I already ate PORK then I CAN'T go to the HEAVEN anymore when i die....

@ryanong (9664)
Vietnam
May 24, 2012 1:20am CST
I have no religion at all but i have one friend he is Muslim. When i go out with him to have meals together, i always order beef or fish dishes for myself because i know that he can't eat pork then i don't want to eat pork in front of him. And more, this time i really don't enjoy with eating pork also. One time, he told me: Ryan, you already ate pork, you cannot go to heaven anymore when you die...Huh? why? i have no religion at all then eating pork is normal to me, but why i can not go to the heaven after i die? I could ask him why, but at that time i kept silent... Is it true? We can go to the heaven later when we die if we have religion only???
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@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
29 May 12
I have a Muslim friend who has eaten pork and he never has any issues with it going to heaven or not. It's actually in the bible in the book Leviticus, that pork is not allowed to be eaten by us. But, it doesn't say we can't go to heaven. Even if I have a religion, I still do eat pork our priests even eats pork. So they would also be unable to go to heaven then?
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@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
29 May 12
Surely he will also not go to heaven in that case. If it's a sin for Muslims to eat pork, maybe they can confess it to their God and be forgiven by doing the deed. Anyway, each religion has it's beliefs so we only have to respect that no matter how we find it funny sometimes
@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
3 Jun 12
Lol, that will be another story. He might take a pause before answering
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
2 Sep 12
He may laugh and then say: I didnt intend to do it..but it happened...
@youless (114117)
• Guangzhou, China
24 May 12
I don't have the religion, too. In fact you don't eat the pork in front of your friend because you want to respect his religion. Sometimes I found the people who have religion don't really think about others who have another different religion or don't have the religion at all. If there was a heaven, then I thought good people could go there. It doesn't matter whether you have eaten pork or not. Because the heaven is for the good people rather than the people who are non-pork eaters. I love China
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@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
24 May 12
ya, i didn't eat pork in font of my Muslim friend but i did eat pork before because i have no religion at all, then i can eat any type of food. Based on what you said, i think i have enough condition to ascend to heaven later... because i am a good person. I have no big sin at all.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
oh, really? then it is nice...
@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
You guys can eat anything in front of me.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
25 May 12
Entry into the kingdom of God is not base on what you eat, it is much more complicated than that, by eating pork, you may not qualify to enter your friend's divine domain, but you still can enter heaven or even paradise no matter what you eat. Eating pork only disqualify your eligibility to enter into your friend's fantasy's land not heaven of God.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
27 May 12
The way i see about Kingdom of God is that no one is allowed to enter no matter you eat pork, beef, cockroach, chicken, snake, fish or frog. As a mortal, you only can enter Paradise or Hell or continue to stay on earth eating your pork as your body is well nourished to live for hundred of years. Unless you believe your muslim friend is God, then i suggest you better stop eating pork immediately before he ban your entry into heaven forever once he get angry. If not, you may want to find other friend that can accept you as who you are rather than judge you by what you eat or what religion you believe. Just be careful, my friend!!
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
hihih, i like your thinking: Eating pork only disqualify your eligibility to enter into your friend's fantasy's land not heaven of God. God is fair and generous with all not with only Muslim people, people said that, then i believe God bless me too.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
27 May 12
hihihi. I don't eat pork whenever i eat in front of him... He is nice guy, i think then he won't do anything harm me, then don't worry. It is just his opinion and i don't mind about it more...
@Devilova (5392)
• Indonesia
24 May 12
God so fairly, all people will go to taste the heaven for every goodness they have made. When their goodness deposit reach the limit, they will enter the hell. Just my though, cause only God who know about it. Sometime, people got mistake for translating the Qur'an. I am a muslim and that was my opinion. Wallahu'alam.
@Devilova (5392)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
I give you an example, try to figure it out by yourself. You get an exam with 10 question, if your answer correct you get 10 but if you fault you get -10. Like I have said before, there is something forbiden to be done. If you do this, it will decrease your goodness.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
24 May 12
You may right, God knows all about it and if a guy makes enough goodness he can go to heaven later, and reverse. It is not depended on what we eat daily.
@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
@Devilova: Sometimes, people don't read the Qur'an carefully as well. Even people with so many sins can still enter the heaven if they do the taubat.
