 98/100. scheng1 (1690)   ranked 90 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Hi Bifaithonly, actually when you have three exactly the same article in 3 different sites, search engine will show one, and ignored the rest.
That's why rewritting is important. And rewriting does not mean major rewrite, just change a few words here and there, so that search engine will think all three are original articles.
Probably you will see all three articles rank in the front page of the search.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Afraid I have to disagree with you on that one - easy way to check for plagerized articles or discussions here take a line from the writing, put it in quotes and stick it in a search box - engine will pull any page that has the same exact wording.
Example "Italian Seasoning is a combination of several different herbs" pulls my garden site, then the article on helium, then the one on AC, and also the 'clip' posted on my blog. It did also pull another helium article that had the same exact words (going to check that one out - I have found many articles on helium that were plagerized from other sites)

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3. myLot reputation of 92/100. parthasarathi (356)   ranked 1,741 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

I think what AC or similar site does is, earn big bucks by letting you earn. Now, they have 1000s of writes there, they shuffle them alot. so, your desired search may not come up. The search engines pick up personal or public sites first, not business sites like AC first. Its just what i think. I am not sure how far it can be true.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I don't so much think that the engines give priority to personal sites over business sites I think it may however have to do with these sites like AC and Helium the search engines know what they are doing, even myLot does it, collecting content to pull in searches. I'll continue to take my few dollars here and there from these sites but will certainly be spending more time publishing on my own site.

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4. myLot reputation of 91/100. ORyansBelt2012 (2113)   ranked 33 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

So how much money does AC actually earn you? Though I post here a lot for the mere pittance of coinage I get each day this is a monumental waste of time if I'm looking at this from strictly an earnings perspective.
Google's blog site blogspot.com is an ads generated earnings site, but you have to be an IT wizard to install their link into your start up root language and I wasn't going to threaten totally screwing up my computer worse than it already is.
The snob approach to AC and Helium is not to waste your time earning pennies when you should be going after the big bucks, but if you haven't earned any of those big bucks yet, those pennies start to add up after awhile. I may have to give A/C another try. It looks like the bulk of my summer is going to be spent parked right here in this chair waiting all day so I might as well do something to earn a little extra coin while I'm here.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I know some people are making good money at AC and Helium both but they have 100s of articles posted and on 'hot topics'. I'm old and not up with the latest trends so don't have knowledge in that area. My article on 'step-mothers' is doing 'ok' on AC but all total 37 articles there has earned me a little over $75, 30 articles on Helium and I still haven't reached the $25 payout. I'm sure you would do better than me, current sports happenings seem to be popular.

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5. myLot reputation of 96/100. snowy22315 (8122)   ranked 118 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

Thank You for your tip faith. It sounds like you have the system figured out pretty well. I personally, have given up on AC and Helium as a source of income. I think there are better sites out there that are not so heavily utilized. You may want to investigate textbroker. They pay decently. Another site that is worth checking out is Constant Content.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I actually think I have a membership at Constant Content but have never done anything with it. I've never heard of textbroker but will certainly check it out - I need to make as much money as I can with limited time to write, thanks for your tip.

I am pretty 'expert' on the search engines and content writing - published 5 e-books as a ghostwriter on internet marketing:) did a ton of research and testing for those jobs.

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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

HAHA. You're funny. Doubt if you're lowly or old. AC was having problems indexing, but I am happy to see most of the articles are able to be found. As for your article not showing up from either site, I have a feeling maybe it was a newly written article? If not it might have been because others have recently written garden articles that were more popular on the sites, or even older??? Did any articles pop up from AC and Helium on gardening?


