Do Widowers Have a Better Time?

@p1kef1sh (45681)
January 5, 2009 3:48pm CST
We went to a party thrown by a friend who was widowed five years ago. Although there were lots of people there, it was very obvious that she is missing companionship and that she'd be left alone with the post party debris. On the way home The Boss and I discussed whether if she had been a man who had lost his wife; if she would have had women buzzing round her like bees. Is it the case that when a woman is widowed that after an initial outpouring of support she is left alone. Whilst a man in the same situation finds that his female friends are a lot more attentive to him for far longer. In short - is it assumed that women cope better? If so? Why?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
5 Jan 09
More women widowed than men is my take on it. Also, my sexist remark for the day. All those widowed men are probably catting around with younger women. Not totally true, of course, but some of them are. Works the other way around though.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Jan 09
Possibly. I don't think that I would. But I prefer mature women. At least 35 and preferably older.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
5 Jan 09
funny, I feel the same about men
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@fasttalker (2796)
• United States
5 Jan 09
I do think it is assumed that women cope beter. Although I cannot answer why. When my aunt passed away we had that very scenario. That has been a little over a year ago and most of the ladies in the family either call him or go by and check on him to make sure he has what he needs etc. Now a few months ago my grandfather passed away and my grandmother is lucky if she gets a visit from anyone in the family once a week. And this is the same family! My grandmother has been through losing a son, a daughter and now a husband. Admittedly so she is a very strong lady. She raised 9 kids, lived off of next to nothing and now in her time of being alone they are all tending to her son-in-law! Go figure!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Jan 09
I can't explain it either. But that's exactly what happens.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
6 Jan 09
Do Widowers have a better time? From seeing my mother in law widowed and my grandmother no they don't. When a man is widowed he has everyone bringing him stuff and doing stuff for him and cleaning well that happens for some men..not sure about all..but with a woman it is different. I am basing my thoughts on what I seen though and it probably isn't that way for all. I don't think it is because woman cope better or grieve less, But some just think woman migh be stronger so don't need their supprt anymore just because they tyr to put on a brave face and hides their feelings..now this is only a opinion so if I am wrong,then I am wrong and just grateful that I haven't had to experience personally as of yet.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
That's what I am saying Becky. Widowed men tend to get much more attention than women. As others have said. Maybe it's becasue men are perceived as being more in need. Rightly or wrongly.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
LOL. That was just about spot on Becky. But don't say that I said so!
@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
6 Jan 09
My lips are sealed and I didn't see a thing..
• Regina, Saskatchewan
7 Jan 09
Frankly I think it goes back to the age old stereotyping of the purpose of the sexes. Women marry, have children, keep the home. When they are widowed, their "job" is done. Men are the providers and responsible for procreating. Their job is never done. Even though times have changed and women are now afforded greater status in many areas, old beliefs and attitudes linger in the primal memories. So widows are expected to remain single with dignity and decorum. But as there are more women than men in many societies, men who are single for whatever reason will always find themselves making up 'even numbers' at dinner parties and pursued. You know I'm waiting for widowhood? lol I intend to remain decorously dignified and very single!
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
7 Jan 09
Plunk/P1ke......... Really boys, I said 'very single'. I didn't say for HOW LONG! lol Plunk, your loving and giving heart could seduce me in a heartbeat should we ever meet and I was indeed available.... P1ke, we Canadians are very polite people and I would never consider 'coming for you' before the Boss had left your life........and as wives generally outlive husbands........well there you are! So stay besotted and dream only of what could have been........LOL
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
7 Jan 09
But Sparky. I thought that you were coming for me?!! Personally, I am very happy with the notion that someone might want to look after me in exchange for a little provision. However, being just a tad besotted with The Boss right now......
