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| And so a perfect God creates a big beautiful universe in a BANG! Wait a minute, this perfect God screwed up! He created nothing except a bunch of SINNERS! Well, I guess even God can screw up. Is it really a screw up? In order to really learn, we all must have freedom of choice. OK, now I'm free to screw up and sin but aren't we all sinners?? How can a perfect God screw up so badly??? A Being who can create universes has got to be very very smart. Perhaps, we miss the point. When times are good, we sit back and enjoy the ride. When adversity hits, we have to think,plan,study,analyze, and grow in so many ways along the journey. When we use our freedom of choice to sin or screw up, aren't there always adverse consequences that teach us??? Hmmm?? Sounds like the perfect teaching tool to me. God counts on sin, screwing up and the consequences of our actions. When we see the consequences, we rethink our actions, knowing to act the same will bring the same results. The school of Hard Knocks has always been the best teacher. So sinning and screwing up are God's perfect, hands on teaching method. SUDDENLY YOU DON'T LOOK SO BAD!!! You are a child of God so you are special! Deep down, you have a heart of gold but sometimes you just need to see what it is that you are really doing. When you truly understand and see, you will make the right choices. God is unconditional love. God loves all His children. In God's eyes, we are the perfect little children learning and growing with the perfect teaching method. We are all eternal. Though hard lessons can hurt, IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT PUNISHMENT!! It's about LOVE AND LEARNING!! I've come a long way and learned a lot. I don't screw up very often but, you know, sometimes you just have to be a little STINKER!! God is really going to love my next great big screw up! Just think how smart I am going to be after that!! Don't ever worry. If God can create universes, what are a few wayward kids??? NO PROBLEM AT ALL!!! >>>>>>What do you think?? | | | | | |
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1. pamfloyd51 (110)
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3 years ago
| | God cannot screw up!!!!!!!! we r the ones who screw up. The Bible is a roadmap to heaven & we have to study it everyday & do our best to do what it says. God luvs us so much that He gave us a will. He wants people to serve him that want to. it is up to us. it is a shame that America does not stand up for God. people don't have any morals anymore, etc. i cannot beleive how TV has changed & how people don't serve God like they used too. if u r not born again & stayed prayed up & packed up every day u live u r going to miss God & end up in hell. the choice is ours. God does luv uncondionally, but also He is a God of wrath. He chastizes those that He luvs. | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Seems like religion has clouded your mind. Perhaps, you should question it more. God is so much more than you can find in any one book!!!! We are meant to think. Perhaps, it would help if you looked for the good in people. USA is the great melting pot in this world though there are problems, it is the best country on this planet. Thanks for the comments. P.S. God is unconditional love!! It is not about punishment. Stop punishing people and yourself! | | | |
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2. clutterbug (818)
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3 years ago
| | Hi bird123, This reminds me of Mark 2:17, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." thank you | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Hmmm???? So there are sinless, perfect people out there???? Perfect learning people perhaps. Righteous and not righteous???? Perhaps just an excuse to claim some as better than others. Can't go along with that one. It has a degree of ego and hate in it. Thanks for the comments. | | | |
Beertjie (717)
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3 years ago
| | I believe in the truth of this Scripture. Jesus did not come to call the righteous, because there is none that is righteous. All are sinners in need of a Saviour, all are sick and in need of a physician. Show me a person who has never been sick his whole life, then also show me a person who has never sinned, except Jesus. We all go to the same school, some just decide to learn easier than others. Those who learn the lesson the first time, can go on to the next, those who fail have to write the test again. Life is full of excamples. Great stuff. | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | You are right about learning lessons. If a lesson is not learned, you just get more lessons. God will teach all His children regardless of our choices no matter how long it takes. As for needing saving, what do we need saving from? God will teach us all the secrets of the universe including great wisdom. We of course are eternal. God has already done it all. | | | |
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3. Beertjie (717)
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3 years ago
| | Oh I love this post of yours... well done. For those who only read the first part and then comment, or get upset, sorry, you are missing a lot here. Bird, you have just given a great new insight into the flaws of man and the greatness of God, bless you. Oh, what a mighty God we serve. I am not looking forward to my next screw up, but I can't wait to see how much I will be changed for the better after the consequences has settled and I have learned my lesson. I have always hated school, but hey, today I can read and write, and even do maths because of shcool. Learning is not always pleasant, but it is nesesary. Bless you. | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | With religion, it's not always easy to seperate God from man parts. People also see only what they want to see. To discover truth one must be open to knowledge. I can see you are not only open but are wise to be able to see God without all the controls man tries to put on people. God always has the truth out there but it is up to us to discover. Perhaps a test of intelligence. Thanks for your comments. Maybe others will see as well. God is unconditional love and what that really means. | | | |
