Do Conservatives have Amnesia?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
September 21, 2009 7:37pm CST
I have heard a lot of angry conservatives talking about the good old days. You know, before Barack Obama was elected president. When our economy was soaring, we didn't owe anyone a dime, and we had a president that would never dream of doing anything that the constitution didn't allow. The only question I have for conservatives is: Can you please tell me what year the good old days took place?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Sep 09
Please show me any examples of Conservatives saying any of this crap. Yes, conservatives supported Bush through a lot of stuff, but we also called him to task for No Child Left Behind, The Patriot Act (although admittedly many of us got caught up in the post 9/11 frenzy when it did get passed...) but most of us came to our senses later. In fact, some of us have written articles saying that Bush could have been impeached for it. His signing statement showed that he knew it was unconstitutional, but he signed it hoping the Supreme Court would strike it down. Pelosi and Reid had their change, but their laziness got the best of them.
We also called him and both the Republican and Democrat controlled congress to task for the wasteful spending. We called for audits and investigations of fraud and waste with the Hurricane Katrina funding and even spending for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bush deserves support for a lot of things, but he didn't live up to his Conservative rhetoric.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
23 Sep 09
Ted don't you remember the Social Security "Lock Box"? What about PayGo? How about all of the spending that republicans did when they controlled the entire government from 2004 - 2006? When Reagan ran up record deficits, and national debt conservatives laughed and said look at the economy. When Clinton paid down the debt, and created a surplus republicans said that deficits didn't matter. When Bush Jr. created record deficits, and national debt the head of the conservatitve movement (D!ck Cheney) said "Reagan proved that deficits didn't matter". So why all of the sudden to republicans care about deficits, and national debt? Could it be the fact that they couldn't win an election if they change their party name (libertarian, conservative, constitutionalist)?
I don't remember one person ever saying anything bad about No child, or the patriot act. I can tell you right now that I was called UNAMERICAN many times by those republicans that you say called Bush out on this. I also have never heard one republican talk about impeaching Bush, and I was called UNAMERICAN when I said this. I wish I knew the people you are talking about, because they sound like I was back then, but I can tell you right now I never heard ONE republican say anything you are saying now.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
24 Sep 09
The "Lock Box" was a buzzword of Al Gore, or don't you remember? PAYGO has been a "promise" from both sides, but neither has shown any interest in actually doing it.. including Obama.
Bush and Cheney were never Conservatives, they are Republicans (which aren't the same thing). Yes, deficits can be a good thing if they are used to expand the economy. No one can deny the deficit spending during the Reagan administration (along with the Congress at the time) was beneficial to the economy... it ushered in the longest period of growth in our history.
Clinton was just a lying pervert who claimed to "balance the budget", but all he really did was put what he didn't want counted in "off budget spending" and throw massive unfunded mandates to the states.
I already said that Bush and both the Dem and Rep controlled Congress were fiscal disapointments. The fraud and waste that Congress used Hurricane Katrina as an excuse for was downright criminal.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
24 Sep 09
"The "Lock Box" was a buzzword of Al Gore, or don't you remember?"
The "Lock Box" was only a buzzword because Gore won the election, but lost. If Gore was elected and actually didn't touch the SS surplus then we wouldn't be where we are today when it comes to SS.
"PAYGO has been a "promise" from both sides, but neither has shown any interest in actually doing it.. including Obama."
Paygo actually was used, and was part of the reason we had a balanced budget.
"Bush and Cheney were never Conservatives, they are Republicans (which aren't the same thing)."
So that was another Bush lie then? Don't you remember "compassionate conservative"? Why didn't conservatives call him out on it, and why did conservatives vote for him in 2004? I don't understand why it is that conservatives act like they didn't like the guy, but put him in office. Please explain this to me.
"Yes, deficits can be a good thing if they are used to expand the economy. No one can deny the deficit spending during the Reagan administration (along with the Congress at the time) was beneficial to the economy... it ushered in the longest period of growth in our history."
What time frame are you talking about? There was no growth during the Bush Sr. years, so I am confused. Clinton's economy experienced the longest period of growth in history, but that was not because of Reagan, that was because of Clinton.
"Clinton was just a lying pervert who claimed to "balance the budget", but all he really did was put what he didn't want counted in "off budget spending" and throw massive unfunded mandates to the states."
Explain that to the GAO. I think they know more about our economy than you and me combined, and that is what they said.
"I already said that Bush and both the Dem and Rep controlled Congress were fiscal disapointments. The fraud and waste that Congress used Hurricane Katrina as an excuse for was downright criminal."
I agree, but you also have to include the Iraq war, and bail outs that Bush told us we had to have. Both of those resulted in huge amounts of waste, and hundreds of billions in bribes, and pay offs.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
3 Oct 09
They either have amnesia or they're VERY delusional, or possibly a combination of both! I guess another option could be that you and I and others like us were in a coma, possibly induced by the aliens that abducted us, for the last 8 years and now our memories have somehow been altered. Surely all these people on the RIGHT couldn't be WRONG, could they...lol?
Annie
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Oct 09
It's hard to say which one it is, but I agree with you.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Both parties are corrupt. Most men who acheive the presidency have done so because they are corrupt or were corrupted once in office. It has always been a choice between the lesser of two evils. Not one in my lifetime...has totally kept his oath of office. Can we ever expect a totally honest man in the Oval Office? probably not. It is what it is, a balancing act. Especially when you have three hundred million people all wanting a handout or a special interest tended to. Add to that the push for a global agenda....and the two party system is passe' and talking about who is more evil is stupidity. And just what those who are pushing for this 'global agenda' want. Come on guys...I know you understand the divide and conquer tactic.
The difference between ME a conservative, and YOU (emphesis added to show I am meaning literally, you and I) is that I am for conserving the Constitutional Republic and you, well... if you support Obama....are NOT.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Deb, apparently you didn't do a very good job in "conserving the Constiutional Republic" the last 8 years. You stood by and allowed Bush to walk all over the constititution, and NOW you want to protect the constitution? We have a word for up here, it is HYPOCRATE. The point I am making with my post is that republicans are upset because of everything Obama is doing, yet Bush did the same, and worse, and they elected him TWICE. If someone has proven that they don't have the ability to make a good decision, would you listen them? This is why I ignor most of those republicans/conservatives what ever you people want to be known as, when they complain about bailouts, and destroying the constitution.
If you are upset about the current government, but elected the the former TWICE, then what does that make you?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Deb, I didn't support it when Bush did, and I don't support it when Obama does it. I don't think the patriot act should have ever been passed, and Obama shouldn't have extented it. What ever good it may have accomplished, it has open the door for much worse things to happen. I don't blindly support Obama, and I have said that he isn't perfect, and there are things that he has done that I don't agree with. But, all in all, I think I made the right decision in voting for him. I just couldn't imagine what would have happened if we would have voted McCain into office.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Wow...I went to such great lengths to clarify my opinion.
The difference between ME a conservative, and YOU (emphesis added to show I am meaning literally, you and I) is that I am for conserving the Constitutional Republic and you, well... if you support Obama....are NOT.
And also even posted a link below that DOES NOT SUPPORT BUSH
I guess I will have to come out and admit I did not vote for Bush.
Now....as for Bush and the damage he did to the Republic and the Constitution....in this case it is fair to say. If you don't like what he did, why are you supporting MORE OF THE SAME, just cause a democratic president is doing it?

@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Do you sincerely believe that Obama is any different than Bush?
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/obama-will-bypass-congress-to-detain-suspects-indefinitely/




