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myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking 2 years ago

ok, I teach a cooking kids to little kids on Fridays and Saturdays and this week we are going to make a dessert involving vanilla wafers. I decided that rather than buy the cookies, and I need a lot, that I would make them. I have a great recipe for homemade "Nilla" wafers so pulled it out and put it together. Because I have to make several hundred cookies, and you make them about the size of a dime, I figured the easiest way would be to pipe them through a pastry bag. I have a pastry bag that someone gave me when I graduated. Its a good, professional one but I have never taken it out of the box since I am really not a baker..I fill the bag and start piping and at first its working perfectly, pretty, exact same size little cookies and I'm knocking them out a mile a minute, UNTIL, suddenly I notice that the very soft dough is working its way up the bag the wrong way and oozing out the open end. I stop, work it back down and it odes it again. Now, I am covered with dough, so is my island, my floor, my dogs nose etc. Again I push it all down. Now from handling it so much the dough is really soft and making a huge mess. What am I doing wrong? I tried filling the bag less, same problem, the only way it worked was if I put in one spoon at a time and now I have defeated the purpose of using the bag at all. Does anyone out there know the secret of keeping the dough in the bag flowing forward, not backward and out the open end? Do you think the dough is too heavy for the bag? I'm clueless and am sitting here with about 200 more cookies to go and am back to the teaspoon method which is also going to take FOREVER! I swear, everytime I attempt to bake, some disaster happens..I really don't know why I just dont stick to what I know, cooking..Oh well, anyone with any ideas, please let me know. Thanks in advance J

 

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carmelanirel (12208) response was accepted on 5/7/2010.
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tags:  advise, baking, baking tips, batter falling out, dough
 
1. myLot reputation of 98/100. ladym33 (8108)   ranked 232 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

Usually once it seeps out the back it cause like an air opening which makes it easier for more to come out. If that happens it is best to empty the whole bag and give it a good cleaning dry and it and start over again. Also make sure you give it a couple of tight folds up at the top and be sure to kind hold it in place as you go along. It can be pretty tricky.


myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

Hi lady..Thanks, I will try that. I'm sitting here in a big mess and I just now decided to empty it all out and start from the beginning as you say..Ya know, when you watch pastry chefs pipe, they make it look sooo very easy. Yeah, right. It is not. I guess its just like everything else, it takes practice. I have fooled around with a lot of the attachments trying to do some fancy stuff with frosting..Oh my God, it looked like something out of a horror movie..Maybe in about 10 years, I'll have it down,,maybe not..Thanks for your help..J

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2. myLot reputation of 97/100. deebomb (10022)   ranked 12 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

My granddaughter works in a bakery and deals with pastry bags all the time. She suggested that you fill the bag, then close the top of the bag with a twist tie or rubber band to keep the dough from sliding backwards. You will have to work the dough down towards the tip of the bag, but the dough shouldn't leak out the back end. Once the pastry bag is empty, undo the seal, refill and repeat the process. The key thing to remember is not to get to stressed when you make a mess. "Messes happen" she says. I hope this works and good luck with the project.


myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

Hi dee..Ya know, I tried the rubber band thing but it kept sliding up too as I worked..it finally snapped (scared the heck out of me), flew across the room then I had to chase the dog and try to pry it out of her mouth. She loved the game but I was not amused..Talk about a three ring circus,,and all i wanted to do was bake a few cookies...Ay yi yi!!!


myLot reputation of 97/100. deebomb (10022)   ranked 12 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

Ill bet it wasn't funny at the time. Maybe you could fill the bag with less dough. whn I see my granddaughter doing cakes for her friends the pastry bag looks like it had about 3 cups of frosting.

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12208)   ranked 47 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

lol sorry sulsisels, didn't mean to laugh, but I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't know if I can explain this, but there is a way to avoid the batter from popping out the top.

I learned this when I took a cake decorating class years ago. After filling the bag no more than 3/4 of the way, you flatten the top and fold one side down, then the other, and then the middle. As you empty the bag, you can keep rolling the fold like you would a tube of toothpaste.

I hope that helps. I know it would if it made sense..lol


myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

AH HA!!! I knew there was a simple solution..Thanks Carm..Next time I use it I shall use your techinque..You have saved the day and my sanity!! I ended up finishing with tea spoons..A project I thought would be done in an hour turned into all afternoon..next time I decide to make "Nilla" wafers, they will be the large size, and if that dosen't exist, it will when I'm done!! Thanks again..J


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12208)   ranked 47 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

I'm just sorry I didn't get back online earlier to let you know right away. But you'll know next time..:)


myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

Yeah, I'll know that buying them isn't so expensive after all!! Thanks for you help!


myLot reputation of 96/100. carmelanirel (12208)   ranked 47 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

Thanks for the BR and let me know when you try this again and how it works out..:)

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35316)   ranked 3 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

Your discussion certainly entertained us. I was going to suggest not filling so full and folding the top down. It looks as if you got very detailed instructions. It has been ages since I have piped anything with a pastry bag.


myLot reputation of 96/100. sulsisels (948)   ranked 48 out of 8,636 in cooking  2 years ago

GG..and it will be ages before that pastry bag makes an appearance in my kitchen again. Ages and Ages!!

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5. myLot reputation of 94/100. sender621 (12066)   ranked 101 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

I have tried the pastrt bag before. unfortunately, my attempts have been unsuccessful. My talents don't seem to fall into the category of pastry bag rewards.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. Christmas2006 (830)   ranked 106 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

Iam so sorry I never found this discussion before I could have told you how to do it. Folding is one way also you can fill it, and for beginners I would suggest nomore then 1/2 full then TWIST the top tight and squeeze down from the top, retwisting as you go. you never said how big your bag was. I use the pastry bags and a large star tip all the time to fill deviled eggs. I also use them and the large star tip to frost cupcakes. Once you learn the technique they are lots of fun. This year for Easter I made sugar cookies for the kids and gave them pastry bags and tips and let them decorate. I was amazed at how well my 2 year old did with it, I think we were all speechless with her.

One thing that I do with the bags is use a spatula to push the frosting/filling down. I untwist then straighten out my bag, lay it on the counter then just push down on the outside of the bag. If you want to take a look at the cakes I have done you can see them in my photos.

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)   ranked 26 out of 8,636 in cooking   2 years ago

Hi Sulsi
I am no help to you there sorry, as I am useless at baking lol
It is strange though that this is Happening the Idea of it is that you can do it faster and it is suppose to be so much easier
I hope that someone has advise for you

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8. myLot reputation of 43/100. spacedementia (155)   2 years ago

I see you've gotten some good tips. Also, if it was leaking out because it was softer than it should have been, try chilling the dough for a bit.

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