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@GreenMoo (11834)
8 Jan 09
I do agree that widowers may find the social aspects of being alone slightly easier, but I'm not sure that it is because others necessarily assume that women cope better. I think it's because it's just easier for single men to put themselves forwards in social situations. If you went into a pub, for instance, and saw a single lady nursing a drink you would probably look twice or assume she was waiting for someone. But single men are pretty much the mainstay of traditional British pub culture. I've no personal experience of this phenomena you understand, it's just what I observe.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
8 Jan 09
Increasingly you do see solo women in pubs. But they area "type", I don't mean loose, but often there is a kind of sadness about them, just like many of the men. I guess that the emphasis is different where you are. Women probably still don't frequent bars etc so much on their own.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
10 Jan 09
I agree with Greenmoo. Men are more likely and more able to take advantage of their new found freedom...I mean it is more acceptable for a man to be seen about town on his own. It's still not so easy for women to do this...I know I am not comfortable going to pubs or clubs on my own and the idea of eating dinner out by myself in a restaraunt or going to the cinema...is simply out of the question...I'm not a widow, merely divorced.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
11 Jan 09
P1kef1sh, I concur that the emphasis is different where I live. Single women just aren't seen in bars! The fact that I drink at all singles me out amoungst my neighbours. However, I think that women alone have the same stigma in the UK although not to the same extent. Thinking of my old local, I'd certainly have felt uncomfortable in there alone.
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@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
6 Jan 09
I may be wrong but I believe that women do cope better and it is great that she had this party.. Then again, after everyone has left and gone on with their lives, she may be just as lonely as ever.. Most women think long and hard before jumping into a new relationship but men are different animals, and I am not sure if I am saying that in jest or not.. I do believe people look at men as being more helpless than women are, whether it is the truth or not, and they want to help the man more than they do the woman.. I am sure they figure that she is capable of handling things for herself, but it isn't always true.. Also, if the old standards are true, there are more women than men, so therefore, there will be more women to help the men and less men to help the women.. She had better get out there and start scrambling, if she doesn't like the life of peace and tranquility that she is living now..
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I think in my friend's case she has a number of factors. Her children have now all left home. It was Christmas/New Year, a time when families tend to be together and she was having a party that was attended by couples mostly. She's also only 48, so no great age. I think that women view men as more helpless, and who are we to deny that when someone is standing on your doorstep clutching a stew! LOL.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
8 Jan 09
LOL. You did say it out loud!
@riyasam (16556)
• India
6 Jan 09
there are advantages and disadvantages.in our country,a lady widow is never left alone(the concept is slowly changing now).she has the support of her kids.and it is a myth that women need men and women are great actors,they like to show they are more vulnernable and that the other half is indispensable. belated happy new year.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I think that there are cultural variations Riyasam. Of course it is a myth that women need men, but I see no shame in them genuinely wanting male companionship, just as I see no shame in men wanting the friendship of women.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
6 Jan 09
I'm not really sure. I have never been a widow. My mother has been twice though and remarried. She did not weant to live life alone.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
Many don't but appear to have little choice Steph. I suspect that I would want some kind of relationship.
• India
6 Jan 09
Well, yup, widowers do have a better time, especially if their wallets are full and they can still perform well in bed. Women are usually poorer (financially) so no one wants them, especially if they have kids tagging along. Also, the male craze for virginity has something to do with it. Men want to be the first to explore...now, you may say it is different where you live...I don't know. But boys here are terrified that they might end up marrying a girl who has already lost her virginity. There is yet another reason. From times immemorial, human beings have preferred pants to skirts. Even women prefer pants to skirts. (excluding some like me, of course) Cheers and happy Mylotting
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
This is a cultural division I think. If boys had to wait for a virgin here they'd never get together with anyone! I think that having children in the equation does impact on a widow's chances of finding another mate. I like women in skirts! Call me sexist!! LOL.
@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
6 Jan 09
I feel its all about the personality..if someone is shy and withdrawn it will take longer and some people don't know how to help..but if a person is outgoing and funny they will use that as a crutch to get over their feelings and move on..people will be able to handle that easier and hang around that person feeling better and not scared of what to say or do..
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I guess that for some it's a little like dating again. Easier said than done. Many people are quite withdrawn I think and it might be easier to hide away than to get out and strut their funky stuff!
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@sweetie1026 (1718)
• Philippines
6 Jan 09
I am not a widow but i have been a single parent for 15 years. I have cope up with the hardships of bringing up my girls alone. I have lots of friends, male and female, online and friends here with me.I enjoy their friendship and company and i know i can count on them when needed. They are the reason why i have survived the trials in my life. But there will always be the time when i feel so alone, needing the company of someone special. Someone whom to be with always, as friends can't stay with me all the time. Someone to share my life with and often times it makes me feel so lonely and sometimes depressed.I know i need to be strong for my girls but i need to be strong for me too and sometimes i feel that i need someone to lean on to. But what can i do, i chose this life so i continue to live it with my girls.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
Obviously I don't know the circumstances of your single status Sweetie, but I feel that when someone is widowed it is usually different. There was no intention to split, it was forced upon the person. I admire you for what you are doing and your selflessness in bringing up your children. I think that any singleton can feel the need for intimate company from time to time, there's no crime in that.
