Why should I believe in a god?

Well I have to kind of agree with what you say, even though we obviously disagree on the actual point at hand.

So true! I've studied the whole topic and found many compelling trhings, evidences and proofs against man's current lifeless theory.. but who ever believes me when I go into them? The biggest thing I have found is a question - is life an accident and ultimate reality is death/noinlife? As man believes. Or is death/nonlife the mishap and ultimate reality is Life?

Interesting.

I see it like life just happens to have happened, but that is beautiful. That all of this came out of almost nothing is so amazing to me.

I think you are probably right that it brings a sense of well-being to many people. But I consider there to be a difference between reasons that belief is appealing versus what could actually convince me. If that makes any sense... it's kind of hard to word that.

Perhaps it's much about events that has shaped how each of us feel.

For some people, the "agent for personal balance" is faith.
Perhaps for others, personal balance may come naturally even without faith.

Cheers

Ah yes- and faith is just what I am lacking. I like everything to be explained, and with evidence. But for me there is nothing lacking in my life to not have it.

wonerful! haha

oops- typo. wonderful

Thankyou

God is powerful that's my belief God knows on how he helps man for his Needs.

I guess that just isn't convincing enough for me personally.

Me neither

Nah, I've heard all those arguments before and I don't buy it.
I strongly believe "man created god in his own image". We are the creator here.
And that the idea of faith being comforting does not make it true.

I think religion is too destructive to be worth a little warm fuzzy feeling for people, to be honest. If religion can give you this, other things in life could, too.

Me either!

A reason not to? Because there is simply no evidence to the contrary.

This reminds me of a Hitchens quote that goes something like "That which is asserted without evidence may be refuted without evidence." I like how that's put.

Yes I know Hitchens, God also created him but he is not aware of this, when I look at his eyes I can see the hatred there and I feel sorry for him. He says God is not great, but God is Love and love is the greatest thing, love will save the planet..
Have a lovely day:-)

He is not hateful- I think you misunderstand his position. I admire him greatly. He is a brilliant and well-spoken man.

@brownyg It is not up to Atheists to prove that your God or anyone else's doesn't exist - it is inappropriate for you to ask this and impossible to prove a negative!

We don't have to prove God doesn't exist, religious people have the job of (attempting) to prove that God does exist because you're the ones who say it is so.

It's like me asking you to prove that dogs cannot speak. We all KNOW dogs can't speak, but how can you prove that without first analysing every single dog in the world and PROVING that you have done so?

Oh My God!!!

Nah I don't think the scientists do- I mean not professionally anyway. And if I think of political and social implications of belief, I do think there is harm in believing. Of course, many people would disagree with me, though, so I don't push that opinion.:)

Oh and by the way, if God does not exist, then why is all the unbelievers so intent on fighting him, I mean how can a non-existent God to anything so dangerous that they go and slander his name? What does it prove to discredit the fact that God exists? An illusion that has enormous power such as that, Wow that is Power that an atheist can still believe in something. Are they talking to the wind? Or are they just as crazy as they say we are?

I don't really find any of that convincing. I mean you made some nice-sounding metaphors, but nothing that actually proves something. The rest is anecdotal, or stories from within the bible itself. You can't use the bible to prove that the bible is true, I mean.

To answer your question in the second comment- I actually do think that religious faith (not only Christian) does have a lot of bad implications. Of course, good is done in the name of faith as well, but I think that people would still do good things for one another in the absence of religion. I think there is often a lot of greed and corruption in organized religions. I think that faith often gets in the way of progress- both scientific and social. I also object to it just because it isn't true.

Hope it didn't seem like I was being critical or argumentative there- just wanted to answer your question!

OK then, I'll put it another way. We'll use a chicken as our core proof of a creator, The chicken........very simple form of life, which came first, the egg or the chicken? Well if there was a big bang, then I don't think it would have made the trip out in space, and the chicken certainly didn't fly here. The egg can only be produced inside a chicken, and a chicken can only be produced from inside an egg. The chicken coming from a creator would be the only other answer. It just came to be, and that is truth. The same goes for humans, the Bible explains the existence of the creator, and gives the explicit direction how he arranged the events, and in those times could not possibly be reasoned out. This world was created in 6 days and as the bible explains that a day is like a year, and a year is like a day, So each event took 1year to put into a working order, just as it takes time to establish a salt water aquarium to be able to maintain certain fish and plants. Even with all our knowledge we can't produce simple life from just enzymes and amoeba and chemicals of life. So how could life come to be, without extreme complex circumstances, that can't just be thrown together, let alone arrive to be a living organism, this can not be done by logic, or science, but when we die, and become like God in his form, of energy or time warp he lives in will we understand the universe and all creation. That is why no-one can see him in his form, so he made a son from the womb of a virgin. He is here in quadrillion's of energy bits that can not be picked up in our time/space. Remember that a creator that can produce all the energy of the universe has to be even greater then the whole universe times the speed of light times the amount of matter it would take to create it all. This is so far above our brain power, that we can never be that advanced, because we can not be larger then the creator. All his power and energy seen by a mere human would destroy mans atomic structure, that there would be no trace of human existence. This is my scientific explanation. It would be like, if matter came into the same space/time as each other, the two would be destroyed in a flashes so bright, it would explode the whole universe into nothing.

