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myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics 2 years ago

Tomorrow, Thursday, HR2499 is going to be presented. The people of PR have voted down statehood for the last 43 years because they get services without paying US taxes for them. Now Congress is bringing it up again, wanting to make PR our 51st state. Here's a link to the story:

http://beforeitsnews.com/...

While we were all being distracted by financial "reform" and other things, Congress is once again trying to add another state to our union. I would say the more the merrier but I think it's an attempt to capture more votes for 2012. I'm not sure which party would benefit but I'm sure one of them is behind this. Or maybe I'm paranoid. There's so much to be paranoid about now..sad

What is your opinion on having another state? Do you think it would be beneficial to all or is it just a ploy to gain more revenue and votes?

 

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tags:  puerto rico, statehood, 51st state, bill, democrat
 
1. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

In my ever so humble opinion, if Peurto Rico does not want state hood, I say cut them off. I would not force them. Just cut them loose.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I was not aware that we were providing them services until I heard it today. They should either join the states or do without our services.

I don't think we need another state and we certainly don't need nearly 4 million more people just to increase voter roles--estimate another 1-1.5 million adults. The progressives are already planning to do an amnesty thing, from what I'm hearing, so that 11-20 million new Hispanic citizens will gratefully vote for the democrat party. About 57% of them voted democrat in the last POTUS election.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I could have sworn that buying votes was illegal. Guess I was wrong...

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. mentalward (6158)   2 years ago

I really don't care if they become a state or not but I think this bill is to try to bring in more tax revenue for our government.

I don't really pay attention to all this Republican/Democrat stuff because it just makes me angry. Our government was supposed to be about the people but it's not. It's about greed. Of course, with all the backstabbing that goes on between the parties, I want no part of them.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I would be an independent or libertarian if it meant I could vote in the primaries. I never understood why Ls and Is couldn't vote then.

I would not mind PR becoming a state but I think it's just to get a million more votes for the democrats. You're right, this bickering and power grabbing without considering the people they are supposed to be working for is bull crap.

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3. myLot reputation of 66/100. Starchaser (773)   2 years ago

It seems that you're saying the US has only 50 states...?
I always thought US had 51 states.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

There are only 50 states right now, although in a campaign speech in 2009 our president-to-be claimed he'd been campaigning in 57 states with one more to go. lol Don't feel bad, even our president gets confused on it every so often. wink


myLot reputation of 66/100. Starchaser (773)  2 years ago

I remember that the stars represent the states, and that they're 50 in all, and I thought the other one was not added to the flag because it would change it.
And I always thought that the 51st was Hawaii, and that Puerto Rico was an independent nation. lol.

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4. myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15573)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

IMO it is very obvious that Congress is only trying get Puerto Rico as a state is to benefit from votes and revenue. It must not be in the best interests of Puerto Rico if they do not want to be the 51st State.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I think they just want the votes. That, along with all the votes they will get by giving amnesty to 12-20 million illegal aliens will ensure that the dems control the government for the next few decades. I wouldn't mind dems if they weren't progressives but they are dangerous for our country, in my opinion. I don't like their socialist leanings--I should specify that I mean the leanings of their representatives, not the people themselves. Most of them are nice, reasonable and intelligent people.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15573)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

The cost of the Obama Health Care supporting Medical care for all the amnesty transformed citizens plus the 4 million new citizens from Puerto Rico may get votes but will cripple the USA!
I used to be a nice,reasonable and intelligent Democrat until Obama came on the scene and change the Democratic party into his own personal tool to destroy the USA. Now I am a nice, reasonable and intelligent Independent.


myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Welcome, Whiteheather, to the ranks of Independents. I use to be a Republican. I changed my party at the beginning of Bush's second term, because I was that upset with Bush and the Republican Party. Now I'm so upset with Obama and the Democratic Party, I'm leaning right again. I'll probably stay an Independent, even though we don't get to vote in the primaries, just to keep them guessing which way I'm going to vote next. I've already made my decisions for 2010...and I'm just waiting to cast my vote.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15573)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I am also leaning to the right and as long as the Democrats have crooks like Obama, Pelsosi and Reid running the show I doubt I'll ever head in their direction again. I have also made my decisions for 2010.

