Real Racism from Rush's Critics - the Hypocrisy of the Left  

When I was still in Maryland I heard "Hey ni&&a" a lot more than I heard "Hey man" so, no, the one ending with an A is not the same as the one ending with an R. In fact, from a societal perspective, young black Americans took a very ugly word, modified it and took away some of it's power. "

Well then spalli, I got a little challenge for ya. Walk up to a group of young black men and women and say something like "watup n****AS?!" and see what happens, lol, PLEASE upload it to youtube too!
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Why would you expect some bad reaction, x? I took a few minutes to call two of my daughters. First of all, the phrase is "wazzup ni&&as" not "whatup". Daughter #2 in Maryland had a good laugh over that and said that you need to get with the program. She's 27 years old and she said that she uses that greeting freely, with people she knows and strangers in clubs...both black and white, along with "homies" (and some other words I've forgotten now cause I'm not with the program either), and no one has ever had a problem with her saying it due to her race. She has both black and white friends and she said that the word is not racial...it's generational. The "other" word is still racial and she said she'd get her a$$ kicked if she used that one. My 18 year old daughter who is down here in Hooterville with me agrees with her sister that that greeting is not seen as confrontational nor is it's use restricted to black men and women only. She uses it, too, and she wanted me to ask you if you think that only Mexicans and Cubans can say Que passa?

As for your challange...x, I either already know every young person in this town or they know who I am. I've mentioned before that this is a very tiny town. You also have to remember that I'm over 50 so, were I to take you up on your offer, the result would be a lot of laughter followed by rumors that I was high on some kind of drug...and you know how fast rumors spread in small towns.

Well, it was more a tonue in cheek suggestion.....

That's good cause once you do something around here that makes folks think you're nuts, it never goes away. Just ask the cousin who shot the fake decoy deer out of season and was arrested...at least 15 years ago.

Black Americans way back when changed the word. Kudos. But today's young black Americans simply know it, by and large, as a "cool" word, as "their" word.

When I was in high school (gotta love the 90s!), the first bit of actual racial violence I witnessed was when my friends, a few black guys, jumped on and beat the ever-lovin holy hell out of this white kid for singing along to a Dr. Dre song -- mega popular at the time. He dropped the n-bomb, and this confused air set in, thick as any fog, as Quentin, my friend, screamed loudly and immediately charged at this kid.

We're talking about kids all born in the 1980s here, growing up in a town with absolutely ZERO racial violence. I mean, we all literally lived together -- white, black, Latino, Asian. We all played on the same playgrounds, chased the same girls. But somewhere along the way, these kids learned that the "N" word wasn't acceptable from whites.

In hindsight, I don't see what the black kids knew about the world either or what it really meant to them. Does taught history, things you yourself never experienced, resonate with you that much through generations? My grandparents were run out of NY for being Irish. They were called the usual "Micks" and other slurs of the day. But I admit, I couldn't care less 999 times of 1000 if someone who wasn't Irish blurted any of those words out.

I've always wondered this, publically when I get an opportunity: How many generations of people get to cite a cruel past as a "reason" for anything, good or bad? Most of my high school friends have children of their own now. They're growing up in a world where REAL occurances of racism are extremely few and far between, where black men and women are in prominent positions and fully integrated into almost every aspect of popular culture. Will they have that same reaction to a word? Will they know exactly who suffered, why they suffered and who worked to ultimately change? Or will they be taught simply to lash out?

A lot of kids born in the 90s are having children now. Another generation. What will that word--or past racism in general--mean to them in a decade and why?

I am sure that a specific demographic buys that music but I am sure they wouldn't mind if everyone did. I think a tirade that includes threats to shove a tennis ball down the judge's throat is a very strong statement of a personal opinion, yes. But those points are really just to give an example of the trash that already own NFL teams without anyone caring a bit.

You said that both Jackson and Sharpton are racists. We agree. So why do they get to object to Limbaugh on the premise that he's racist? Both were outspoken on this issue and given media time to be so.

Anyway, everyone is non-racist but Rush and me and any other conservative or lapsed member of the thought police. Doesn't actually matter what we say or don't say. Context is of no importance. I gave you the context of Rush's comments here and on another discussion but it doesn't matter. The THEY have decided. Rush is racist, even if he isn't. Jackson and Sharpton might be racists, but we don't mind them influencing people with their opinions because, well, if we objected to that, we'd be racists.

"I gave you the context of Rush's comments here and on another discussion but it doesn't matter."
Unless I missed something - and I apologize if I did - you gave the contest of one of Rush's comments and I don't think it DOES matter, I thought his remarks about Donovan McNabb were offensive and out of line. What about his comparison of the NFL to the gangs? Or his talking about what it's like in "Obama's America" where innocent white boys are beaten by blacks as they say, "Right on, right on"? You and anyone else have every right to feel these remarks aren't racist but in MY opinion they absolutely ARE and I have a feeling I'm in the majority here. Maybe not "here", as in on myLot but I mean in general. It has nothing to do with his politics or being a conservative. There are plenty of conservatives who don't make racist remarks and think they're funny!