I didn't quite catch what point you were trying to make at the beginning, but as for the rest, I am still not persuaded. The scientific explanations in place may have gaps, but those are always getting smaller, and the fact that there are some things we don't know doesn't mean that god is the answer. It just means that we haven't found out yet.

@itsmychoice Do you understand evolution?

Or do you just ignore it?

Don't even talk eveloution, that is impossible to proove and is in worse condition to proove. Even scientists are starting to lean towards a creation, because they can't find any other proof, that is above the creation theory, all the other theorys are just scientific excuses for something that can't be explained. And the reason science can't explain away a Creator is because there are powers way above the common sense of science. Einstein even has said there is a creator, and todays science can't proove him wrong either, and thats where science theorys have begun from. I don't have to proove that there is a God to anybody, it is you that had better hope there isn't, because you could be left out, when the time comes for you to leave the world of non believers. Good luck with that.
The more they search for proof of eveloution, the more they find a creator. You know....... Intellegent life creator who put your DNA into your brain to funtion, as it does. Or maybe your not even a thought.

It's true that there is order in the universe (and the earth more specifically) but it is also true that order can arise from disorder without deliberate thought.

No, it is impossible for order to arise from disorder. It's like running a country without a government. If people cannot organize themselves without following a set of organized logic, how much more is the universe?

In physics, every physical forces have a governing law in them. All of them are organized. All can be attributed to unseen forces or energies that influence every physical material existing in this universe. Now, with regards to this energy, I believe, it has a mind of its own, cannot be influenced, and neither be created nor destroyed. The same way we are talking about God Who neither has a beginning nor an end.

It may sound counter-intuitive that order and patterns can arise from disorder, but it has been studied and documented. The government example doesn't really work because people preceded government, not vice versa.

I just see the laws as ways for us to understand and quantify things, not as any sort of thing with a mind.

Well, it's up to you.

In Science, there are two kinds of scientists, those with an open mind, and those who don't have. It looks like you read the document of those who don't have. To be honest, I have also read and researched a lot. I was once doubtful of my religion that I resort to Science. Scientists were also debating if there is really a God. And, you know what? No side could either prove or disprove God's existence. If they could provide 100% fact that there is no God, I could be an atheist by now.

There is no country without order, people have to organized everything to put up a country, thus creating laws in the process. I'll believe what you say if you could give me a country without a law. Well, even aborigines have an organized society, even lions, and other animals have one. Just imagine, what happens if there is no law and order, what kind of country would you come up? The wild west? Haven't you thought? We people have philosophy? This is also an example of an organized logic. People who don't have one are worst than animals.. and you know it. Well, even criminals have one, otherwise, they won't survive, either way, they have to follow the law of nature.

The logic, the chemical reactions, the emotions we humans elicit are all under the influence of these energies. Why? We are mere material made of molecules, made of atoms, made of quarks.. at the end, there is no material, only energy. Your very structure is influence by this energy. Just study Quantum Mechanics if you really want to know.

With regards to creation, I agree that no entity influenced it, but you can't say there is no God. Just compare it to your computer. Your computer is governed by an organized logic, otherwise, it will be full of bugs. It is similar with the universe. All material arise from this energy that can neither be created nor destroyed. It exists with no one creating it. Is it hard to believe that it is God?

As far as science's supposed inability to disprove god's existence, I'd point to the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument, which has several variations. Like, how could you 100% disprove to me that there is not a Flying Spaghetti Monster deity out in space? You can't. But I think we all accept that there isn't. Hence the burden of proof is on the believers. At least that's my opinion. I mean no one is asking for definitive proof that Zeuss or Odin aren't real, so the same should hold for the Christian-Judeo god. No need to assume it's an issue of who is open minded and who isn't, a lot of believers are not open minded at all and lots of atheists are- it's a separate issue.

I don't disagree with you that people have created order everywhere- that wasn't what I meant. I meant that hierarchy, order, laws, etc. arose after people and animals came into existence- like my point is the sequence of it. People existed before governments, for example.