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. elitess (3514)   2 years ago

Hi there dear Dragon - oh my look at me, i am answering in a politics topics - i must be out of my mind happy. Anyway while this does not affect me in any way, i think i can make a parallel between what is happening there, and what happened between Romania and Republic of Moldova for years. Well they wanted off and not be a part of Romania, even if they speak the same language they invented a dictionary of romanian - moldavian thumbdown and they think they are greater then us, but come to think about it, they need a lot of resources from us (and from Russia as well) to survive, and if they were to be cut off i don't know what they would do.

Well the thing is that stubbornness can sometimes be an obstacle in any relationship, and just being a supplier for Puerto Rico might benefit the US ( i am thinking of taxes of course).


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

The situations seem to be similar! I'm not sure if I want a 51st state, as I think the motivation is purely to get more votes for the party now in power. Moldova and Puerto Rico seem to be similar in their interactions, although Puerto Rico is a Spanish speaking island and we speak English here.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. OceanTiara (6977)   2 years ago

What services does Puerto Rico get tax free?

Hmmm I didn't know that..but I am ignorant of all these things you know.

Wow Dragon, they are wanting to make Puerto Rico a state?

Hmm, why not?

Denver Colorado is what 110% Hispanic and it is considered a state, so why not Puerto Rico too? Hhhaha LOL


myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48774)   ranked 587 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

hi oceantiara I just found out you are no longer on my friends list, how did that happen? can we be friends again? hatley here.oh yes just going to say you think Denvers bad you should see the Hispanics here in ca and most are not here legally either.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I'm not sure what we give Puerto Rico, just that I read in the article that we provide many. I would not mind it being a state, just not for political reasons like acquiring more voters who would be more likely to vote for one party or another, which is what I think is going on.

Denver is 34% Hispanic. I welcome any group, nationality or race to this country as long as they come here legally and make an attempt to learn the language and hopefully get their citizenship. Did you know that naturalized citizens are more knowledgeable of our history and and government than most high school grads?! Bring on the immigrants, I say, just legal ones! I kind of got off the subject here but I felt it was important since you mentioned the large Hispanic population of Denver.


myLot reputation of 98/100. OceanTiara (6977)  2 years ago

Hi Dragon

Whoever said Denver is 34% Hispanic obviously has never celebrated Cinco Di Myo Day on Federal Blvd in Denver LOL xooxo


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I just looked it up on Google. Cinco Di Mayo in Phoenix is a hoot, too. Everyone has a great time and the downtown area is one big party! lol


myLot reputation of 98/100. OceanTiara (6977)  2 years ago

rolleyesroflhave a nice day

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48774)   ranked 587 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

hi dragon I say if Puerto Rico wants freebies thats tough, make them pay just like the rest of our states here, they cannot have it both ways. make them a state and make them pay their fair share. I am in a grouchy mood today and with the economy so horrid and my son out of work I see little to make me smile and the idea of Puerto Rico getting all free really makes me even grouchier.angrydevilevil grin


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Oh Hatley, I saw you spout off just now somewhere else!! lol Cheer up! I agree, if they want to be a state (which they don't so far) let them in and make them pay taxes. If not, don't provide them services for free.

I don't like this because the two parties see some new voters in the works if they can convince PR to become a state. That's the only reason they're doing it. Both parties, what jerks they all are! angry If there was a more legitimate reason I might be all for it. PR is a beautiful place and I've heard the people are lovely.