@neuronic (242)
• Japan
6 Jan 09
I think it has to do with emotional intelligence. It is well known that woman are more emotionally attached than man, so there you got your reason for suspicion. However, I also think it is natural that after awhile you move on, and start to live your life putting your past in the safe place behind you.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I think that there comes a time when you definitely start to put the past behind you. Although Queen Victoria famously didn't! But that doesn't explain the perception that widowers receive more attention than widows.
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@neuronic (242)
• Japan
6 Jan 09
Maybe it has to do how they express themselves. I mean, we guys can be pretty straightforward and we don't choose words so carefully. Also, we know how to over react much better than woman for some reason. I've seen it too many times, perhaps that's the case here as well.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
6 Jan 09
Hi p1ke! I don't think that is always the case! My Mom has been a widower twice and lives in Florida! She always has friends wanting to fix her up! And if her last boyfriend didn't die she would have been married for the third time! She had two boyfriends and two husbands! She seemed to be doing better than most of the other widower woman! But, she is really a very beautiful and outgoing woman who most men are attracted to! And there are more women than men that are widowers in Florida! The ratio of women to men that are widowed is really unbelievable! I think it is like 10 to 1! My Mom is a hotty! She will be 78 next month!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
Florida you say Opal. I'm on my way! LOL. Good for your Mom. You're never too old to make new friends.
@Jenaisle (14079)
• Philippines
5 Jan 09
Yes, women are emotionally stronger than men. There are studies conducted which supported this theory. It is because women could cry and express their pain and sorrow outwardly and therefore could "release" all negative emotions easily. This would rejuvenate them and de-stress them easier. When a person cries (emotional stress), substances called endorphins are produced by the brain which would decrease the feeling of melancholia. That's why after crying, people "feel better" and they feel relieved because there is a physiological basis of that feeling of relief. Men on the other hand, could only do this to a certain extent (cry, wail, express extreme feelings) because of the preconceived idea set by society of what men should do. ("You are a bog boy now, stop crying." Why are you wailing, are you a sissy?" "Act like a man, don't cry.") So they're left fewer options to de-stress (most men would not wail at the top of their voices) and let go of these unwanted substances. This will be detrimental to their health as well. This is a good discussion, P1. Happy mylotting.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
So if men don't destress so readily Jen, does that mean that women feel sorry for them and rally round in a way that they might not for another woman?
@anonymili (3138)
6 Jan 09
I don't know about people assuming women cope better but if you think about it this way - stats show that women live longer than men but also it's more often than not that women marry men older than them, so it follows that many more women will be widowed compared to men. From my experience of widowed people in general and I know far more widowed women than men (family friends mostly) I do agree that it seems men get far more attention and offers of help for longer than women. In general it's assumed that a woman will just get on with it whereas people seem to feel more sorry for a widower, comments like "Gosh how is he coping?" are heard way more often than about widows! Especially in Indian society which I find quite strange (NB: I'm Indian so I'm not being racist just speaking frome experience) - women are expected to rely on men their whole married lives to look after things like the banking, bills, any official paperwork as men are considered (even when they're not) to be smarter than women (yeah right) and when these women are widowed suddenly they have to cope with these things which can be a real nightmare but when it's a man, his main setbacks (generally) are things like making his own tea or food or using the microwave which are not really difficult things but people worry more about whether HE's eating properly than if SHE's coping with the financial side of things. Ooh do I sound biased? I think so, but then again I'm fairly emancipated so I can look after myself in all aspects, financial and otherwise, even though I have my darling hubby in my life (and may he be there longer than me)!
@anonymili (3138)
7 Jan 09
LOL You actually make a very good point Pikey! It does seem to be women who worry about the widowers coping - maternal instinct and all that! Can't think of when a man show that he was worried about how a widow or widower would cope :)
@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I shall stick my head out a little and say that in whatever society, women are organisationally better than men. They do manage in a practical sense. They also worry. I assume that a woman will feed herself properly, she might worry that I can not (I can by the way. Too many women in my life to let me fall down on that score).
