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bama_bug (58)3 years ago

I am a citizen of the United States and was taught English as my national language.But it seems lately that so many non-English speaking people are in our country,not learning the language and taking all the jobs!How many people have spent alot of time on the phone trying to get help with something and spent alot of time just trying to understand what the person on the other end was saying because their English wasn't so good,Or the doctor you have to take your kids to because of your insurance is foreign and you have a hard time understanding them and wonder if the truly understand you

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 97/100. favorgrays (1647)   3 years ago

I feel in my own opinion that there is a great importance in this topic. Although you do have to give it some time for foreigners to learn english in the USA. English is a tough language to learn, so it is said. As far as taking all the jobs? I'm not too sure of that. I do find it takes patience when one can't understand the other.

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2. myLot reputation of 76/100. bhuvahsya (1663)   3 years ago

There is a fault in your discussion?. In US you got to know English in order to secure a job? Even those immigrants you are talking about will not get a US visa under "Skilled Manpower" category issued by the US consulate in their home country, if they do not know English properly. Please go thru the TOEFL scores by ETS, you will find many top scorers from non-english speaking countries.


bama_bug (58)  3 years ago

mostly of whom I have to deal with the most is Spanish speaking immigrants who are in this country probably illegally.In such jobs as construction,and general labor not test or correct use of language is required and they will generally work for less pay than most Americans therefore business owners will go with a cheaper alternative.

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3. flipincat (89)   3 years ago

I agree if you come to the US then know how to speak English this is a English speaking country. It really annoys me. like when you call your cell phone company or something and they ask if you prefer it in spanish. If I went to Russia I would be expected to speak thier language shouldnt that apply here too? I think so.


bama_bug (58)  3 years ago

I agree with you,but it isnt just the cell phone company it is almost everywhere you call.I understand that this country was formed for the freedom of everyone but I think there should be some more resources put into effect that would require an audible level of english to be used and understood before gaining employment in this country were you would have to deal directly with the public,and at the current rate of Spanish speaking immigrants in our country that Spanish should be taught in our public schools starting in Kindergarten.


TanTushy55 (37)  3 years ago

AMEN BamaBug!!! that's what I AM SHOUTING girlfriend!! If they stay over a week here; they need to FLUENTLY properly speak OUR language. I have no problem with anyone working; but not the way illegals do. It is a direct affront to my familys' living.I know first hand what its like to see a foreigner doing a job that should have been given to ENGLISH speaking people.I just about guarantee you that they feel the same way when english ONLY speaking AMERICANS go to their country.
And if I should ever choose to go to another country(but why should I huh?LOL)I will not go without a working knowledge of THEIR language!!!

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4. myLot reputation of 33/100. urbandekay (4295)   3 years ago

Hi,

I'm a Brit but I agree and we have a similar problem here. Most importantly if should be a parents responsibility to produce their child at school in a fit state to be educated and that includes a reasonable ability in the English language. Recently, here a girl was arrested because she complained that the girls she was in a group working with spoke no English! It is unfair on those Children that do speak good English.

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5. myLot reputation of 93/100. edhel2005 (247)   3 years ago

Yeah you're right mostly, as long as the foreigners are in your country they should learn your languange, especially if they have jobs that requires them to speak to people and to be able to clearly understand them. In their private time they can speak whatever language they want, but at work they should speak english and speak it well

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6. myLot reputation of 88/100. itsjustmeb (783)   3 years ago

I think if you go to a new country, ANY new country, and you expect to obtain employement, you should learn the language which is being spoken. I mean the same would happen if you went to another country (not the US or Canada, I mean) and if you wanted to work, you would need to know how to communicate with others in that country.

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7. myLot reputation of 90/100. ernst111 (4134)   3 years ago

In my opinion, it is for the best of the foreigners and immigrants who come to the United States of America to live there and work to really learn the English language. This way, they would be able to adapt better to the American culture and way of living. English is a language by which everyone use to communicate in the United States, so all newcomers must really learn how to speak it.

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8. mrstigs (62)   3 years ago

While I agree that you should speak the language of the country you live in one of the things that a lot of people don't realize is that the USA has no official language. While english is the language de facto (which is latin for "in practice") it has never been formally declared the national language.


myLot reputation of 87/100. Poofs_that_r_cheesy (200)  3 years ago

Just because there is no "Offical Language" that is not an excuse for not learning it if you are going to life/work in another country. That kind of symantecs is what I lovingly calling pulling the fly Sh-t out of the pepper.


myLot reputation of 94/100. prettypinkbug (315)  3 years ago

Mrstigs, I agree with you. The fact is, there is NOT an official language here. I think that people are just rude and impatient here. Give people a break! I think people are a bit afraid that they won't understand a person with a deep accent when they start talking to them which brings on a bit of anxiety, or they are afraid to ask them to repeat what they said. It is probably mostly spanish speaking people that are the topic of this discussion. Why can't we Americans learn another language? Why can't we try to adapt instead of getting angry?


myLot reputation of 98/100. spiritwolf52 (2099)  3 years ago

Why can't we learn another language? Why should we? Foreigners come to the States expecting a better life. If they want to be a part of the American culture, then please learn the language. If they want to be here, then learn English. If they don't want to learn English, then maybe they shouldn't be here. I have come across quite a few people that refused to learn English. That to me is rude. Live in the States, learn the language. It shouldn't be the other way around.

