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myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer3 weeks ago

I know the answer to this is hackers, but they have got to be the most annoying people in the world. Why on earth would anyone want to make a virus and send it through the computer systems to poor unexpecting individuals like myself.

They must be so sad spending all that time by a computer screen creating things to upset everyone, do they not have anything better to do? Its no better than those teenagers flicking the switch on dawnalds electricity box. Pranksters.

I am having this rant as yesterday my computer completely went. It was a famous trojan horse stomping over my system. It wouldn't even let me get into windows so I couldn't even format and wipe to get rid of it.

So my hubby spent all afternoon until 1am in the morning trying to fix the problems, this morning it took him another two hours. Now we are virus free no thanks to the idiot that made the virus in the first place.

I do so many important things on the computer, my hubby works full time on his computer and as they are linked his wouldn't work either.
Thankfully my hubby has sorted it and I have my beloved computer working again and have a much better virus checker on my comp as it seems the reliable AVG has let me down. First time in 3yrs that AVG has let me down.

Has anyone here had any problems? What anti-virus software do you recommend other than AVG?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 84/100. fiazio (347)   ranked 2,780 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

yes its the hackers, and why do they do it?
Might be for fun, revenge or there can be a more sensible answer to this question.

You must have noticed every virus that comes out there, a particular company has its solution in hours of its release.

So why can't it be that the compitition between security companies lead to hackers being paid to make viruses that have no effect on that companies anti virus protected computers,but is harmful for computers installed with the competitor's anti virus solution...

I think thats the reason


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

You might be right. They have achieved the fact I have changed my anti-virus on my comp. But I find it so frustrating, they obviously know how important the computer is to people. Thanks for the reply


myLot reputation of 79/100. syndrix (264)   ranked 4,471 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I think the one who are making these viruses are also those who are making the anti-virus. another observation is that these viruses are in competition,why? Because as we can see every month(s) or year these people are releasing numbers of version and updates most likely more and more viruses to come. so is there any treatment for this viruses? This is business,they made the virus they also sell the anti-virus. That is simple, the victim we the users. To sort it out to avoid these viral we must not used computers in that way there will be not viruses at all.

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2. myLot reputation of 91/100. manong05 (2932)   ranked 1,584 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

I think one of the main reasons is power trip, they want to test their knowledge and imagine themselves to be in control of other people's lives. There maybe no financial gains as many are led to believe.

I've been using AVG for a long time and I am satisfied with its performance. I just made sure that I have it continually updated as to be effective. Rumors has it that it can not recognize some virus signatures but I have yet to experience it. So far so good.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I used AVG for 3 years and it was great, it caught everything straight away, but this virus yesterday got through. I am really lucky my hubby managed to fix it. If I was single I would have ended up throwing the computer out and buying a new one and their not cheap.=( I hope all those hackers get things back. What goes around comes around so the saying goes.

They make me really annoyed. Thanks for replying I hope AVG works for all for many years to come I guess I was just unlucky

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3. myLot reputation of 65/100. nitin_hec (672)   ranked 2,014 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

Most of virus develop by antivirus companies. As now they have huge competition so they have to do these so that their user think that this is best. Yesterday I also receive virus in system. I was using quick heal. Not able to detect. Virus did disabled my task manager as well as registry editor. I quickly uninstall quick heal and installed AVG and update it and it remove all virus. AVG is good but not best. Best one is mcafee and Norton.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I have tried Norton but it didn't work for me. I found AVG much better. Now I'm using kaspersky, I hope it works ok otherwise I guess I will have to try Mcafee. Its so frustrating. Thanks for the reply


Hanibal (3)  3 weeks ago

I think that kaspersky is the best solution if that doesnt work then there are little you can do about it after kaspersky only format saves you!!

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. jpso138 (3507)   ranked 1,132 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

I think those viruses are made by people who are working for those selling anti virus and those making computers. Obviously the anti virus will not be selling if there is no need for them. So I think they are made by the people who sell computer anti virus.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I guess there is no solution other than to keep swapping and changing your anti-virus. Gets expensive though to keep doing that to avoid all the viruses

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5. myLot reputation of 99/100. getbrowser (1434)   ranked 40 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

Although many viruses are made by these annoying hackers, it may be wrong of you to fasten the blame on them. sad In fact, most of virus develop by antivirus companies, which is used to test the anti-viruse softwares.

Of course, the one that makes a virus and sends it through the computer systems to poor unexpecting individuals is really dammed. When it comes to the anti-virus software, Norton may be your right choice. As far as I know, it is widely used around the world, which is strong and usable.

Apart from the security software, the awareness of security is really useful too. Whenever you surf on the Internet, remember to be careful all the time.


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myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I don't like norton, I don't find it as effective as others. I am normally really careful when it comes to what I download and files I open on the internet but somehow one slipped through.

And my point was the virus that affected me has obviously been sent through the system, so someone done that. Nothing has been gained by doing it, apart from it being a nusciance for a few hours.

