Partial birth abortion, euthenasia, R U really ready for the New Healthcare?

Wow Spalladino. Are you taking deflection tips from President Obama? "I don't know the whole story, but I know who is wrong". Sounds strangely familiar to what Obama had to say about the Professor Gates incident.

The video is Obama and his own words. I guess if they show it on youtube, it's not real even if he said it.

The point is that what Obama has stood for in the past, steadfastly, will most likely be what he stands for into the future. He has told us over and over what he believes in, and when we mention it now as something that concerns us, we are told he didn't really mean it.

I admit I haven't read it. But these are serious videos, one by a professional who has concerns, not some guy in his garage ranting and raving. The one on Euthanasia is excerpts from (Obama's science czar) John Holdren's book. It seemed logical to me that if this man was asked to advise the president, this is the advice he would give. And this would be the 'programs' we are put under.

What concerns me is the rush rush to get this thing passed, and very little main stream reporting on the nuts and bolts of it. Very little time, means very little actual discussion and thought going into it. I know from experience when someone rushes you with a decision, they often have ulterior motives. (someone tell me the # of the bill as I haven't even see that! published) Heck, I even read somewhere that Congress hadn't read the whole thing before they recessed for the summer break. Yet, fearless leader wants it passed before adequate time to debate and consider the ramifications of it all on American society.

Don't worry spalladino, when someone sends me the link to it, I WILL read it. And I guarantee you, I will be here remarking on it.

Here debra:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200

Click on the word "text" to read the version on Library of Congress website.

And, no, hussy, I'm not taking tips from Obama. I don't depend on youtube videos when there is factual information out there that I can read.

Here is an excerpt from some people that can read as well, and have the ability to understand what they read... which is something you evidently lack... especially since you admit you have not read the billl, so you obviously do not know what you are even talking about.

These people have actually read and analyzed what the bill contains....

"The Liberty Counsel analysis said under Section 1308, the government will dictate marriage and family therapy as well as mental health services, including the definitions of those treatments, and under Section 1401, a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research would be set up, creating a bureaucracy through which federal employees could determine whether any treatment is "comparatively effective" for any individual based on the cost, likely success and probably the years left in life.

It also, according to Staver, "covers abortions, transsexual surgeries, encourages counseling as to how many children you should have, whether you should increase the interval between children."

"The plan would allow, in Section 1401, for the collection of information about individuals' health records, both "published and unpublished," and recommend policies for public access to data.

The Liberty Counsel analysis also pointed out the government would be allowed to ration health care procedures, prevent "judicial review" of its decision, tell doctors what income they can have, impose new taxes for anyone not having an "acceptable" coverage, regulate whether seniors can have wheelchairs, penalize hospitals or doctors whose patients require "readmission," prevent the expansion of hospitals and set up procedures for home visits by health care analysts.

Under Section 440, Liberty Counsel said, the government "will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families that expect children." And Section 194 provides for a program that has the government "coming into your house and teaching/telling you how to parent,"

Here is the link...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106119

I can read...and I can comprehend what I read....I just didn't have TIME to read it. No need to get insulting is there?

Thanks for the link....spalladino. I vill be bach! lol

Whoa....clicked on the link to the bill and got a warning that it was so large a file it could freeze up my browser! BUT...there was an option to go read it elsewhere. My thoughts are THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY BEING WORKED ON FOR A LONG TIME..AND NOT JUST SINCE OBAMA TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE. It's huge! no wonder congress isn't reading it all....and I still say... it's dangerous to pass this monster without debate and arguements....not something this importanat.


NOw, I went to Destiny's link too...I didn't know the White House wanted us to start snitching on each other? It reports on the President asking people to forward 'fishy' emails you get concerning this bill and what it has in it...to the white house? Oh mY my my! Now if that don't sound real dangerous...and ominous...YOU ALL DO HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!

Im watching the US Senate right now on CSPAN2 and one of the senators just commented on getting bills they have no time to read!

"Bills come through here late and night and no ones done any research on its constitutionality"

Rush rush rush....hurry hurry hurry...WHY?

Umm...Destiny? I know you've read and are able to comprehend what you've just posted a lot better than the rest of us peons. Do you STILL support this bill? Or do you not get it and just won't admit it?

@coolcoder...hhhmmm, destiny does NOT support the bill.

Kudo's Rollo!

National Guard recruiting for guards? Wow...will have to check that one out! Thanks for the heads up!

Yep, monster.com is running an ad for the Army National Guard for resettlement/internment guards.

The president is asking the American people to snitch on each other...it's illegal to have bad thoughts about certian types of folks....what next guys...where's the two minute hate...? Is that NEXT?

Go read George Orwell's '1984' if you haven't a clue as to what I mean. Then come back and tell me it's all a bad dream.

I read that one in high school... as well as Brave New World, Mein Kampf(sp?), and the Communist Manifesto.... as well as several others.

I found them all very informative and equally unappealing.

RESETTLEMENT/INTERNMENT GUARDS...did you read that...INTERNMENT! That is what the ad says..and ad looking for Army National Guard recruits.

Yep... I saw that.

Internment camp s a phrase that tends to grab my undivided attention... especially since Homeland Security has decided that people who disagree with the government are to be considered low level domestic terrorists.

That would include most everyone on my friends list here as well as myself.

As a veteran and a patriot I take great exception to a label like that.

The last internment camp that I am aware of was during WW2 when a bunch of Americans were locked up simply because they were of Japanese origin.

Exactly...my daughter (who voted for Obama btw) said after I related to her about the monster.com ad...'they're going to come take you away in the middle of the night, mom'.

I see what you're saying...but really the issues presented here are very closely related. They cover complete control from cradle to grave...even pre-cradle if you think about population control. These are not things I found in the healthcare bill...but in the writings of the science czar John Holdren...a person who advocates forced abortions, forced sterilazation, and even the killing of two year olds as acceptable.

We need to quit thinking that this kind of crap just can't happen in America. Cause it IS happening....

White House asked regular citizens to forward any fishy emails you may receive on this healthcare bill and what it contains...to the president! He has us reporting ON EACH OTHER! Now what?

I'm going to use this space right here! to defend my use of YouTube videos. I work evenings when most of the speeches and debates are on. The link I provided is one of the president himself....since when does it help to make snide remarks and insult one another about reading ability?


I try real hard to be respectful...and that is a difficult task for me. Ask Dawn, she knows me pretty well...BUT I SHOW RESPECT no matter how much I want to be snippy and insulting ...I think I have a right to expect it in return.