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myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics 2 years ago

In what is developing into a standoff between states and the federal government that could be bigger than gun control or even health care, 17 states have launched versions of Arizona's immigration law, even as federal officials say they may not bother to process illegal aliens caught by the states.

William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, which has been trying to get officials to address the open southern border for years, warned the consequences could be dire.

"Over the last couple days, Obama and the chief of ICE have refused to honor their oaths of office," he said. "Their constitutional requirement is to enforce existing laws.

"They've told the American public to go eat cake," he said.

His organization is assembling the list of state efforts to emulate the Arizona law, which makes it illegal under state as well as federal law to be in the state without documentation.

"Seventeen states are now filing versions of Arizona's SB 1070, which is designed to help local police enforce America's existing immigration laws," ALIPAC said in a report today.

The report said numerous national and local polls indicate 60 to 81 percent of Americans support local police enforcing immigration laws.

"Our national network of activists have been working overtime trying to help the state of Arizona and the brave Arizonans who have passed this bill," he said. "Arizona no longer stands alone and we have now documented state lawmakers filing, or announcing they will file, versions of the Arizona bill in seventeen states! We will not stop until all states are protected from invasion as required by the U.S. Constitution."

Gheen said the states where some form of immigration crackdown is under development include Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.

President Obama several times has said he doesn't like the Arizona law. He's called it misguided and ordered a review by the Justice Department.

John Morton, who heads the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, said his agency might not process illegal aliens caught under state jurisdiction, the Chicago Tribune reported.

He insisted that only the federal government should respond to the problem.

"I don't think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution," Morton said.

One blogger expressed concern that "a senior Homeland Security official has openly declared that he won't be doing his job."

"Morton has sworn an oath to uphold the laws of the United States. He is not allowed to pick and choose which ones he likes and which he doesn't."

Gheen said the Arizona law and the plans it has spawned in other states is a victory for Americans. But he said those are just battles, and winning the war will require success in elections this fall.

A "comprehensive" solution to the problem will arrive when there are enough "hostile" members of Congress to tell the administration to uphold the existing immigration and border laws or the impeachments will start, he said.

"[We need to send] to Washington a hostile Congress that is going to encircle the executive branch and tell them to [follow the law] or we'll impeach all the way down to the speaker of the House," he said.

Gheen said he is alarmed over the pending release, expected sometime just before the election, of a movie called "Machete," which reportedly is the story of a Mexican uprising in the United States.

Gheen said the message in the movie reportedly is that Americans will either submit to the "rape" of their land or else.

He said he believes the project is intended to create turmoil just as the mid-term elections draw near.

"There is nothing as important right now as getting [people] fully involved with all the campaigns," he said.

ALIPAC already has helped to pass some form of immigration enforcement legislation in more than 30 states. And Gheen has developed a national reputation for defeating socially progressive plans to hand out licenses, in-state tuition and other taxpayer benefits to illegal aliens.
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My question is : Are government official allowed to choose which laws they will uphold or just ignore and if so who has the deciding word on which laws should just be ignored. Must the American people also be given a reason why a law was ignored?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35275)   2 years ago

I do not believe there should be picking and choosing about which laws are enforced, just as there should be no picking and choosing about which laws are obeyed. It would be chaos if I for instance felt that I should be able to drive as my friends in Europe, on the other side of the road way. Especially if there were others making this choice, but not everyone. In short, I think we have some people in the federal government driving on the wrong side of the road.

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2. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lakota12 (23197)   ranked 122 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Really no one is above the law no matter what they think that they are.
THis has been federal law for as long as I can remeber that illeagles are illeagle and tey shold be sent back .
and any state shouild be able to pass the same law as soveriegn styates!!!!!


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6778)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

If I remember correctly the federal law, which is doesn't require reasonable suspicion like Arizona's law, was adopted in 1920 so aside from any 90+ mylotters, that law's been around for as long as any of us can remember.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lakota12 (23197)   ranked 122 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Taskr
My mom might remeber it lol but yup been around along time!

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. sumofalltears (2673)   2 years ago

All I can say is thank god its about time we the people stood up and made a statement. The American people have been way to complacent in their elected officials and their performance. Finally they have realized that enough is enough and are going to start fighting back, I only hope that it isn't too late.

The political system is far from perfect but it is the only thing that keeps us from total anarchy and the people have been allowing their trust to be raped and pillaged by politicians that are too power hungry to be true leaders. Power hungry people can't serve the people they can only serve themselves at the expense of the people who elected them.

I am hoping things can escalate to the point where the politicians are forced to listen to the people and I hope it can be done without violence and before it is too late....in many respects it seems as if this country has already been sold down the river.