I don't dispute anything about quantum mechanics and what not that you mentioned, I just don't see it as an indicator of any sort of a god.

Flying Spaghetti monsters are so different from what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to an energy that created the entire universe, became the foundation of every creation, and became the basis of any running logic. Now, if we can accept that these energies do exist, although we can't explain them, why is it impossible to believe that it is God? I mean, it existed with no one creating it.

How did the first human came into existence? Where did it came from? How come it's so organized? Can you prove that they came from chaos? Well, even Science would agree with me that it had undergone a systematic process (not a chaotic process). Look into human DNA, each of us are programmed.. it is not just random events, you inherited your parents DNA. You are what you are because of these. Going deeper into the composition of this DNA, what is it made of? Atom, subatomic particles.. in the end.. an energy.

Now, note that these energies in order to create something needs to be organized. Look into the process of how stars and planets are born. They undergo a complex process, they can't just be random. Every process has an underlying explanation. That's why I said it is impossible for order to come from disorder.

Being open-mind means that you leave more room for learning. It is a good scientific trait. If you close your mind from other possibilities, you cease to explore your world. Note that even Darwin's theory has a lot of holes in it, many scientists had already disproved some of it. The reason why science continues to improve is because of this trait.

With regards to the law of physics, it is said that energies can transform. So, the God probability is possible, although there is no scientific evidence that suggests it. I am not saying that it is true, but I'm also not saying that it isn't. This needs further scientific study, but it's possible nonetheless (Coke no sugar, it's possible. lol).

To clear things up.. note that I am not referring to any deity. I am referring to the energy around us. It acts as if it knows what to do (this is why I believe it is God). So to speak, I am simply saying that God is the universe itself. It is not actually separated.

However, it's your choice to believe what you want to believe. I only commented here because you asked "why you should believe in god?" Well, I already pointed out.

who says god do exist, come out of your box i feel that you have never tried to look out of the very input you have been given at church temple or masjid or anywhere.i dont think that you ever try to annalize or think deeply about it. but i am not amazed when i see someone believing in god because there is no other readymade way to to answer our very own existance and complexicities of being a conscious of this entire universe including our own bodily function and everything.and it is no where written what is really it.

I am out of the box, thank you. And I have dig deeper than you thought. I have analyzed everything that I had said, and I think you need to analyzed yours.

What makes you say there is no God? As far as I know, nobody can prove or disprove God's existence. What you say is only 50% fact, and it's still open for debate. Same as with mine. But, if we continue debating, neither of us could really arrive at a conclusion.

Energies do have connection to every creation in this universe. Try researching Quantum Mechanics, and see how it is related. Then again, I still do not believe that order of things could come from disorder. And for us having an intellect, I could hypothesize that the energy that created us also has one as we were formed from these. Just answer this simple question.. what are you made of? Matter? Comprise of what?

And as I have said before, God is never really separated from the universe. It is the universe itself. Even some scientists would agree with me. And by the way.. for your information, I really don't have a religion!

Well, I don't think this energy is so unexplained, and it's not such an abstract thing, I mean heat and light are energy, does that count? That seems too... simple or meaningless to be god. And science really doesn't disprove Darwin, they have just added additional information. Anyway, of course there is order now- but I don't think that means there was ever a plan to begin with, it's just what worked.

Energies can be explained but not totally. No one really knew what they are, same as with gravity. We just know they are there and learn how they work, but we never really delved deeper to understand what they are and why they exist. Same us with the chemicals that affect human emotions, and our understanding. We have to admit that our knowledge is only up to this point.

However, the order that we had now didn't came from disorder. That I'm certain. Energies have a way of organizing itself, that's an indication that it has an intellect, and it flows in every molecule that composes the cells, the tissues, until it forms an organ called the brain.. basically speaking, when we think, there is a series of energy flowing inside the brain. Nothing more than electrical discharge right? And oh by the way, why is Psychology derived from word "Psi", which means "soul", and logos, "the study of". I mean, scientists don't believe in souls do they? How utterly ironic.

Well, It's up to you. I have provided an "indication of god" already, but it's useless when you don't have an open-mind.

And oh by the way.. Darwin's theory where humans came from apes is not true.. that's the part that was disproved. Check the updates.. scientists found out that humans were actually another specie that existed together with some of these prehistoric creatures that became extinct.

Darwin's theory has always been a topic of debate.. it's not totally accepted by science, it only belongs to probable fact, meaning it may be true or not. I don't understand why you guys would easily accept it and jump to conclusions. I mean, it's not so scientific.. Many tests have to be ran in order to conclude it, and we haven't dig enough evidence at this point, so why take it so seriously?