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6. myLot reputation of 94/100. LadyMarissa (2641)   ranked 25 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

I have NO affection for hackers!!! Why do they do it??? ATTENTION!!! One guy who did it said he did it because he had been trying to get a job at Microsoft & they were ignoring him. Once he hacked their system, they hired him to teach them how to STOP hackers. Personally, I think he was rewarded for being a hacker!!! I saw NOTHING that would deter any other hacker from giving it a try. Most hackers are self-centered, arrogant, know-it-all type people.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I can almost understand though the logic behind that, he wanted a job so he did what he did to get it and it worked. But what is the sense in sending viruses to people like me? Or once their in one persons system I guess they just spread or am I way off? I don't know but it just seems completely pointless, like kids defacing a wall with gravity, that is how I see these people. Childish nusiences.


myLot reputation of 94/100. LadyMarissa (2641)   ranked 25 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

Childish nuisance is a good term for it. Yes, it is much like gang graffiti. The goes to everybody's computer that I know. Then it repeats itself over & over & over. Destroying all those computers gets Microsoft attention!!!


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I really cannot stand microsoft, but that is for another topic. lol

 
7. myLot reputation of 97/100. paintswithwords (242)   ranked 566 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

Actually most hackers are not the bad guys and not the ones that create viruses. Hackers break into computer systems for a variety of reasons usually testing security systems and their purpose is not malicious.

Computer CRACKERS are one who maliciously break into computer.However, the term hackers has gotten to be use loosely to refer to these culprits. These are the ones who get off on a power trip and do their utmost to harm yours and others computer systems and wreak havoc on corporate computers to obtain personal information for unscrupulous purposes.

AVG used to be a good product when it was privately owned. Then McAfee bought it a few years back and like all McAfee products it started to go downhill.

AVAST anti-virus is a good product and free for personal use. It can be set to update automatically and does so almost daily. I suggest running virus scans if not every night at least weekly. It is a good preventative.

A trojan is not really a virus. It is part of the spyware group consisting of bots, trojans and adware. It is a good idea to also have a spyware program on the computer. Spybot is a good free and easy to use program and will help to keep on top of these kinds of threats.

Another program wise to have which will run a check every night is Super anti-spyware, also free for personal use. If you read your tech groups on computer safety they all recommend a complete group of programs to aid in preventing harmful viruses and spyware attacks.

One more thing that helps is a good firewall. Commodo has a free for personal use one. Actually commodo can also be use as an anti-virus though some tech groups advise using separate programs.

Hope this helps prevent another serious attach.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

Thanks, you always seem to know all the information I'm looking for. AVG used to run a check everyday at a set time for me and I found it really reliable, but now it has disappointed me and I am sure it is because it was taken over. Do you know if kaspersky are good? Its what I am currently using as it was recommended. I think I have posted before that I am not very tech savvy, I leave it all to my hubby to sort. But I am going to ensure I have all these things on my system so it doesn't happen again.

I think hubby has put a firewall on the system, but I'm not sure if he has put any anti-spyware on. If he has and I try and install another will it effect the performance?


myLot reputation of 97/100. paintswithwords (242)   ranked 566 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

It will not hurt the performance to run more than one spyware program. Especially if you use the 'free for personal use' ones because they generally do not run automatically except the Super-anti spyware software. None of these programs require a great deal of memory that would make the PC sluggish, except perhaps starting the computer may be a little slower as some of them do a quick memory scan when starting your PC.

You cannot run more than one anti-virus. Some people say you can, no so. It will cause problems on the computer. Anti-virus programs conflict with each other. You need to completely remove one anti-virus software before installing another.

I am not real familiar anymore with Kapersky. However, I can tell you this much. From my experience with tech groups and computer tutoring I have found that AVAST is one of the best. AVG used to be right up there with it until it was sold.

The absolute best if you want to spend money is ESET NOD32 Antivirus which has malware (spyware) protection built in. For two computer license it will probably cost somewhere 60 bucks.

Here is a way to check out programs you are thinking of using.

Put the name of the product in google search and click enter. When a page comes up, go to the top right of the page where there are selections you can make and click on more. From the drop down list, click on 'groups'.

The page that comes up will be lists of discussions on the product from tech forums. Read a couple of them and you can get a good idea of which products to choose. This is the method I like best for comparing products because many of these groups are tech savvy.

Another method you can try to get reviews is to put the product name in google with a plus sign and the word review like the example below:

Kapersky+review This will bring up various reviews written on line for you to compare.

Hope this helps you out.




myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

After you stated about the built in spyware, I have checked to see what kaspersky has. It has a built in firewall, anti-malware (whatever that is lol), application filtering, proactive defense (no idea what that means either), anti-phishing, network attack blocker, anti-dialer and anti-spam. It also has the option to block ads and banners, plus parental control.

