Isn't is a crime to withhold information from Congress?

United States
July 12, 2009 7:37pm CST
It was released this weekend that D!ck Cheney told the CIA not to inform Congress of a secret counterterrorism program for almost 8 years. The program was stopped right away, and congress was informed last week of this. Do you think there should be an investigation into this, and if Cheney did break they law, should he be punished for it?
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Jul 09
BIg sticky tangled area of law we're talking about. If asked under oath, and lied about under oath, it is considered purgery, possibly contempt of congress. I am still looking in to this myself, I was going to start a thread about it but I wanted to make sure I had all the facts. It is still up in the air right now though, a lot of "he said/she said". If it is in fact the case, than all involved should be investigated, it is a pretty big deal in fact.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
X, I am not certain if this is against the law or not, but if it isn't then the law should be changed. This programs screams of Iran Contra, and this is be much harder to correct because any investigation of the Bush administration will be considered to be Bush bashing. But, the law is the law, and no one is above it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Jul 09
Isn't it interesting the Congress wants to investigate Cheney and the CIA but refuses to put Pelosi on trial for her blatant lies about what the CIA briefed her. btw, I don't mean this to say that Cheney shouldn't be investigated, let the chips fall where they may on that. I just find it telling that the same people that are abusing their power to protect Pelosi from her crimes are biting at the bit to punish others.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
Para, some have said that this proves that Pelosi was correct about the CIA, I don't know if this is true or not, but I wouldn't oppose an investigation of this as well. But, like I put in a post awhile ago, there are republicans that have said that they weren't breifed on the same programs that Pelosi is saying she wasn't, so I think there should be an investigation into this. With so many republicans crying about the POSSIBILITY of the Obama administration taking their rights away, you would think people like you Ted, would want to investigate ANY attempt at taking your constitutional rights away from you.
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• United States
14 Jul 09
It seems like from what I've been reading on myLot is that some one somewhere FU******** up and now they are just covering that AS****** Anyways, I think that information regardless of how it is put out there should be investigated to find out who the guilty party is. 4 years down the road when Hillary Clinton will run again for president there will be questions asked too about everything that she did while Obama is in office and The democrats will be doing the same thing the Republicans are in covering there As**** so no one person is to blame or at fault. Every administration regardless of Democrat or replubican party has done stuff to cover themselves so it looks like just a mistake that was over looked by someone. They don't blame just one person because then it could come back that they had something to do with it because they were the ones placing blame.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jul 09
Absolutely there should be an investigation into this and other things the previous Administration, the D1ck Cheney in particular, may have done illegally. I've come to the conclusion that there were more laws broken than even I ever imagined the past 8 years and I've also concluded that President Bush wasn't nearly as much at fault as Cheney was. I'm sorry it took me so long to find this discussion! Annie
@lampar (7584)
• United States
13 Jul 09
Some congressional leaders claimed it is no big deal that congress was not informed of the massive secret surveillance wiretapping of Americans people, it is part of the job of the president and vice president after terrorist attacked. CIA remain in denial of such a program ever existed, saying it is just an 'on' and 'off' operation they are ordered to undertake by the executive, it has never ever became CIA policy to illegally wiretap any one in the country , so no need to inform congress about it. An investigation into whether constitutional rights of the people had been violated or not and whether law had been broken should go ahead by congress oversight committee or justice department, if not , the check and balance mechanism in placed between different branches of government dictated by constitution will be useless when congress is side stepped by executives.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
Lampar, you are correct that this sounds like an end around the constitution, and it needs to be investigated. I am sure the reason they are saying that this was an on and off again program is because the people in charge of this are afraid that they will be charge with a crime. Everyone knows that in a situation like this there is always an Oliver North who will have to go to jail to make sure that other people more important don't. But, this time that person may have to stay in jail for along time, Obama could be in office for 8 more years, and that is alot of time to spend in jail for someone else.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
14 Jul 09
Debater, i am sure majority of Americans will like to see how this massive illegal massive wiretapping program issue going to turn up in the future, whether the intrusion of privacy rights had been committed or the program is still in continuity, what are the data that had been collected and stored, who in the executive branch had access to them. It is still unclear whether congress has enough clouts to kick start a hearing or not , let alone can order an investigation due to the nature of partisan divide. Based on statements of some interviews of senators, not all of them regarded this secret program in violation of our constitutional rights and also many in USA consider this program had long existed before even Bush n Cheney are in office, according to the skeptics of government here. I guess we just have to wait n see the actions high ranking congressional leaders willing to take in week ahead in confronting this over expansion of executive power in time of war, see whether certain lines need to be drawn in curbing executive branch's authority in the constitution.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
i think that maybe there should be an investigation into it and then if it was found that laws were broken then he be punished as law permitted him to be. i also think however though that if this program was helping the country why stop it? If it had been going on the entire bush administration what was really happening as to why they shut it down. Usually from my understanding something is only shut down if its not working or if something illegal is going on inside the program or organization. I've been watching too many csi stories and NCIS but I also have investigated some and think that it might be better if they do investigate but at the same time the judge looking at the investigation should be careful at what is revealed because it could be vital to our counter terrorism efforts.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
From what I have read, the director of the CIA shut it down right away, so he knew something was wrong. At some point in time money had to funneled to this program, and that money came from somewhere that it shouldn't have so at the very least this is a misaproperation of funds which is illegal. From what we have been told this program was not fully operationsal, and it was an off and on program. So shutting it down isn't going to hurt anything, and keeping it going could voilate the constitution.
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• United States
13 Jul 09
If its in violation of the constitution then it should be looked at. Whose to blame for it I would say would be something to be discussed. Because it sounds like to me that Cheney wasn't the only one in the know.
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