Annie

"I think a tirade that includes threats to shove a tennis ball down the judge's throat is a very strong statement of a personal opinion, yes. But those points are really just to give an example of the trash that already own NFL teams without anyone caring a bit."

One inappropriate emotional outburst during her entire career makes Serena Williams trash? She lost her temper in the heat of a very intense moment...I'm sure that's never happened to you...but, unlike Rush, she has apologized several times all over the media, to the line judge and to the public, for her behavior and, unlike Rush, that kind of behavior is not typical for her.

"You said that both Jackson and Sharpton are racists. We agree. So why do they get to object to Limbaugh on the premise that he's racist? Both were outspoken on this issue and given media time to be so."

Rollo, we both know that Jackson and Sharpton get their faces in front of any camera they can, whenever they can, and they ALWAYS show up whenever there's an opportunity to exploit anything having to do with racial issues. This is one of the many reasons why they have no credibility anymore. If you believe that they influenced the decision to remove Rush from the owner's group you are actually giving them a lot more power than they have.

Context is very important, Rollo, and for some reason you choose to ignore the real context of not one but quite a few statements made by Rush that were offensive to first one NFL player in particular and then to almost every player in the league. His entire tirade on the radio, (I read the transcript) where he singled out several players who just happen to be black, where he repeatedly used words like "cultural" and "classlessness", was offensive. You're trying to make it a political issue yet many conservative football fans & players for some reason were not falling all over themselves in support of Rush. At any rate, it doesn't matter what you or I believe because football is a business and decisions are made by both the NFL and wannabe owners based on business criteria.

He also singled out two player whom he commended for being the classiest players in the league. They both happen to be black. Seems you ignored some of the context.

Nope, didn't ignore it...throwing that in was tantamount to saying "some of my best friends are black" while you continue to rant about them and Rush made it pretty clear that he had to be careful how he phrased his thoughts. But if you want to believe that that discounted all of the insulting opinions he expressed, that's your right. He complimented two while insulting many others. Again, the players, coaches, other owners, fans and the NFL itself had the power in this controversy...not Jackson, Sharpton or any political group.

I've tried to discuss this reasonably and logically, but I can't. I am going to just give in and admit that everyone is a racist if they don't agree that Rush Limbaugh is the devil and he will have to wait to play football in hell. It doesn't matter what he said or didn't say or why, he's just a racist cause THEY said so.

I have to go tear out my hair now.

Don't worry, they'll have rewritten history by the time your grandkids get to school. They will probably have to edit out anything before Obama.

It's sad but true.

I was posting on thenotsogreatdebaters thread about voting rights, and I said, jokingly, that I didn't want people who thought Ben Franklin was America's greatest president to help decide the future of my children. I immediately stopped and told myself, "Wait, that's some truly deep stuff!"

I can honestly say that I know some Republicans/conservatives/non-liberals who are bitter simply because their "side" isn't in power. But I can also honestly say that most people pulling their hair out these days are just normal people who realize that the country IS being controlled by dumbed-down, haughty, young elitists in training with their fluffy liberal educations, and special interest. And it's muddafriggin' DISTURBING.

My uncle was a huge Aerosmith fan when he was alive, and in the early 90s, he had the single "Eat the Rich." I can remember him saying, "Then who?" Of course, I had no clue what he was talking about, but it's a question I ask myself today constantly!

Label everyone who does't agree with you a racist. Okay. Then who? You'll be out of business. Blame the other side and punish them for your plight. Okay. Knock yourself out. But then who? Once you're still in the same situation (probably worse), whose fault is it then?

All opposition has already been demonized and marginalized. Since minorities HAVE TO BE liberals (not only liberals, but in total and utter agreement with EVERYTHING) or they're house negros, sell-outs, etc, ideology has become synonymous with skin tone to the point that all non-liberals are either racists or uncle Toms. So I definitely agree with you. He's a racist because they say so -- no other reason needed.

I would join in pulling my hair out, but I'm already balding.

"First of all, exactly what do you mean by, "Well, they weren't incorrectly attributed to Rush. They weren't even real words said by Rush"?

What do I mean? Well, to find that out you'd have to actually read the whole paragraph. Then you would see, just prior to these sentences, the ones that explain I am referring to words said by other people and then just after those sentences, I explain why no one objects to them. I guess I could have said it's because they're invisible.

Why would I not take Media Matters for a source on this? Well, could it be because they were the source for all the lies and made-up quotes that the folks at CNN and MSNBC broadcast?