So to me that sounds quite good, but not being tech savvy sounding good and being good are two different things, I think I will google it and find out for sure.


myLot reputation of 97/100. paintswithwords (242)   ranked 566 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

It sounds good, but do a few readings to get a good picture of what the techs are saying. Most times they recommend separate programs for some of those things. The all-in-one programs are not generally suggested to be as powerful. Kind of like when you mix many flavors with something, you end up watering down the unique qualities of each flavor. I will try to take some time when I come back from my outing to check on it as well. I have not looked into that program in a long time and software improves or worsens from time to time. Let me know what your findings are.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

So far I have read all positive reviews, though it has a few negatives the overall results were good, so I think I will stick with it for now and I will let you know if I get any problems.

I have installed the other programs people have recommended too and my system seems to be working fine. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for all the info and for replying


myLot reputation of 97/100. paintswithwords (242)   ranked 566 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

Great...best of luck. The important thing is to keep the programs updated and scan at least monthly. You should be good now...:))

 
8. myLot reputation of 80/100. skysuccess (2255)   ranked 222 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

Skyeblue25,

I do not think that your anti virus program is to be blamed for the recent virus infection on your personal computers as the virus might be relatively new and has found another hole in the system to penetrate.

I could see that this virus was not malicious to cause a total wreck on your system other than some inconveniences of the system failing. One way or another the system will always be a target for hacking and it just keeps developers of operating systems and anti virus programs on their toes. Not forgetting the end users like you and me.

Interestingly, instead of looking for another anti virus software, I think you may want to go for system restore software where you can certainly beat the pain of a reformatting or manual virus removal procedures. There are quite a number of good ones in the market and I am sure you will be able to find them very useful.

Take care and have a nice day.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

It did completely ruin my system. I couldn't even load the computer up=/

Literally the computer loaded half way and then completely conked out. My hubby is quite a whizz with the technical side of things and managed to sort it but he really struggled this time. Plus he had to wipe the whole computer and format the hard drive. Meaning everything I had on the computer was gone. He has reinstalled the internet and things for me.

He told me if the virus had been on there any longer we would have had to throw the whole computer away=( So we were very lucky.

Maybe your right and it wasn't the anti-viruses fault. But its still frustrating that there are people out there that send these things to people. Or even worse that they are made deliberately to force you to change your anti-virus software. Thanks for the reply.

 
9. myLot reputation of 73/100. mrfdg1972 (478)   ranked 911 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

That is the economics of anti virus software, AVG hacks Avast, Avast hacks ESET, Defender hacks Kaspersky and so on, literally one anti virus software/company destroys another anti virus software to degrade its credibility. But three years is fair enough to with stand virus attacks. If you know how to format your computer, i recommend that you do it at least once a year to preserve your computers integrity. I do not have an anti virus, all i use is DEEP FREEZE FARONICS.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

I hadn't backed anything up so I lost all my files when hubby formatted=( I am hoping I won't have to format again for a long time


myLot reputation of 73/100. mrfdg1972 (478)   ranked 911 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

Always back up your important files, we are never sure when its gonna hit next.

 
10. harsha0498 (9)   ranked 4,899 out of 5,602 in computer   3 weeks ago

dear lady,
I recommend quickheal antivirus strictly.IT has the updated virus database.I personally tried avast,avg,norton,mcafee,kasperesky,nod32,bitdefender,comodo,windows,
but at sometime I got frustrated,when virus acquired the ability to bypass the antivirus and firewall software.Virus writers are becoming cleverer nowadays.
They are always a step ahead then we can imagine.There are also superprogrammers.
Most of the virus writers are from asia,for a purpose.

by my personal experience Quick heal provides amll round protection.
It even blocks attacks from crackers and hackers,prevents any type of offensive code
entering your system.IT has anti phising,anti virus,antis rootkit,anti malware,strong
firewall which sticks with the operating system.Kasperesky and all other anti virus are also good.They also have unique features.Still if u have any computer related issues u can contact me in mylot.I am a part time technician.Solving windows related issues is my hobby.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Skyeblue25 (182)   ranked 454 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

Thankyou, I will definately take a look. At the moment though I think I am now fully protected. Its just so frustrating that their are people out there that caused this in the first place


harsha0498 (9)   ranked 4,899 out of 5,602 in computer  3 weeks ago

one day your computer may get BSOD(blue screen of death).Only it is a matter of time.THose days virus writers wrote BOOt sector virus,which eats your hard drive like a snail.If u have such issues,lets have discussion.


myLot reputation of 86/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (331)  21 hours ago

Hi harsha,

I will take note of that quickheal too. I have AVG at the moment and touchwood no problems all the others Norton, Panda, Kapersky and others all caused my Computer to collapse.
Actually we got a blue Screen but it was because the Graphic Card went bust.
So we replaced the Graphic Card and no more blue Screen although I have taken note of what you have mentioned here about the blue screen and the hard drive. Thanks again.

 
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