What would you do if you discovered an illegal immigrant in your basement?  

Hi manong, an interesting approach to an alien in your basement. So a breaking in intruder presumably with suspicious intentions to steal whatever you keep in the basement would be reported to the police but an illegal immigrant would be treated with tolerance and food. If this discussion attracts the political brigade over it will be good to be able to refer them to your box for a think.

Hi Mr Misterwit sweetie, here we go, eveyones suddenly going to think it's aimed a at them, it is aimed at the politial discussion interested parties.
Now if you proclaim you are from a third world country why would you want to emigrate to another one, well certainly we are as far as most of Europe is concerned

Any Eurpropean may move between coutnries in Europe, but if an Anerican were to to it without the necessary visa he would be deported as an alien, as indeed so would you, but I's sure that a Maldavian would be granted a generous visa whilst you are here looking for your widow. How many trees and goats must she have to meet your requirements? so I can be looking out for one for you. Is your limit 60 or would you be prepared to go as high as 80?

The old the better....try to find some on deathbed so I will inherit the land with in no time...

Not a chance of that Mr Misterwit if you were after the land, the children would have you thrown out without a second glance.

Now if you just require an old widow to make you legal I can sort that for you but don't expect a share of anything, they'll even be fighting over the donkey.

I guess my dream will never come true...... what a world we are living in......I don't know why these guys categorized one world into three worlds...I wonder what these head of states are up to...they should not have come up with the world map...only after the map people came to know of other countries...and problems started arising....

Wrong mr Misterwit I'm afraid, before the map they just made trouble between neigbouring tribesm, factions, clans, families......

Wrong thea...it's the map...throw away your geography book...that is the old version try to get the new version...revised version 14/10/2009...

I'm afraid the map stays Mr Misterwit and you may be the only one with the new version. Borders are drawn and may be changed but landmases rarely are.

Don,t be frightened it's only a world map...I am not talking about a map of some hidden treasures in the Egyptian pyramids...

Hi shahrus, so you are taking the American approach I see, most excellent. It does rather sound as though you're expecting to find a married couple lurking in your basement as your job requirements are very high. I think you'll need to rule out the English literacy, otherwise they might get ideas from the news that they have rights, and possibly best to keep them hidden from certain guests in case they expct a bribe from you to keep quiet about your illegal. I hope you're willing to accept just one of the cooking styles and not expect all of them, but if he does offer all of them it is an indication that he is already used to the deportation system.

A married couple wouldn't be too bad.

An entire brood would be even better!

That way, you can... ummm... talk pleasantly about guarantees!

Convince them that only one should leave the house at a time (like going shopping), to minimize the chances of all being caught.

After all, what family likes to be separated!?

And I do form such intense attachments!

(see previous post about my inherently loving and compassionate nature)

I must hand it to you for coming up with great ideas!

You're the best!

Now, excuse me while I run up to my attic to check! Who knows? Christmas may come early to this non-Christian household of mine!

Why Sharus what lovely words, thanks. So glad I've hit the right note with responses before the political brigade land, if they are brave enough.

A family might be too much, being such an altruistic type you'd have to provide education and their freinds might wonder why you insist in locking them up in the attic overnight. I see your point about looking to the future but you could be looking a bit too far and may be bordering on actual slavery.

Just got back from my attic.

No sla... I mean illegals up there... sigh.

No early Christmas for me, then. Oh well.

Then again, not many people want to come here to the Philippines in search of opportunities.

Quite the opposite, actually.

With good reason.

Rereading your post, and assuming there were sla... (cough! cough! It's the weather, very cold lately, my apologies) illegals camping out, I see your point:

I wouldn't want a literate... au pair. Education is highly over rated, anyway.

After all, if ignorance is bliss, who am I to deny another such joy?

Ah, the burdens of the educated!

My kind heart would not want such a curse on the shoulders of another. Especially if they work for me.

Goddess knows, they'd have enough on their plate!

Anyone reading this, hope no one does, who lacks sense of humour and failed to read the disclaimer, would assume we were advocating the return of slavery which did include the basic rule of no literates allowed, on the assumption they would be able to read the latest train timetable and get away to less generous hearted masters than yourself but ones who might actually be willing to pay them. And money can be so overrated anyway, this illegal who landed on you came to your country for a better life with more money, instead he lucks up an exploitave gent who offers an attic in return for massages.and the odd three course meal served to represent 3 different nations at once.

Hi Zandhi, I see you read the pe disclaimer for a light hearted approach.
This was put in as their have been many intolerant rants over the immigration issue in the last couple of weeks on here.
Saying that I do appreciate your points and you seem to have the same issue that I do with problems arising from an illegal group arriving from a neighbouring country. If they came for exile and wish to become responsible citizens then fine, if they come to a country they hate with not a sinlge show of respect for the people there or their traditions please go elsewehere.