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4. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 90 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

No they can not ignbore these laWS. Our esteemed President seems to have an uncanny ability to promote division in our great country. He started with the haves and the have nots (I am a have not by the way) and has now moved on to an out and out racial/culture war. This scares the hell out of me and I really do not know where this will leave us.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I have always been an optimist and this is the first time in my long life that my optimism is failing me. Sadly I foresee a very sad future for the USA unless Obama and his band of henchmen which includes his staff and czars are stopped.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 90 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Ya know, had you told me when I was in high school that our country might get this close to a civil war, I would have laughed at you. Maybe it is me, but the thoughts and attitudes of the country should cause anybody to pause. I see a lot of potential here and I really do not want to see it happen.It scares me, and what scares me even more are the citizens that support this type of idea and behavior

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5. KathysLaw (88)   ranked 1,974 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

In my opinion we do need laws enforced! But, the law has to be enforced by the right agencies.A state like AZ is wrong for taking matters in their own hands. That's like if they kill your mom and you go after the killer. There is a reason why laws are in place and you can never take it upon yourself. I don't think the AZ law will go far. Too many lawsuits, and even if it last AZ wll go bankrupt with all the l,lawsuits pending to come.


myLot reputation of 51/100. oneidmnster (1049)   ranked 957 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

People can't take the law into their owm hands.States have the right to inact laws that will help their state.The U.S. government refuses to enforce our immigration laws.Someone needs to before we're turned into a third world country.We all know that Obama doesn't have a backbone when it comes to our country.Maybe if other states pass laws like Arizonas,our government will start caring about what the people want.I doubt it,but we can hope.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

KathysLaw...8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien. This has been a law for many years but has never been enforced. It is about time that other states follow Arizona's excellent example!
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1325.html

BTW I hope that your ID is just a joke!! If your response is anything to go by.!rofl


myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 1,002 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

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6. myLot reputation of 69/100. BlueGoblin (1914)   ranked 915 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

All states need to be tougher on illegal immigration and thanks to Arizona more states will be.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I agree! Lately it seems that our government does not give a damn about the American people.angry


myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 1,002 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

WHITEHEATHER: "Seems!?" Get rid of that wimpy qualifier, gal. Only an Obama Kool-ade drinker would deny it's true! It's time to speak plainly, clearly, & LOUDLY!

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7. myLot reputation of 91/100. speakeasy (1894)   ranked 60 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

No, government officials do not have the right to pick and choose which laws to enforce or not.

However, they have been doing that for a long time at ALL levels of government and we have been letting them get away with it. How many of our local police officers ignore local laws like "spitting on the sidewalk" or "making a lane change or turn without a turn signal"? Many of the police officers regularly violate these laws themselves. That is also why so many judges try to be lenient with drunk drivers as long as no one is hurt (it could have been them doing the drunk driving, they just didn't get caught).

Obama did not help himself when he and Calderon both stood there making disparaging comments about Arizona and their illegal immigration law. You do not publicly chastize your own people while buddying up to an outsider. Mexico has worse penalties for illegal immigrants in their country and treats them much worse than we treat illegal immigrants. Their president has no right to come to our country and put us down when his own track record is so poor. Maybe Obama should go to Mexico and run for President there if he likes the Mexican people and government so much.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

thumbupWhat a great idea! Let him go to Mexico and run for president but I'm not so sure Mexico would want him!


myLot reputation of 91/100. speakeasy (1894)   ranked 60 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Perhaps what he really wants is the border down and one President for both countries - him?

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8. myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7424)   ranked 76 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Good for those 17teen states. As long as you impeach all the way down to the Speaker of the House I am with you but not just Obama or not just Obama and Biden.

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9. myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)   2 years ago

Wonder who side is Barack Hussein Obama really on,for me I knew who Obama was that is why I voted against him Nov 4,2008 and very dam glad that I did the right thing for my country.
In my opinion it has been a total disgrace to have the Mexican president on our congress floor in the first place,he is a man that governors a country out of control with every kind of crime that is thinkable.
Thousands of drug related murders in Mexico just last year,peoples body found cut a part in bags all along the Mexican boarder.
Parents are fearful to walk their children to school in the day light,the Mexican people live in real fear of their life's 24-7.
Arizona God bless them they are doing what our government officials for years has refuse to do deport illegals in our country.
We the people for the most part has came to the sad realization it is we the people against a regime that fully intends to destroy our country.
Both the one that holds the title of the president of the United States and the president of Mexico are a total disgrace.




(MEXICO IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE ENFORCED READ THEIR LAWS AT THE LINK BELOW)

http://www.canadafreepres...

Mexico which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it's noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
# in the country legally;
# have the means to sustain themselves economically;
# not destined to be burdens on society;
# of economic and social benefit to society;
# of good character and have no criminal records; and
# contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:
# immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
# foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
# foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;
# foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
# foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
# those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Poblacion, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

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10. myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 1,002 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

To question ONE: NO.
To question TWO: ABSOLUTIVELY!!!!!

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