As to the quote about the Bloods and the Crips, have you read the transcript of the entire show to find out what context this was said in? No, and neither has Media Matters or any other "responsible" journalist. It's not hard to find, I found it and I read it. Should I bother to explain it? I am sure it won't matter, but I can't help myself. I just like the truth so here goes:

Rush was talking about a specific game to start with, one in which a Chargers player head-butted and got all up in the face of a Patriots player and was acting, well... thug-ish. He then began to discuss the classless and undisciplined behavior that was becoming standard in the NFL - the sack dances, the disrespecting other players, the buffoonery that follows any play. The reference to gangs had to do with the insulting behavior displayed by players towards one another. He then had a discussion with a caller about how this type of behavior all started with Mark Gastineau of the NY Jets, who did the first sack dance. Gastineau is white, by the way. Rush also stated that the two classiest players in the NFL were LaDanian Tomlinson and Marvin Harrison. Those two players are both black. I realize that even knowing all of this, you will still need to believe that he made the gang reference in order to make a racial reference, but I still had to tell you what was really being discussed.

Halfrican reference? Not classy, definitely. It was an outrageous way of saying bi-racial. I wouldn't use the term, and I assume he did use the term to be outrageous. But, it's not exactly a lie... they are both biracial. Maybe we should all give up terms like African-American and Italian-American and Native American and every other hyphenated American type and just be Americans.

The Magic Negro, (or magical negro or mystical negro) is NOT a racial epithet, it's a literary device used in fiction. The Magic Negro is a character who usually appears out of nowhere, has no past. This secondary character usually displays some keen insight or magical powers, some psychic ability or supernatural knowing that he uses to help the white protagonist get out of trouble or achieve some great goal - often by helping the white main character to recognize his own faults and weaknesses and overcome them. Spike Lee criticized Hollywood for its use of the magic negro in many films, such as Bagger Vance and The Green Mile. Spike Lee used the term Magic Negro but he didn't invent it, it's been around for a very long time. Rush used it in a political sense, Spike Lee used it in a cinematic sense. Not a racial slur, but a social and political commentary.

I don't know what other gems you've heard Rush say, I don't listen to Rush. You must if you hear him say these things. I do know that you completely avoided the issue of the media interviewing racists like Jackson and Sharpton to give their opinions on how racist Rush Limbaugh is.

You said: "I wish I could remember who said this because I'm beginning to think it's the truth; I'm paraphrasing but it went something like this - "To the conservatives the only racism that exists is reverse racism!"

To that I would counter that I have heard it said by many, and I am starting to believe it, that for liberals the only racism that exists is the examples they find to point at in other people, never realizing that their obsession with seeing racism everywhere makes them more racist than those they police the speech of.

Comparing black people to black people is considered racism by a lot of people. Is it? I say HELL NO -- GET OFF IT. But some others see it as blatant racism.

Rush making the comment about the bloods and crips was only considered racist because people who heard it and judged it said, basically, "Well, the NFL is 'black' and bloods and crips are 'black.' He's a racist!"

Let us not forget, some of the far-left race criers were also up in arms over the comparison of Michelle Obama to Oprah. "RACISM! Why would anyone compare two black women unless they were racist!?"

And the Obama/Oprah comparison was actually positive, and not a negative comparison like Rush made.

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You just can't be anything but 100% serious, 100% sensitive and 100% willing to bite and swallow your swollen tongue before you mention a minority at all! It's just the climate we live in.

I'm curious, Rollo, on what do you base your opinions regarding Rush's racial views if you don't listen to his show...political affiliation only? You also don't follow football but you're certain he's never said anything out of line on ESPN either.

I listen to a lot of talk radio, most of it conservative, and I do listen to Rush when I can. I also listen to Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham and, locally, Joyce Kaufman (our TEA party queen)...all conservatives. I caught some of Andre Eggelletion's show this afternoon...he's not conservative...and Dennis Miller sometimes in the evenings if there's nothing good on tv. My point here is that my mind is open to all ideas and opinions and I've pretty much established during the past year here that I'm not a die hard supporter of any political party. So, don't automatically discount the opinions of someone who doesn't agree with you as being politically motivated because that's not always the case. Rush dances on the edge of the cliff quite a bit. There are times when he does cross the line. It's not newsworthy on the talk radio circuit but things change when you're a television commentator working for ESPN or trying to become a part of professional football in a position of authority.

You say that for liberals, the only racism that exists are the examples they find to point at in other people but what did you do in our discussion above with Serena Williams? You took one emotional outburst made by a young woman who has always been an example of good sportsmanship and decency, a momentary loss of control during a critical point in a critical game for which she has publicly apologized more than once, and you labeled her as trash and accused her of being racist against the line judge. Doesn't that make you equally guilty of the same thing?

I didn't say Serena Williams was racist, I disapproved of her behavior which I think most do, and yet no one has any problem with her owning an NFL team. I called Sharpton and Jackson racist.

I base my opinion on what Rush said on what Rush said. Not what others think he said, lie about or put their own racist spin on.

There are two examples which are continuously quoted out of context and which I do not believe are racist. The other statements that keep being spread about are lies, something that even those who spread them now admit.

You can believe to your dying day that Rush is a racist. I believe that no one has proved that or shown good cause for anyone to believe it.