Hi Alice, good for you not turning the chappy in after his long and perilous journey to your basement. No offer of local fare though to tempt him to stay or leave the country depending on your cooking skills that day?
In principal I would say that anyone with the nouse to try and escape a bad sitution in their homeland should have the right to go to mose places he fancies as an alternative, but I do think it's going a bit too far if they decide to land in their enemies back yard, such as a country with a long history of mutual hatred between the two countries.

If i've got it to give then I'll share thea, but more often than not the food cupboard and fridge are bare lol.
I hear what you're saying about enemies, but who created that social divide/hatred.
You're not born to hate someone just because they are from a different country or have different political views. Governments cause it IMO.

With you on the empty fridge scenario Alice.
Hatred between two nations though can go far deeper than govenment policies, it can just evolve from a difference of everything culturally and whole different attitudes to everything. If the immigrants hate everything that the country they want to enter represents and is only there for slighthly higher wages but continues to live as they would in their own country,whilst openly disliking that countries inhabitants I think it's a wrong move. Also when the inhabitants of the country they enter are fearful with good reason of the immigrants and also show mutual antipathy to them (we are not talking political regugees here) then it would be better for everyone if the immigrants chose a country they didn't disrespect and where they would more likely be accepted.

I do agree on that score thea... I did a discussion on racism in the nursery and that was one thing that I kept repeating...why should immigrants emigrate if they have little or no respect for the laws of the land. I do respect them for going to where wages are higher though! that's basically the same as anyone moving to a different part of the country for better earnings... or even moving to a different company, or department. We go where the money is, but when we move..no matter in what way... we still have to respect the conditions, rules, laws, etc that are already existing in that place.

Amen to that, Alice!! And yes, thea! You are right on the money also!
'DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU!!

So we agree Alice, its ok to immigrate into a new place as long as you don't go around stomping out local traditions and breaking into their houses and spreading crime and diseases which would have not been allowed in if proper checks had been done.

The discalimer as I've said now a few times was because of a number of highly intolerant rants lately on here about immigrants. I did not want this to turn into one of them as those types of ranters do not discuss, they shout. I hope that excuses my discliaimer Alice.

It's too easy to get into a heated discussion, but if we can allow each oter to have our own opinions without neg rating or verbal abuse then all is well. I do agree it's wrong to act in all those negative ways when emigrating to another country I certainly wouldn't! If I was moving illegaly though, I would be grateful for help which couldn't be expected if I was doing wrong. On another token... what if that illegal immigrant hasn't been shown any charity or help or advice, wouldn't that make them rebel?

Have you got a visa yet Alice, or are you still an illegal immigrant in webland? Just asking...

Hi EOE, so you're letting him out of the basement and into the house I see if he's getting into the larder. And not planning to exploit him as an unpaid domestic as the other answer did, just becoming a bit of a chum really. Excellent approace EOE, but be prepared for decades of looking for that new basesment as you've gone and made him so comfy

Wait till he sees the size of the spiders down there

He's probably used to bigger and they might come in for a handy snack if the larder is empty.

'Kong' might disagree with that

I forgot to think of the wellbeing of my pet spider, he isn't big and strong nor fast, and I'm always worried he may be eaten by an illegal geko.

Hi James, I see you've rather got the point of this and really most handy indeed that your basement happens to be handily big enough to set up a sweatshop (sorry factory) for them to be exploited in (sorry work at leisure in comfortable surroundings) for many happy years to come (if the blackmarket stays healthy).

Hello James....

That is something...I know leather working skills.....but here we don't have genuine leather we are using modified chicken skin instead of leather....Do I have an offer for migration...

You really aren't fussy where you swim to are you Mr Misterwit, Sunday it was Greece, now its Australia. They have sharks in their waters though so if you swim that way use plenty of shampoo, I 'd hate for you to be eaten on the way.

Hi Zeph, we're in pe, you can make any daft thing up and no ones allowed to rant. There's quite a bit of exploitiation going on above you but no deportions so far or reportings. I didn't realise though you could get into trouble for one being in your basement, I thought only the illegal would be in trouble.

Well I couldn't exploit them because throughout history immigrants have been exploited in the US. I would hope we would speak the same language because communication would be very difficult if not. They would defiantly have to find some means of supporting themselves and not be bothered by the hurt duck currently living in the basement LOL

I think you should establish if they are likely to tend to the hurt duck or eat the hurt duck before you allow any basement lingering.

Indeed fjaril, there are a few who failed to absorb the full intent of the disclaimer. Here was I expecting you to defend the fact that you wouldn't be illegal when you turned up with your bottle of gloop, because of Europe. I can see I'm going to have to be serious in your serious discussions if I expect light heartendness in my light hearted ones.