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9. myLot reputation of 85/100. boogasmom (143)   3 years ago

I think anyone that comes to this country to stay should learn English. It is not our job to conform to thier way of life in thier country. This is our birth country in which we were taught it's language. Just like if we were born in another country we would have been taught it's language. Just because you were not born here, does not mean that you shouldn't have to learn at least some of the language. Make an effort at least.

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10. myLot reputation of 91/100. gifana (2250)   3 years ago

Not me. They are free to learn the languages they choose. I think it is high time that more Americans started learning to speak, or at least read, other languages....they might get a better perspective of what is really going on in the real world. We as Americans (or the Brits for that matter) are in no position to make any "foreigner" learn English.

However, I will subdivide this posting and say that if foreigners plan to make their residence or become citizens then in that case I do think they should learn the language at leaast enough to understand others and make their words understandable. As a resident in Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries I made it a point to learn their language..it was not up to them to speak English. At first it was hard but with practice, as in anything else, it becomes easier. The only country where I lived that I was unable to learn the language was South Vietnam. Fortunately most of them spoke French which I understood tho could not speak. And a few of them spoke English, mainly because of the US and Australian troops deployed there.

We Americans must get off our high horses and not feel that the world should come to us. We have to get on ours and meet them half way, at least.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Shar11 (287)  3 years ago

I agree with a lot of what you say here..America is changing and sometimes change is hard but it's not always a negitive thing either..
As an English speaking person working in a hospital I made it a point to learn some basic Spanish because a large majority of my patients were Spanish..I didn't see it as a bad thing..It was actually great to learn to speak another language and I felt I could be a better nurse if I made that effort to understand people who spoke a different language..And a lot of these people were learning English but as someone else said..It isn't easy so why not meet half way?
I spent a summer in Belgium and spent 6 weeks studying Flemish before I went. I found most people there actually would go right to English when I began talking to them in the little Flemish I knew, but they still felt I showed some respect for trying..
It goes both ways I guess...We need to be more tolerant and respectful of each other...


emuoilLady (8)  3 years ago

I work with a lot of Spanish speaking clients, both legal & illegal. There is a lot of fear in the Hispanic community, partly for reason, partly because of misinformation. I, myself, have tried to learn to speak Spanish--and although I understand it & even read it, I am horrible at speaking it. English IS a tough language, we don't designate the masculine/feminine nearly as much and writing English is even harder to do, many US born citizens can't spell, or read our birth language, which is another topic.

On another note, I am a first generation American. My father came here from Germany during a time when Germans were as unpopular as some other miniorities are now. He was disciplined---badly---in school (this was before physical punishment became illegal in schools) for answering a teacher in German. He didn't know a word of English at that time. The beating he got wasn't deserved & never was apologized for, even when my grandparents went to the principal to find out why my father had been beaten so badly. In that case, the teacher was ignorant in my opinion, let alone a few other things. My point though, is my dad did learn English & very well. He didn't expect everyone to change their own language to suit his; he didn't think it was a hardship for him to learn it. Considering his first experiences with the American way of doing things, I'm very grateful he rose above the first negative attitudes he encountered (the teacher's maninly). It was difficult for him to learn English (and especially for my grandparents) at first, but it did get easier, as mentioned before. He went on to seve in the Navy for 23 years before his death. Dad was very proud to have become an American. He kept his hertitage, while being very proud to be an American.

Haven't you seen how children will pick up the language faster than their parents? This is true of Spanish speaking people or any other people with a different language.

More tolerance---on both sides--- is definitely needed.


kwabear (31)  3 years ago

I agree with you totally!


paperduck (12)  3 years ago

I heartliy agree that everyone should learn at least one other language, but that should be a language of their choice, not one that is forced on them. America is a melting pot, and if we do not adopt some formal standard, we will soon not be able to function as a culture or country. We simply cannot do business in all of the many different languages and dialects spopken by everyone who comes here. Asking that emmigrants ( legal or illegal) make some effort to assimilate themselves into our culture, instead of asking us to adopt theirs is entirely reasonable, not arrogant. You mention that we cannot expect the world to come to us, but it seems that that is exactly the problem.

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