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4. fizanali (328)
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3 years ago
| | Please explain God's sweet little child 'HITLER' ! who killed 6 million jews ! That was a screw up !? What were his consequences ? | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Hitler will have great lessons to learn. God's education of His children can not be confined to a mere lifetime. There is just too much knowledge to learn. We are all eternal after all. War is a hard thing to learn. Let's don't forget the 26 to 27 million Russians who lost their lives and the million allied forces who were killed but it's not all about death. You have to see the good that is laced with the bad. World war 2 generated more technical advances than you can imagine. radar, jet planes, rockets, advances in plastics and even the computer which you use today. Did the Jews die in vain? I say no. Perhaps, it will be an eternal reminder for nations in the way they operate their foreign affairs not to let this happen again. It is a reminder to us all of what is really right. In any event, all the people who died are OK. We are all eternal. There are great souls in this universe willing to go through great sorrow in order to teach us all. These people have done that!!!!!! | | | |
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5. fizanali (328)
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3 years ago
| | So it means the more you sin the more you learn,the more wise you become ? Then next time if someone kills your brother or rapes your daughter don't fell bad about it because he is just a sweet child of God trying to learn more ! (Please don't mind it because it's just an example) Q: How do you know God gives only love and no punishment ? Q: Where do you take your concept of God from ? How do you know He exists ? Q: How can someone who has killed 6 million people (Hitler) learn from his mistakes (sins) when he goes on killing Jews on after the other ? How will justice be done to him ? Q: The person who does less sin learns the least !? Q: Why do you make you own assumptions at what God is like ? Why not see what God tells about himself ? Everyone in this world is not the same and does not feel the same way as you. Ask those innocent people who lost their children when their houses were bombed while they were peacefully sleeping. And also ask those who consider themselves God and take pleasure in torturing other humans. I agree that God is all loving that he created all of us, we do learn from our mistakes , we do suffer consequences in this world But that is not the full story. God is also Just and the Creator, the Ruler, the King of everything there is He is not just like a parent to us. Every religion says that God is merciful, loving But every religion also has the concept of Hell and punishment for the sinners. Why do you only take the first concept and not the second one ? I take my concept of God and everything from the Holy Quran which is the word God himself tells us. You may want to believe that religion has clouded my thinking But that is only a thing you 'want' to believe and not the reality as is your concept of God. | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | What happens when you hate???? Hate comes back to you. God has the wisdom to know this. The only real answer is unconditional love. God loves unconditionally. It is love to show your children just what they are doing. By allowing you total freedom of choice, you learn freely from your own selections. I can look out in the world and see the hate the cruelty the crimes. Lessons that no doubt are returning to some so that they might understand. For the rest of us, it is just a reminder of what the right choices are. God is very very smart. He is above the petty needs of man to control to rule to dominate. Man does indeed have a lot to learn.Lessons which will truly return for how can we know what the right choices are unless we realize just what it is we are doing. Now about religions, people read religious books like the bible or in your case the Quran. You can read about someone but in order to really know that being to have to put the books down and go see for yourself. I find very few willing to do this. Religious books are written by man no matter what you believe. God allows this because it is the free will of man and there are a millions lessons to be learned around religion and none of them about God. Thanks for all your comments. I hope this helps you see. | | | |
fizanali (328)
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3 years ago
| | Look there is one wrong assumption that people make i.e that I believe in the Holy Quran without proof of it's divine origin But I being a logical and scientific don't tend to believe in something blindly. I believe in the Holy Quran as being the word of God because I have lots of proof to it, it can't be man mad BUT that's another long discussion. God cannot do injustice to anyone. If a person like Hitler kills someone that God will not forgive Hitler until that person who he killed forgives him that is God's justice. If God becomes all forgiving and gives no punishment to a person who sinned then he would be doing injustice to those who did not sin. If he gives the one who rapes and the one who was raped the same heaven with no punishment then it is injustice to the one who was raped. You must have seen smugglers they lead a luxurious and wealthy life and cause misery to thousands of others and then they die in that same state, so what lesson did they learn ? When they would have hurt one person it should have come back to them and they should have stopped but NO they keep on doing till they've hurts thousands or millions and themselves lead a first class life. Q: Now what lessons are they to learn in the next life ? Q: According to you what is the next life like ? Q: What was the use of creating this mortal life ? Q: Why shouldn't or wouldn't God punish such persons ? God does not put us in Hell, we put ourselves in Hell. God created us and He created Heaven and Hell and He gave us with freedom of choice, now He did all that isn't that unconditional love ! if you choose to go to Hell then it's totally your choice. God never said that He didn't create Hell nor did He say that