• Canada
25 May 12
You can't not have a religion. You're religion is your beliefs about morality and the paranormal. You can have a vague religion but you can't no religion. As others have stated, I don't think anybody can say who will go to heaven or not, except God, but sometimes we have strong suspicions. Why do people feel that they need to be so careful not to offend Muslims? They don't care as much about not offending followers of other religions. Perhaps you should ask your Muslim friends if it's right to marry a six year old, like Mohammad did.
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@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
In fact i have no religion at all. I know a bit about Buddhist, Muslim, Christians...via my friends only and i greatly respect religions, it is so interesting. Ya, i heard you guys in here told that also: God is a person who decides you can go to heaven or not, not you at all. i think my friend maybe wrong when he said like that..
• United States
25 May 12
i have a religion and i eat pork...i like food and im not gonna stop eating what i like to eat because of someone elses belief...that them if they dont want to enjoy the good foods this world has to offer then that on them...it doesnt say anywhere in the bible that u cannot eat pork....maybe it say that in his book then that bring up the dissuccion of which religion is correct...im not trying to start a religion war in here but how can one religion differ so much from the other but we all suppose to believe in one being..but anywho, pork is ok with me i have plenty of muslim friend and u can ask each and every one of em i'll eat the biggest pork chop sandwhich with hot sause right in their face and dare anyone to say something about it... as long as u have ur own understanding and ur own relationship with what ever u believe then you are your only critic..
• Canada
25 May 12
RandyPatric, what Bible are you reading? Levi 11:7 "while the pig is unclean for you, because, although it has a separate and completely divided hoof, it doesn't chew the cud." Can't get much clearer than that! ryanong, your Muslim friend seems rather inconsistent with how he follows Islam.
@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
@Randy: Dear Randy, chill out my friend. See my nickname and I'm a Muslim. And you can read my comment below. I agree with you for not starting the war but I have to make you understand that Ryan's friend doesn't read the Book carefully. It is he that has the false understanding. People like him, who has this kind of false understanding that can start this religion war. I don't like that either. I'm not a religious person, I used to eat pork as well before I start to learn my religion deeply. I live in a family with multiple religions (my uncle and aunt are Christians, my grandparents from my dad are Buddhist). So difference are okay with me. My dad used to read carefully the reasons why we are, as Muslims, not allowed or allowed to do things and he used this knowledge to explain to my grandmother to make her understand why we won't eat pork anymore. And she understands it well. So even if you eat this biggest pork chop sandwich with hot sauce right in front of my face, I would only say "go for it, man!"
@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
@Ryan: Rules are made to be broken my friend. Heheheheh... Those friends of yours are not that religious as well then. Just like me.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
25 May 12
If someone believes that the gates of heaven are forever closed to them if they eat pork, then I can only assume that their god is a pig!
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
25 May 12
Honestly i really don't know much about religion till i meet my Muslim friends. Then i know about God, heaven... When he told me like that, i was sad a bit..because if he is right, then it is not fair at all since i am a good person (many people said that). I don't pray God everyday but i believe God bless me too...
@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
@Djbtol: Please my friend, don't judge people too quickly. It's God we're talking about, and even not only Muslims will be offended by such words. And I'm a Muslim. I have to admit that Ryan's Muslim friend does not read our Holy Book carefully nor he learns about it carefully. I have to say sorry for his behalf, but please don't say anything about God is a pig. For any other religions as well. I respect people's faith or choice for their lives, but it is not our decision to judge others' faith as well. If you assume God is a pig, then what are you? A pig as well? Because I believe there is only one God. Just like there is only one Rome. It is our decisions to take the way to Rome, either you fly or swim or walk, or take the bus or train. That's just the same, it is our decisions to take our ways to heaven as well. God bless, my friend.
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• United States
25 May 12
kmsl, amen to that
@choybel (5042)
• Philippines
24 May 12
As far as I know, God even chose sinners to be prophets in the Bible and if I am not mistaken they are probably in heaven now, so I don't think eating pork alone would be reason enough to disallow you to enter heaven.
• United States
24 May 12
I agree with you. I am Christian so I do believe that a sinner can find a place beside God. I grew up not by religion but buy faith. I do not always go to church as I do not want to be influenced by man but I only want to learn from what God shows me. I am not perfect but through Christ I believe I am saved. I have always believed in loving everyone even my enemy's for it is not my place to judge. I may not like or even approve a persons actions or choices, however; I do have to love the person as if they are my family. Living by this makes it easier for me to accept people for who they are not by what they do.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
25 May 12
Thank you for your sharing...I know more about religions now...