I actually agree with your sentiments except in certain instances which I have outlined in Alices box above and stand by but those remarks are really concerning economic immigrants. I don't know much, well nothing actuallly, about what goes on in the state of Sweeden so don't know how much of a likely scenario it is there or where they would be coming from to reach you. I do expect your authorites would handle it all with a tolerant approach though.

So where were you an immigrant that you were treated as less than a pet, I thought the Swedish were inoffensive enough to be welcome most places?

Dear Thea.. sorry I pooped on your parade, so to speak.. althought there was no poop and no parade..

But the issue is a great and even sensitive one and since we haven't lately( or longly either) been able to express ouselves, it is just this very discussion that grabbed us and made us talk.. see?? YOU made us do it! O what the heck.. another song coming on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfQFU0omkJI


yeah,, I know,,and I will message you, too! How’s that, then?

Each situation is serious onto itself, is it not ... so very true, as is a discussion topic IMO.. I ignore disclaimers I must go look at your linked choon

hmmmm how bad do you want it? I wonder what the 'it' is?

wonder, indeed!!Check with Alice in Wonderland, my dear Alice.. I am sure she can fill you in.
However, I always find that I can fill in my own blanks and make it what I want it to be.. How about you??

Thanks for the pm fjaril. Have you been introduced to Alice? You could give her a new tip on cooking haggis in gloop.

Alice, do you remember Dime bars, this man invented them, it's a cunning plan devised in Sweeden to withhold my favourite chocolate (after caramac bars) from everyone who doen's shop at IKEA.

There will be no such talk in my presence..of haggis.. please ladies!! Have mercy on my sensitivity.

I am this moment trying to stuff crumbs of daim (DIME. YOUR word) into my mouse.. and.. and.. usch.. ooff..if by small chance he doesn’t like the taste.. you and Alice will soon have a crumb or three to taste.
It is but the best I can do on short notice.

Obviously a trip to THE IKEA near YOU would solve the problem of never having this treasure at such a great price... and How am I doing so far?

Well you're further than me if you serously expect me to drive for at least 4.5 hours to the nearest IKEA for a bit of chocolate. That would make it the most expensive bit of chocolate in the world if you added up petrol, toll charges, plus the stress I would inevitably face having to drive round Athens to find the place.
I would be fearful in such city traffic as wouldn't know where to give way, Greek road signs only let one party on alternate sides of the road into this great secret. I have mastered my nearest large town and I'm sure that in several years an IKEA will be built on the outskirts and then I shall get some cholcolate.

Ahhhh THAT 'it'
Oh! I usually fill in my own blanks much more fun!

Indeed we have been introduced now thea..thank you
and I do remember Dime bars, I'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy to get me eating chocolate while I'm dieting lol but if I want one I don't have to go as far as thea.
You don't like haggis then fjaril? I can take it in small quantities but it has to be crispy lol

If you have wicked thoughts about Dime bars Alice think of me and resist, if I have to go without them so should you. Anyway I think that fjaril is in on the creating process and hss been infilitrating dime bars with liquid gloop - he'll be more than happy to explain that one, he even has pictures.

Don't worry letran......

I have one invisible cap that I got from Aldin....I will give you that one...

Hi Letran, who said anything about illegals being from third world countries, they can be from any country if its illegal for them to be there. An American would be an illegal alien in Greece without the right visa stamped in his passport and after that would be out of here as in deported.
Notifying the authorities would be a good move for anyone who had someone ringing their doorbell, I'd be tempted if they were illegal or not, so its fortuante that I don't have a doorbell. But I'd be suspicious of a stranger not bearing a Greek face turning up on my doorstep as its impossible to find and a long way for screams to be heard from, unless the chap from Athens who neighours neaby is home and is very good at killing things with a shovel.

The shovelkilling Athenian lives mext to YOU?? Who would have quessed.. and you so calm.. What is the latest he has killed with that infamous shovel, pray tell??

A dangerous snake which was inside my house, upstairs. I alerted him with my screams as I didn't want to take my eyes of the creature in case it hid in a dark corner. I was most happy to be rescued by a shovel wielding Athenian I can tell you. Now I must away to cook with olive oil but will return.

hmmm.. dangerous snakes upstairs and illegal immigrants in the basement. Your life is but 'en SKREK film', isn't it.
I think you need all the olive oil you can lay your hands on just to allow you to slide away from all your threats unscathed!

I don't have a basement

That rabbit imigrant? ;)

Well,for me,i'll try analyze the situation though as thorny as it may,i could still end up accomodating the person if he makes his case clear to me. It was about 3yrs ago that a certain guy walked up to our home late in the night with almost no hope of getting where to rest if we had said no but we accepted him & he still stays with us.