the sinners won't be punished. It's a lot different thinking about a situation and experiencing it. | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | The first thing you must do is look at a much bigger picture. You must see without hate and jealousy. Do you punish, torture, destroy, hate people who hurt others? Is that justice??? Or do you teach, show people just what they are doing, continue freedom of choice so when you do see, you will have wisdom along with being fixed. There are so many variables. Say there is a person who murders and gets away with it. They didn't get caught so they think it's ok. If it is goes into another life, they might have someone they love very deeply get murdered. They discover part of what it is all about. Could they ever murder again? Alot of the hurt of this world comes from lessons being learned. Free will allows people to make some very bad choices. There is justice and always consequences even when everyone thinks you got away with it. There is also hurt sometimes in teaching. There are wonderful souls out there. They are strong and loving. Would you be willing to go through great suffering so that a person might see??? Life is the education of God's children. Since so much learning takes adversity, there must be a change that starts with death. Then God shows you that it has never been about punishment for that is hate. It is about loving, learning and wisdom. If everything was heaven and roses, you would learn very little. I know you think your religious book is entirely the word of God. They all do! God is in all things so the parts about love are probably true. But man puts his little part in as well. Man can choose to be hateful,controling, Man wants fame forture glory. Man is jealous. Men also try to control and demean their women. Did you know that gender is just a parameter of this physical world? There are sooooooo many lessons to learn. No wonder it takes eternity. About your holy book of God. If God wanted people to have His book, He would guaranty everyone gets a copy. If God told me to get everyone on Earth a copy of your book,then told me how to fund the project, everyone would have a copy. God does not do this!!!!!! Ever wonder why????? God is so much more than you can find in any one book!!!!!!!THanks for your comments P.S. God has the sum of all knowledge. Let me tell you VERY VERY SMART!!!! The books of man are simple, controlling. They are not GOD!!!!!!God is actually someone!!! | | | |
fizanali (328)
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3 years ago
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bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | You say that God has no purpose or motive??? Every action God takes surely has purpose and motive. The purpose and motive of this planet was to sustain life thereby setting a stage for the motive to educate His children. You say God's actions can not be questioned. This is just man controlling your actions and thoughts. God wants you to question everything for that is the door to knowledge and discovery. God has nothing to hide. Man is the one who doesn't like questions. Heaven and Hell of religion is not feasible. If you really examine this it is clear. However there is a point after death where you see your life with all your past lives. You are the one who judges. You will judge yourself. God will show you that all the adversity has never been about punishment. It's about education. God will show you what unconditional love is. Reincarnation? How can you complete your education without more lessons? You speak of numbers of people increasing and decreasing. This is a game. God is bigger than you imagine. Infinite number of universes. Why do people not learn in one lifetime? People learn at differet rates. They are also teaching others with their actions. The interacting dynamics of billions interacting with billions along with all the possible connections,well God is very capable. We have a hard time seeing it all. We all have a very narrow view of it all!!! Everything you do in life WILL come back to you in time. Thanks for the comments | | | |
fizanali (328)
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3 years ago
| | You say I don't get the whole picture of God and this game He is playing. In fact you are being ignorant in this regard. God's actions are without purpose (plz try to grasp this concept): You said God created the earth to sustain life BUT is that a motive? God could have created anything else to sustain life then why did he create the earth only ? You may say He had to create something but that doesn't answer the 'why', we could even ask why he created life at all ! Similarly you may say he created the eyes to see BUT WHY ? why did he even want to create sight ?! You can ask so many questions like why did He give us this body form why not any other ? Why does He love us? Why does He educate us? You keep on asking and every time you will conclude that 'only God knows' i.e He does what He wants because He needs NOTHING ! After that let me say that what if someone comes and says; God only gives punishment no matter what you do ! Another person says God has made no next life and we vanish after this one ! Another may say we become angels, devils or stars after we die ! Similarly you may get many ideas BUT which one would you believe ? We have to know where the idea came from and it's authenticity. In your case : you say that man is interfering with my thought BUT what's the source of your thoughts ? Aren't you a man ! or are these thoughts divine in origin ? And still your going on assumptions that every one learns from their sins with no proof in fact proof contrary to your idea is available. You say that people learn at different rates whereas almost all (95 %) of the rapists don't learn at all ! In fact you can see people increase their number of sins rather than learning from them ! hence they are going the opposite direction to your idea e.g A person first kills one guy after few months kills two guys then after few months kills four guys ! So is he learning at a different rate (in this life) or is he not learning at all ? | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Hmmm? I thought you would walk on your own after my pointing. OK where to start. You are right God doesn't need anything but