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
25 May 12
@Sandra_Hatfield: I have no religion but somehow i believe in God especially when i get upset, sorrow, etc in my life. You are such a nice person, and i am sure God always bless you.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
26 May 12
There is more to any religion than one's diet.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
27 May 12
When I mentioned diet in relation to religion, I did not mean that anyone needed to lose weight. I referring to restrictions placed on people because of their religion. Muslims are not the only ones who can't eat pork. It is forbidden for orthodox Jews, also. In fact, their meat has to be slaughtered in a certain way top be kosher (allowed). Many Catholics still eat only fish on Fridays. What I meant to say is that denying yourself certain foods is only a small part of religion. Jesus said that the most important commandment is to love God with your whole being and the second one is like unto it: to love one's neighbor as yourself. Ask your friend if his god is a forgiving god.
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@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
27 May 12
Ah, i understand your meaning now. The second one is love the neighbors as yourself...hihihi, if all people can do it...then this world is so nice and wonderful, full of peace..
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
I can't take diet because i am too slim now so that i need eat variety of food type. My friend is good when he follow his religion: don't eat pork. Some Buddhist people, they are vegetarian, never eat meat also. I think having religion is very good also...
@adhyz82 (36248)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
if you are not moslem , why you must think about it?? iam moslem and i think the rule is like that..and i follow what my religion taught at me...
@adhyz82 (36248)
• Indonesia
26 May 12
iam moslem ryanong.. it is HARAM..it means that we get sin.. the sinner people can find a place beside God, as long as he did not do an action called MUSYRIK or SYIRIK (in our religion opinion) what is MUSYRIk or SYIRIK?? if they admit that there are another God beside one God (in our religion opinion) and admit that there are another prophet after Mohammad....
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@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
Umh, i have no religion but since i know a bit about muslim so that i have to think of his talk...What is your religion?
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
Ah, you are Muslim also, so that the rule is you can't go to heaven if you already eat pork??? is it true? But i heard people in here say a sinner can find a place beside God also.
@lady1993 (27221)
• Philippines
24 May 12
I don't believe it is what we eat or what comes into our mouth that will determine our fate. You may have a religion or not, as long as you don't worship any false gods and stay a good person i am sure you will go to Heaven.
@lady1993 (27221)
• Philippines
24 May 12
Yes, in our religion we believe that God is fair and He gives lots of chances to sinners.. it doesn't even matter how bad you are as long as before you die you really repent and regret the bad stuff you did..
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
25 May 12
Really? It means even the bad people still have a chance ascend to heaven if before they die they really repent and regret the bad stuff that they did??? God is so generous, i think.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
24 May 12
Ya, you are right...he doesn't eat pork because of his religion, i have no religion then i did eat pork, but i am a good person too, then i can still ascend to heaven after i die, it is fair, i think...
@Yheart (496)
• Indonesia
3 Jun 12
I see you have a consideration for other people. I bet you're a nice person. Well... different religion people may say different about this thing. It's rather difficult to talk about it. But, do you believe in heaven?
@Yheart (496)
• Indonesia
14 Jun 12
Kashimir? Where's that? When you go there, make sure start a discussion about it. I'd like to know how it looks.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
15 Jun 12
Kashimir is near India and Parkitan. Ya, i heard that...then i really want to go there to see how the heaven is...but return tickets to there is quite expensive, around $1000, so that i have to save hard to have enough money for going to there.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
7 Jun 12
hihihi, in fact i am a nice person... I don't have a religion so that i am so curious how the heaven is... One my friend told me that Kashimir is the heaven on this earth so that i really hope i could visit there to see how the heaven looks. Do you have a religion?
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
29 Jun 12
In order to go to Heaven: 1. Do not eat pork 2. Do not eat blood or received a blood from blood bank 3. Do not eat meat when its Good Friday 4. And do not eat anything at all when its Ramadan
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
1 Jul 12
Huh? is it? but i am not a muslim gal, then how?
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
1 Jul 12
Based on what you told..then now i could understand why my friend told me that i could not go to heaven later...because i used to eat meat.... By the way, it is ok...i don't have a religion but i always to be a good person...Then God will still bless me...