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8. myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago


I read through the article and the bill itself. I see a number of problems with the article though. First:
"Then there is the problem of reassigning some seats in the U.S. House of Representatives by handing at least six or seven over to Puerto Rico, depriving six or seven existing states of one representative each because of the congressionally-mandated 435 seat cap"
I was not aware that congress had the authority to "cap" the number of represenatives as doing so is a direct conflict with the constitution in a number of areas (not that this stops them), they are not given this power and the contsitution CLEARLY spells out how the number of represenatives is reached. So, this part of the article is suspect.
Second:
"a second vote would have to be administered, this one giving Puerto Ricans no option but statehood or full independence if the majority expresses dissatisfaction with the current political status."
This line in the article is pattently false. It is 3 choices...
From the bill:
"(1) Independence: Puerto Rico should become fully independent from the United States. If you agree, mark here XX. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(2) Sovereignty in Association with the United States: Puerto Rico and the United States should form a political association between sovereign nations that will not be subject to the Territorial Clause of the United States Constitution. If you agree, mark here XX. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(3) Statehood: Puerto Rico should be admitted as a State of the Union. If you agree, mark here XX"


Another thing the article doesnt seem to understand is that this would likely NOT lead to more democratic representation in our elections as the majority of Puerto Rico's population is pretty devoutly Roman Catholic and would likey go more with republicans.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Link to the bill
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2499/text


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Your last paragraph, thankfully, blows my conspiracy theory out of the water. I hate to think of voting manipulation going on so blatantly. I didn't think they could cap the number of reps, either, doesn't the constitution only say every state should be represented according to their population? This Congress is seriously whacko.

As usual, a very well thought out and instructive response, thank you!

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myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

lol...thanks. I'm not sure how routine this bill is or isn't. I know a number of resolutions and bills have come up before that generaly tell Puerto Rico to "take your leak or get off the pot" This might just be another one of those bills? *shrug* not too sure.


myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2666)   ranked 158 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I don't know, though. Once PR is privy to more American media and more liberals in their face screaming that all white people are racists, they may go the way of other minority groups in our country and just vote for the guys telling them everyone else is evil.

If real issues ever mattered at all in America, neither the Republicans or Democrats would be in power.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I'm not too worried either way. Every time this has come up for a vote Puerto Rico has said no to state hood. but then their own elections have never had these choices on the ballot either. I dont think the congress can force a referendum in Puerto Rico anyways.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Incidentaly, I don't opose giving Puerto Rico state hood, if they really want it. As long as they o it propperly and don't pull a Tennesee. I think they'd be foolish to give up what they have now though and most people there know this. I used to work with a bunch of seasonal workers from there and they all pretty much said the same thing..."Statehood? Are you crazy? Why would we do that?"

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. bunnybon7 (7725)   ranked 726 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

thumbup i think if we are already responsible for helping them out with things, they should pay taxes. anyway, i also think because the majority in PR is people of color, Obama is behind it all. no one seems to realise that we so wanted a nice black president is the biggest reason hes in there. suspicious to bad we didnt elect jesse jackson when we had a chance, then maybe he would have done something for us. and americans would had a chance to say we had a black pres. dont get me wrong, i love hugs black people. i was partialy raised by a family of color. but i still say obama is there ONLY because hes black.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I don't agree. I think Obama is there because he was like a broken record, "Hope & Change" over and over and we were so sick of everything that the majority of us voted for him. I didn't because I saw his tactics and realized he talked a lot but said very little. He could have been purple with orange polka dots and still been elected president.

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10. Justathought12 (94)   ranked 361 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Lets see PR already has a Rep. in the Houses, he can't vote but he can add earmarks to bills. From 2008 til now Luis Fortuno a Republican has added $219,413,000 worth of earmarks for PR. And what has over two hundred million dollars paid for? $33,900,000 for gravesite expansion and cemetary improvements, that one thanks to President Obama himself. $2,128,000 for a passenger ferry boat in San Juan and $240,000 for the coral reef monitoring institute. There are more and if you would like to see these and all the others you can go to www.legistorm.com/earmark... . Oh I almost forgot Guam gets earmark money, so does US Virgin Islands, oh heck just go to legistorm.com and click on earmarks and see for yourself. Enjoy, and remember I am just the messenger. don't hate me hate and vote out all encumbents.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I have voted out incumbents for the last 20 years but it hasn't done any good. I will, however, continue to do so!


Justathought12 (94)   ranked 361 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Begin to push everyone you know in your state as well as any other state you know people in, this has to be a national movement.

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