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

PS It does make you wonder about those sites, doesn't it? I wonder whose articles they are giving privy to or if they are still having search engine troubles. Either way, it doesn't make them look very good.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I actually did an 'exact word' search on yahoo and all 3 articles showed so know search engine is indexing them it's just obvious to me at least that the engines aren't giving them as much priority. Makes me feel good to see my article (page) pull #1 spot on yahoo though after only a week. Sure the others are there but buried who knows how many pages deep.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

LOL. That's great your website is showing up with your article. Congrats! Most people have such a hard time getting traffic. You should write a how-to article about getting traffic. Actually, you have haven't you. I hope your articles are doing well on AC.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Yea it does feel good but it took work also. My site has actually been online for 9 years today (how long I've had the domain) but for the article to be picked up that quick was/is unusual. Also, yes have written it but after reading the responses from this discusson I am thinking it's time to write again this time under my own name:) I made good money as a ghostwritter and learned a lot along the way but to be honest I much prefer having my name 'in lights' or at least seeing that 'by line'.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Wow! That's good to even have a website that you have had for a while to still be active with. You probably should start writing directly to it, especially if it makes you more money. That's pretty incredible.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I love my web site and I have from the begining written on it although I do have a section where I've included those e-mails we all get from friends that have been passed around forever, author unknown. I do all my own graphics as well as am web master. At times it's 'work' but for the most part it's just a joy for me to share with others. There have been times I've thought I should be putting out the money but then a little voice tells me 'nope keep going' and I manage to scrape the money together.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I'm guessing at this point you are making more than enough money to cover the costs of the website? I don't know how that works because I have always used free websites. I didn't plan on making it a business or anything. Just a hobby.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Really not making as much money as I need or would like but the web site is my love so worth the cost - I could say I guess that myLot is paying for the web site:) 3 years I've been a member here I've made enough here to pay for the site. When I was ghostwriting I was paying all the bills with writing but my heart just wasn't in it. Now is time to move forward and get serious about my writing.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Wow! That's great. What websites did you use to Ghostwrite? I can't imagine making enough money to pay my bills and my bills aren't that much. LOL It's nice being able to do what you love to do and still make money while you do it. It also makes it easier to "work".


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

When I was making good money I was working for a private company - when I first started writing for them there was the owner and I think 3 other writers. It grew but afraid as it grew so did the management and problems. It was great, they found the work and assigned it to available writers but lack of communication and so other issues I parted ways. I miss the money but to be honest enjoy writing under my own byline and on topics I choice much more.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

It makes a difference when you are writing for yourself compared to the stress of a company putting deadlines and other problems on you. I think it's wonderful you are able to write on your terms instead of someone else's. I wish you much success.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Thank you so much dear for your well wishes on my success - at this point I have to say I may not become a Best Seller author but I do so love writing and figure if even just a few enjoy or gain something from my writing then I am a success.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I don't consider myself a professional writer because I've never been published. Not even by a newspaper. LOL I found out what it means to be a professional writer. I just got the biggest self satisfaction a non-published writer can get. My articles that I wrote for Associated Content are now all over the web, giving me credit. Websites I never new existed, picked up my articles to showcase. An optomology website is featuring one of my articles. An Ohio newspaper isn't featuring my article but an article in the newspaper has given reference to one of my articles and my byline. This is just as good as being published or famous. LOL


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

With that being said, I am sure you will accomplish anything you set your mind to. You are after all published.:-)

If you are even getting one view on your website then you are reaching someone. I think you are educating and entertaining more than just one person so you have reached your goal of one person enjoying your writing. Good luck.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Oh that is the ultimate compliment, when someone else uses your work, I got all excited one day when I found someone had refered to one of my web pages on Yahoo Answers - included the link and everything. I'm working right now on trying to find some local weekly papers I might be able to 'contribute' to.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

That's wonderful. I haven't reached "reporter" status. I'm getting a thrill out of writing articles, the type that magazines would use, that are showing up outside the realm of AC. I think it's incredible anyone even thought about my work. LOL Personally, I love the editorial thing and I haven't done that for about a year so I might try that again once I get back from visiting family.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I don't want to be 'reporter' actually same as you looking towards magazine articles but was told best way to get published in those is to have your byline out there and local papers are a great place to start - will pay next to nothing or even nothing but a start.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