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
6 Jan 09
I would agree with this and it is not just women who are widowed but also those who are divorced. When my parents divorced she was cut off by his family and their friends because they were all her husbands people. Her own family were in another country so all she had were her children. Where as the man is seen as a good catch so the women who are single all flock around to see if they can hook him. It is not a matter of the woman coping better but more a case that she is now unwanted. Now that she is single she is seen as a threat and competition by other single women.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
6 Jan 09
Some single women see every woman as competition. The world is full of strange people. Perceptions of who is and is not able to cope are curious. Women will make a fuss of a guy who acts like he needs someone to cook and clean for him but you will never see him asking a woman for help with his finances etc. A woman may know how to cook and clean but not be able to cope with all the bills and finances if the husband usually did them. Women are more likely to help out a man as he needs he sort of help they are used to giving and even better if he is looking for a new wife. The woman on the other hand needs help that other women in the same situation as her cannot give. When my mother was divorced she got the house but no maintenance. She had never dealt with a single bill and had no idea what they were or how much they would cost. I helped her through this and we learned together.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
Is she a threat, even when she is older Sharra? Perhaps so. Do single women see a widow/divorcee as competition? Interesting thought.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
7 Jan 09
Coincidentally. The woman that sparked this discussion had never changed a lightbulb or even put the rubbish out in her whole married life! She knows now of course.
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@littleowl (7157)
5 Jan 09
Hi p1ke, women cope better than a man in all ways...but when widowed it really depends how doted she was towards to her husband, some women would never dream of haveing another relationship with any other man, as their dear departed was their life...other women do make that effort to see another man but obviously are wary about whom they see. The situation really depends on each individual woman and how they feel...hugs LoLo
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Jan 09
I think that women are copers LoLo. But don't they also like to be pampered and fussed over sometimes? I know that many women don't want another relationship, or don't set out to find one, but it happens of course. The Boss says that I would eat without a woman, but I'd soon need someone to boss me about! LOL. As if that doesn't happen anyway. XXX
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Jan 09
I think it might be that men aren't as assertive as women are. Apparently, from what I've read, men want to be in a relationship but aren't very proactive about it. Women, on the other hand, pursue a widower like a bee to honey. Maybe your friend enjoys being on her own. It's not always the right thing for a person to have a relationship, some people (especially women) cope very well alone and even enjoy it--especially if they've been married or committed to someone for a long time. I'm not saying she didn't love her husband but she may be enjoying the first freedom she's ever known and have no interest in another man. If not, I hope she finds a gem.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Jan 09
Her husband was one of my closest friends and is very much missed. I joked with her that as she has just had a new kitchen installed what more could she want. She looked at me and I knew instantly that she wanted male companionship. Not from me, I'm not single, but someone who would love and care for her like her husband had done. I think that she deserves and needs that.
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@camomom (7535)
• United States
6 Jan 09
I don't know if a widow or a widower handles the situation better. I do know that my mom lost her boyfriend and she took it pretty hard for years. She handles it pretty good now but she hasn't even dated since he passed.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
7 Jan 09
Maybe there comes a time when you don't want to date. Perhaps people adjust to being on their own, maybe even enjoy it.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I think you're right. She seems pretty happy on her own.
@tmariew (32)
• United States
5 Jan 09
I don't think people assume that women cope better, I just think women have an inborn desire to nurture. When they hear about a man who has lost his wife they want to take care of him. But when it comes to helping a women who lost their husband they just don't do it as long, and I don't think they stop hanging aroun dbecause they think she can cope. I think they are afaid of identifying with her because the thought of losing someone they care about terrifies them. So they back off after a little while because they need to distance themselves from that level of pain out of self defence. Men are no less caring than women as people but I think sometimes they just don't know what to do in situations like that. So both sexes end up backing away from the widow but women will be in it for the long haul to help the widower get through it. Did you guys stay to help her clean up, by the way?
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Jan 09
I think that's a pretty good appraisal. That's pretty much what we concluded. We did help her do some clearing. In fact I think that was what sparked our conversation. We had to get back for our daughter and we felt guilty about leaving our friend. Although there was no shortage of people also helping.
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