not needing something doesn't mean you can't have something like an infinite number of children to school and watch grow. You may not have children and might not need children but don't they make life better? Next, you really have to broaden your view. God is very big. His world is much more than one mere planet full of people. This physical world was made to aid in the control of the lessons we learn in life. Time,space, means at any given point in time, we are at a specific place. I know this is hard for you to understand but we are spiritual beings in our true nature. We are not confined by time and space in our true nature. Where do I get my info???? I have looked at religions. They do not fully add up. In an attempt to discover the real truth, i looked at this world around me. If God exists, it must all add up. This took time but when I figured out the basic matrix of what God is doing, I decided that if God does exist, I should be able to contact Him and not through books.I did find God. To my surprise even now, I carry a very narrow view of things. God is rubbing off on me, I think! Like everyone I am learning everyday. God likes people to figure things out. The things I have told you about unconditional love and schooling His kids are right. He has said so. It all fits so well when you see it. As far as people in a single lifetime becoming more evil and not learning and getting away with it,Does a mere 100 years define your total education? How could it? There is soooo much to learn and know. Just on this planet 100 years compared to billions. The name of the game is interaction between people. If someone commits a crime, I will do my best to see them to justice but in the end, they will be shown just what it is they are doing no matter what Earthly punishment they get. How can you learn until you see exactly what you do? Like I said. I have no concept of God. I do not have to BELIEVE. God can be found. There are few who understand enough to see and fewer who care to find God. I guess it's easier for most to follow the rules in a religion and not bother about anything else for there is a life to lead. Me, I have to go farther than that. I hope this answered most of the questions. Oh and remember, I'm doing like God. I'm not trying to get you to believe. All truth of God, science and everything is out there, I'm pointing. Who knows, you might discover!!! You can not imagine how much we do not see. It's right in front of us!! Thanks for the comments!! | | | |
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6. efc872 (613)
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3 years ago
| | Hi bird, there was once a deacon who tried to get me in his choir at church. He passed away a few years ago and should be in heaven by now. Funnily one Sunday evening he asked me what is the sweetest thing in life, not wanting to tell him what I thought I begged him to tell me what it was. He replied saying that it was sin. I then told him that since he had enjoyed himself over the years it was only fair that I was allowed to enjoy myself also. But on a serious note, sin is a requirement that religion needs. Without sin there would be no need for a place like hell and without a place like hell there would be no fear. It is this fear that religion uses to control the congregation and since God is invisible in church it is the the man on the pulpit that is in control. If you believe what he tells you, you are at his mercy and can control even what happens in your private bedroom. | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | VERY GOOD!! If religion can not find anything wrong with you then you don't need them. If you will not believe, the next step is to scare you into believing. They also tell you never to question which only keeps the truth from you. You are to convert the masses because in doing so you repeat their teachings over and over. The more a person hears something the more real it becomes whether it is true or not. So the real answer is that WE ARE ALL MEANT TO THINK!!!! GOD IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE!! HE LOVES US TO QUESTION!! GOD HAS NOTHING TO HIDE!!!!GOD LIKE ALL PARENTS WANTS US TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET! Thanks for your comments!! | | | |
ra1787 (352)
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3 years ago
| | I really agree with you bird, we are made to think and to ask questions, and to try to find our own answers. | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Thanks for the comment ra1787 | | | |
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7. shummy (1636)
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3 years ago
| | God didn't screw up bird.And neither do we.God created sinners because it was essential.You might have learnt in your science class there has to be positive for every negative and vice versa in Universe.Thats what exactly god did to balance the universe.And I really don't feel bad committing sins.That is because when I do a lot of good things then I feel it is my right to commit a small enough sin.Kind of weird but weird I am... :P | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Like I said your consequences from your choices will teach you. Thanks for the comments | | | |
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8. ra1787 (352)
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3 years ago
| | I don't have a religion but i believe in some kind of higher power, my personal belief is that god is something collateral to life or viceversa, god is the linkage of every living being, and life is the expression of god. So we are not perfect, but we are free! we are free to choose our path, but whatever path we choose we are anyway all under the same sky, part of the same world. And god will love us unconditionally even if we chose the wrong path. Anyway if i have to imagine the creation of mankind (even tough i don't believe in creation) i think that without sin there would be no free will, without free will we are just machines, so creation would be meaningless if we didn't have free will. We are human and as human beings we are not perfect, we are made to make the wrong choices and learn from our errors, trying to improve ourself regardless of what is after death. I personally believe that after we die we stop existing individually and we all become part of everything, regardless of our action, but being part of everything we will sense the effects of what we have done in life, since our action affect our world. We have to live a good and rightful life, but we don't havo to do it for fear of god, but because it is right to do so. Even if i happen to know that there is no god and no spiritual entity i would live my life in the same way. Maybe this post is a little long but i had to contestualize my answer | | | | | | |