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
1 Jul 12
1. Do not eat pork is showing respect to Buddhism 2. Do not eat blood or recieve blood from blood bank is to show respect to Jehovah's witnesses 3. Do not eat meat when its Good Friday is showing respect to Roman Catholic 4. And do not eat anything at all if its Ramadan is showing respect to Muslim To follow all these numbers from 1 to 4 will Gods out there will surely understand.
24 May 12
In the bible records God allowed the eating of meats including pork after the flood in Noah's day. Only the blood in it was ordered not to eat but there is nowhere in the bible we can read that eating of meat or pork was forbidden. Another thing, humans are to live here on earth. No humans can ascend to heaven since the heaven is a place where spirits creatures do belong. There are only limited number of persons who will ascend to heaven and will totally transform themselves from human body to spiritual ones. I know we have differences in belief but I respect everyone's beliefs here.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
24 May 12
Oh, your information is very informative. Thank you. You said there is some people who will ascend to heaven only...then what are the conditions these people can ascend to heaven later?
• Canada
25 May 12
jobfindonline, you haven't got your facts right. Levi 11 and Deut 14 give laws about what food can be eaten and pork is excluded: http://www.hoshanarabbah.org/food.html. The thing about there only being a certain number (144,000) of places in heaven comes from the Jehovah's Witnesses who are heretics. It's generally accepted by Christians that all Christians will go to heaven and all those who reject the gospel will go to hell. What happens to people who never hear the gospel is less clear. There are also complications for those who are still alive when Jesus returns or the rapture happens (I don't believe in the rapture). The Biblical basis for this is complicated.
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@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
Oh, it seems so complicated...after reading, i really don't know who is right...
@KrauseHome (36445)
• United States
27 May 12
Well, to him, this is the Muslim religion and the way he feels and has been brought up, as there are other people out there who believe other ways, but to say someone who has ever ate Pork cannot go to heaven, to me is like how can we know if you can go to heaven or not until you die, and no food out there is going to help make that decision and the way you have been here while on this earth.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
28 May 12
You maybe right, some people who never eat pork but they can't go to heaven later also. I have no religion then i still eat pork so far even though currently i don't eat pork regularly, my favorite is fishes now. But i still believe that God bless me and i still have a chance to be beside God later. Do you have religion?
• United States
25 May 12
If he is correct , then there are many a Christian that is going to be Pi$$ed! No what he should have said , if you are a Muslim , eating pork would prevent you from getting into heaven. As a non believer you can eat what you want! In my religion pork is a no no too but many Reformed Jews Do eat pork. Let those devout call me a heathen but I think as long as you are as good as you can be, as kind and understanding as you can be , you will get to heaven.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
26 May 12
hihihi, eating pork in Muslim is illegal so that he told me that, i think. Well, i don't mind about his talk much since i have no religion and eating pork is not harm to me. You are right, we can have a chance to go to heaven since we are a good person...
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• India
2 Jun 12
You will definitely go to heaven because God is merciful.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
2 Jun 12
Thank you. many people said that also and i hope God bless me. Are you muslim?
@sishy7 (27166)
• Australia
24 May 12
I don't understand how anyone can be so SURE that someone will or will not go to heaven. I think no one know for sure what will happen at the end when your time in this life is up. You may see someone who seems to do nothing but good all the time, but he still may not go to heaven straight away if he ends up doing something that will prevent him from going to heaven at the very last second of his life. On the other hand, someone like your friend thinks you will not go to heaven; how does he know that for sure? He forgets that there is something beyond his control that somehow may guide someone to the path of heaven.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
24 May 12
I understand your sharing. Maybe my friend is religious person so that in his mind if anyone who ate pork can not ascend to heaven later. I don't know at all, with him eating pork is a sin based on his religion but with me, eat pork is normal because i have no religion at all. However, i heard that a good people can ascend to heaven..then i think i may ascend to heaven later....because i am the good person...
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@Shavkat (141905)
• Philippines
31 Aug 12
It is a matter of respecting the doctrines of other religions. That what they believed, so we need to be sensitive not to question the beliefs.
@ryanong (9664)
• Vietnam
1 Sep 12
Yes, i know..that's why at that time i didnt ask him back a reason why...But since i openned this topic, i know more about muslim.