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myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics 2 years ago

Not hearing a whole lot here on mylot about it. Usually when a big bill is being done it is debated to death on this site. What's up? Have you read it? Are in you interesting in it?Pros...cons. What do you think of the bill? Come on lets get some debate going on what is going on.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 414 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I guess I would have to say that I am really not interested in it.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

seems no one else is either. From what I can see...the bill that is currently being put forth would basically limit the size of companies and banks and set up a "bail out" system before things go taht bad. So basically no accountablility. Screw up and instead of going out of business the tax payers will automatically bail you out.


myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 414 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

If you are going to get bailed out don't expect me to come to your defense. So I guess that is why I have no interest in this.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I am not going to defend them either. But I want to make sure the bill is going to keep from my tax dollars being used to bail them out again. I don't want anymore BAIL OUTS ever. Let them fail.

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 82 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

zzzzzzz. sorry, nothing to do with this bill, just a long day. honest. anyway you've said some of what is in it, what else? are there any good ideas? any really bad ones? when the bunny party wins the coming election we may be stealing ideas rather than bothering to think them up ourselves.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

oh come on JB...stay engaged in the process. READ THE BILL. Decide FOR YOURSELF if you like it or not and then contact your elected officials.Do you really just want one sided take on it? It is our tax dollars and economy at stake you know. Not that the press is very engaged this one either. Healthcare was all over the place...this one...nothing....it is just as important. How our business will be run and how our tax dollars go them is at stake here.

Bunny party? Now you guys have started a party. I am going to have to keep an eye on you and your bunny friends...you guys can be sneaky. lol


Bunny party?


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 82 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

no it is not our tax dollars. it is your tax dollars. i am not so interested in a bill being passed in another country that i intend to read the whole thing. here certainly. anyway i think the bunny party will go international. in the states i think the representatives will be hares not rabbits though.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

With the way companies are international now a days it will effect you too. But I can understand you not putting a lot of effort in the bill when it is not your country...


Note to self...watch the hares...they are up to something.


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 82 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

well i am interested. and it looks like more so than most of the regulars here which is why i was asking questions. still not going to read your bill though. i'll get the gist if anybody actually discusses it.


hares are always up to something. rabbits might be fierce but hares are fierce AND cunning.

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3. myLot reputation of 82/100. TTCCWW (337)   ranked 50 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I think we are all holding our breath that this will not turn into the same battle health care was.

This is much more complicated and stemmed from the Reagan-omics idea's from 30 years ago. There are still so many conservatives that think that deregulation is the only way capitalism will work that I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Our business schools have been teaching this non-sense for the last twenty years so maybe it is no wonder that these folks cannot figure out what went wrong.

I am thrilled that the president put his foot down on derivatives a day or two ago, reform without controling derivative's is not reform at all..

I don't think the bankers "get it" yet and I don't think they understand the historical position they are in or how truley angry the public is at this entire mess. Yes it looks like we will get most, if not all, of our tax dollars back but the billions that were lost by mutuals and individuals will take years for folks to forget. Some families will never recover and it will effect generations to come.

These bankers and investors have some bizarre since of entitlement that just boggles the imagination. "We gamed the system, spent millions convincing legislators to decriminalize gaming the system, lied to our customers, lied to other banking establishments, lied to country's that we do business with, and for some reason you think we are the bad guys" WT# is that about?

If they think the new regulations are going to hurt them in the US just wait until the EU gets done with them and the lawsiuits start pouring in.

I understand that the international community is about to open the gates for cross border lawsuits and then we will see some blood.

They have billions to spend on lobbyist and I don't think they really know how to frame the problem to convince the lawmakers to come to their side. Republican or Democrat, can you imagine getting re-elected if you vote against regulation?