| arleena (8)
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3 years ago
| | hey friend whats up am here to help you ok my email is (wickedlove_14@hotmail.com. Hey i am a christian and am here to help u spontanusly u know that there's a god who is in heaven waiting for u u know god has a big plan for u u know if there was no god would u still be waking up every morning? As u can see god is a kind and gentle young man he gave up his life just for us took 32 strips just for us as u know god is a powerful god and he can't do anything for u u just have to believe that his name is the most high and he stand for everything in this world can't u believe it he made this earth the tree's the bird singing everyday the sky the ocean everything wow u should be happy he did all that for us he made clothing thing to eat just for us u know wow make sure u add me so we can't only talk about god gifts and everything he did for us ok hope u have an enjoyable day 2morrow please the lord | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, there is a God. He is very very smart. Believing has never been important to God so never worry about that. God is unconditional love. God loves all His children. Don't worry about death. We are all eternal. Death is no more than a change. Thanks for all the comments P.S. God did create the universe. To much surprize, evolution is a part of it all but the story is much more complex. There is much more to learn. | | | |
ra1787 (352)
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3 years ago
| | Thank you for your comment but i have no plan on becoming christian, i have my belief and you have yours, i do think that all the paths lead to the same end, everyone has to follow his. I know that evolution can be seen as the will of god, and probably it is, what i think is that god and life are aspect of the same thing, so it is not god that created life, god would mean nothing without life, at least in my opinion. So even when life was just bacteria god already existed and in a sort of way it was life itself that decided the path of evolution, and as i said i believe that god is the linkage of all living beings. Just to be clear i am absolutely not trying to convince anyone that i am right, i just find the discussion stimulating :D | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | All paths do end up the same. The choice for your path is always yours. If and when you ever are ready, God can be found. It is not a requirement in school. As far as creation, there is knowledge far vast from ours. We are mere ants. The creation of the universe was designed to unfold as it continues to do. One day we will all understand. Good discussion | | | |
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| 9. arleena (8)
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3 years ago
| | Well to my point everybody does sin right but if u sin for the spit and u continue to sin god will get fed up but he will forgive u still and when judgment day comes u will judge for every idleness u did and every idle word that came out from your mouth. so my friend try to keep away from sin and keep and doing what god wants u to do for him for u know god is a jealous god so u know my friend don't do anything like in putting relationship infront of god because he will take something from u u loves the most so keep and praising his name never give up on him cause he loves u alot and he will never fail u ok and god is a loving and caring god for he loves us and he will never leave us ok my friend (BIRD) hope u have a good day 2morrow | | | | | | |
| arleena (8)
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3 years ago
| | My fiend am back again Do u know a SMALL sin is a BIG sin too hope u know that | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | How little you really understand God. Is God wrathful, jealous, judgemental, condemning?? Think now!!!!! Doesn't that really describe MAN???? Why would God even need to judge you? Everything you do will come back to you in time. When you see what you are really doing and what it means, you will make the right choices. After all, it is the only intelligent thing to do. Even if you are stubborn, all you get is different parameters and more lessons. God loves all His children unconditionally. Kiddies will be schooled in wisdom as well. Thanks for the comments. | | | |
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10. freethinkingagent (1056)
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3 years ago
| | Why is there sin? Is it a screw up? No it is a perfect teaching tool just like you said. How many times will I stick my hand in a fire before I learn it only hurts me? Free will, only with free will can we learn as a race that there are consequences to our actions, but we are a mad insane race, we keep doing the same things expecting different results. It will take a near extinction to shake us up out of our coma, all religions basically teach the same things, but still we haven't learned that religions draw megalomaniacs to them, and the more maniacal they are the further up in the power echelons they rise until they are place over us and teach us hate. Only man sets a trap, bates it and then walks into it. | | | | | | |
bird123 (3485)
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3 years ago
| | One classroom with many levels. We are all meant to teach as well. You also need someone who needs to learn around you in order to teach them. Yes, man is a stubborn lot. We sometimes need the same lessons over again. Worry not. We have eternity. So it does seem like this world needs you. The dynamics of all the interactions are amazing. Don't forget the large dose of unconditional love as you teach. Thanks for the comments. | | | |
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