The fact that we don't know absolutely everything about everything yet doesn't mean there is something unexplainable. I mean, we didn't used to know about basic physics, but now we do. That doesn't mean basic physics wasn't always true. This sounds like the "god the gaps" argument to me.

I would disagree that energy necessarily has a tendency to organize itself, and also that any such phenomenon would indicate intellect. That's the most obvious, intuitive explanation but not necessarily the right one.

I also don't think word roots prove anything. I don't believe in souls (and I am not a scientist) but you can't generalize that scientists don't (which is much broader than psychologists anyway). Some scientists do believe in god or souls. But being a scientist doesn't mean all your opinions about your life are right. It means that the science you do in your work is probably right (or at least valid). But in any case, lots of words have roots in totally unexpected things. It's just how languages go, I suppose.

Darwin's theory is only disputed because of what it means socially or because the religious don't like what it has to say. You really will not find REAL, peer-reviewed, credible science denying the theory of evolution. There are still details being worked out and perhaps disputes over more subtle aspects of how it works, but the basic model is absolutely not in question. And I'm not sure what you were saying about the ape thing? Cause if you are referring to modern apes, like gorillas and orangutans, etc. then that was never my impression that we evolved from them, nor is that what science says (you can't have evolved in the same place from something that is still there). But we did evolve from other species which are in the ape category (which we are as well, anway).

I believe in some of Darwin's theory, but I don't entirely believe in it. The fact that it can't also totally explain and prove anything doesn't make it 100% fact.

And also, the "god the gap" thing is also not entirely wrong. In my point of view, it still holds a strong possibility. But then again, both sides (god believers and non-god believers) could not provide an evidence to prove or disprove either sides' beliefs. Furthermore, having an open-mind doesn't really mean that we had to be bias.

Only time would tell which one of us is right. And I do respect if that's what you believe.

I actually am pretty impressed at how much evolution explains. I can't think of anything under that topic that I don't consider to explain. I think it's an elegant and powerful model.

I guess my thing about the "god of the gaps" thing is that given that there is a lack of information (so far), there is no reason to assume that there IS a god- like lack of definitive proof against one isn't reason to believe (although I guess I do consider there to be that anyway, IMO). That was awkwardly worded, but hopefully it made sense.

I know Darwin's theory of Evolution and his concept of natural selection, but as much as I would like to admit that the "god the gap theory" is lacking information, I also found Darwin's theory lacking an essential info. It is only base on what has been found so far.. but, the thing is, it has not discovered "everything" yet, and it is still subject to changes.. ie. a new discovery might disprove it or change the whole thing.. remember, the man from ape part has already been argued.. I believe there's more. What was left of the unknown still points to uncertainty, so to say, Darwin's theory is only a one man (one scientist) concept supported by other people. It is not the absolute truth.

Like any other theory.. it must undergo scientific procedures and a lot of debates in order to be conclusive.. and sadly, it has not entirely pass all of the hurdles. If you check carefully.. there are still gaps within it.. still waiting to be discovered.. so I can't rely on something that is still inconclusive.. gotta look on other possible theories. The "god the gap" argument is one of the possible theories. (although, at its very early stages)

Well, I am not the only one who thinks this way. I got this idea from my favorite scientist who is non other Albert Einstein. He also believes that the universe isn't random. He calls the universe "God" and like him, an inner voice tells me that God doesn't roll dice, and I believe on this.. you know why? Because the universe is so perfect. And just basing it on how a computer works.. I cannot make a program just by messing with the codes and create a perfect program just by chance.

Albert's belief is not actually conflicting with Darwin's theory. The order of energies had created a universe, natural selection could be a part of its designed program. Man could have evolved.. but not from a chaotic process.. it was programmed. However, if you can find me at least one creation that undergone a chaotic procedure, I might as well change my belief.

Quantum Mechanics, the exploration of Space has yielded some substantial info that could possibly be the missing link to the unresolved arguments.. Scientists had already found a "Cold spot in outer space", possibly be the center of the universe. They already theorize anti-matter, parallel universe, and more. Like Darwin's theory, Quantum Mechanics is also expanding and working to find out the truth. And by the way.. you should know that Science is always never absolute. It is always subject to changes. It never closes its door on any possible facts, unlike religion. So, you may wonder why there are scientists who believe, and scientists who do not believe in God.

By the way.. what is God? Don't get me wrong.. I don't believe in a god who interferes with man's decision. I believe in a God Who is neutral. And although I sound like a theist, I am actually not. I don't use religion to deal with facts.