This may be the one issue that the gun totters and the leaf eaters can all agree on.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Oh I agree regulation needs to be updated. But I don't agree with continueing the bail outs for companies or corporations. We need to be done with that. If companies run themselves into the ground...let them go under. STOP ANY MORE BAIL OUTS. They have to pay for their bad business practices. What incentive to do good if you know you are "too big to fail". YOu know you can make stupid decisions because at the end of the day the government will bail you out.

Wall street will go kicking and screaming on this one. We all know it. But I do see some people voting for it and still getting re-elected. On the principle of "I agree with reform...but not this refrom". Both sides have a completely different idea of how teh problem should be fixed without messing up free enterprise.


myLot reputation of 82/100. TTCCWW (337)   ranked 50 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

If they pass what they have in hand now there will be no more tax payer bail outs.

And it looks like to big to fail is also going away so we will see what it looks like after it bounces around the floor of the House.

It really is a pretty good start but I think of what John McCain said about regulation a few years ago. he said that you have to revisit it every few years because the way our country is designed they will always find a way around the rules.

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4. myLot reputation of 83/100. irisheyes (3349)   ranked 213 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I was hoping somebody would post on this. I would have eventually but I don't post all that much and I sort of thought I'd wait a bit and now here it is - Thank you Lil Wonder!

First, I have not read the bill yet (I intend to) but I'm pretty certain that it is basically a re-instatement of the regulations of the Federal Banking Act of 1933 ( also know as Glass Steagall Act). We've been shoring up and making the financial market stable and now they are going to have to go back to the regs that made them (and us) stable in the first place - HOORAY!.

I read through some of the responses on here and I noticed that one person mentioned "Reagonomics". Well, Reagon was the first to dismantle Glass Staegall but he was not the last and was probably not even the worst. That came under Clinton with a Republican senator at the helm. Not that I blame either Clinton or Reagon. The dismantling of the regulations that protected us from another 1929 was a totally nonpartisan effort on the part of politicians who were probably forward thinking (they thought) and well meaning. BUT they were wrong.

Bottom line: Investment banking spent over 300 million dollars (back when that was big money) lobbying for the end of the Glass Steagall regulations on the grounds that they were archaic and impeded progress. They got their wish and we all got October of 2008. On the other hand, China set up their modern banking system incorporating almost all of Glass Steagall and wound up with the fastest growing economy on the face of the earth.

It's time to learn from out mistakes and those of our leaders and put those regs back. I hope that this can be bipartisan. De-regulation was bipartisan. Why can't the solution be that way also. (That's a rhetorical question and I pretty much know why but on this one issue I genuinely hope I'm wrong)

PS: The hint that regulation was coming was when Obama pulled Paul Volker out of retirement. When he was the head of the Fed, Volker went on record against the dismantling of Glass Steagall. His early record with Reagan was pretty damn good in retrospect. He was the one who held the line and let the interest rates go to the sky to end "stagflation" or whatever they called it under Reagan. It wasn't until Greenspan replaced him that the trouble began and regulation became a dirty word. Now, even Greenspan admits that mistakes were made.

I guess on the positive side, it's pretty difficult for any politician right now to take a stand in favor of wall street. Maybe that's why so many are laying low on this issue. I don't even care about the motivatons hee. I just want to see some safeguards back in our financial system.

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5. myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

Gosh, I guess people here really AREN'T interested in this issue, are they? I've been kind of sporadic lately because it hurts too bad to sit for long periods of time, so I hadn't responded when I first saw this post but now when I returned there still haven't been too many responses.

I find it really interesting that ONCE AGAIN the Republicans have filibustered. They now say they're still negotiating a bill but they all voted in unison - as usual - to not allow the bill to be debated on the Senate floor. Apparently they don't want to appear before C-Span cameras defending the practices on Wall Street that nearly totally destroyed our economy! They'd obviously prefer "negotiating" behind closed doors and then giving their spin (translated BULL$HIT!) to the press.

Annie


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 82 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

think they have all been distracted by immigration. or something shiny blink

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