That's a good way to start is to set a goal and have steps to get to the finished object. We all want money but no one outlines a plan to get it. It's certainly not going to fall from the sky. Although, that would be the easiest way to get it and we could hope. LOL I haven't thought much about what I want to do with my writing because my kids are still in elementary school, 1st and Pre-K. I have to see where their lives take them before I can even think of going back to work. My son is autistic so it's a wait and see game. I write on AC to make the most money during the time I have available during the day.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I have a friend here who has been 'mentoring' me on my writing direction and it has helped tremendously. Everything has told me has made since and I've seen where I've been wasting my time and talent as well as gotten pointers on how to get where I want to be. Has really made me set down and think rather than running here and there and getting no place. Right now I have a series of children's stories I'm working on - not sure they would be of the quality to warrent individual children's books but might run well in a children's magizine. There is still however that want and need to make some money but trying to focus more on the big picture rather than just what's in front of me right now.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

That's terrific. I am just working to make money right now. Writing is a dream for me, almost fantasy. I don't expect to be "hired" because I don't have a college diploma, nor experience in writing. What I do at AC is enough for me and when the kids go in their directions or at least full days in school, I will probably go back to an office job, bookeeping or taxes. I hate the corporate taxes but that is unfortunately, where the money is at and I am good at.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1077)   ranked 9 out of 6,413 in writing  4 months ago

Nice of you to give me "kudos". I have never done that with my discussions. Maybe I should.

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. vijayanths (876)   ranked 1,645 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

You are absolutely right byfaithonly. Sometimes I wonder how these reputed sites perform so low in the webworld. My wishes for you.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

One thing I think that accounts for it is the search engines know what they are doing, paying a few bucks for content. The big thing I think though is the wide wide variety of topics. It's taken me years but I have a 'reputation' my family friendly, christian based site doesn't have a lot of 'return links' but the majority of them are from similar sites - search engines love that. Also I have my site set up so such as this my 'garden' section links directly from my main domain page - spiders don't have to dig deep to find my pages.


myLot reputation of 94/100. vijayanths (876)   ranked 1,645 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

You sound very meaningful. It is not easy to get organic traffic to your site. I think you are reasonably successful in it, hats off to you.

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8. myLot reputation of 60/100. cbjones (304)   ranked 1,697 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

I was thinking about making a blog or website dedicated to some of my articles on AC. I've noticed an uptick in page views lately, which is very encouraging. It makes me think that maybe I'm doing something right, and that this whole keyword density thing isn't a farse after all.

Thing is, I don't know if focusing on one subject or posting all of my AC articles on a site would be the best way to go. I'm thinking a niche audience wouldn't care about a smorgasbord of information, and would rather see exactly what they searched for instead of extra content.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Keyword thing is certainly NOT a farse - search engines thrive on them. The secret is getting the right balance. If say you have a page that doesn't make any since just has the keyword a million times Yahoo will not list you (google is a lot more generous with that at least the last I knew). 1-5 keywords using at least one in each paragraph will pull best on the engines. Niches are good but you can still pull it off by 'grouping' as I have on my site Gardening, Family Tree, Christian, Graphics - each section has it's own main page linking to the articles or whatever related to that key topic. It's harder to do with a blog but you can still do it - make sure you use those keywords to 'tag' your article and have a list of those tags on the left hand panel of your blog if possible.

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9. myLot reputation of 92/100. SnowWhiteAndSeven (228)   ranked 1,944 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

Oh hey, that's a great tip. It does sound as though AC and Helium could be better in that regard.But it's amazing how many AC articles come up when I search for research material.

Congratulations, I think it's great you're showing up in a top position!


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

Thank you, I actually just finished writing an article on the topic of 'getting found on the search engines" and posted it to AC will be a few days at least before it's published. Then will search for a place for it on Helium. Then will post it on my web site - triple duty from one article.

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. coolmailpankaj (319)   ranked 3,015 out of 6,413 in writing   7 months ago

Hi.
I never liked either of the two as AC never allowed members from my part of the world and now Helium too have said bye bye to Indian writers. Or to be more precise, I don't think that my articles could have found a place among all you really good people. It is only mylot that can support us. happy

Even if, they had provided us with all the opportunities, your own place is always the best place to be at.


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 1 out of 6,413 in writing  7 months ago

I've heard that from a number of Indian writers - it's a shame there aren't sites similar to AC that are for just Indians where you could write in your native tonge. I'm sure your writing would be much better that way.

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