Is competition harmful to friendships and growth of the person?

United States
September 28, 2010 10:48am CST
Recently I responded to a thread that addressed the topic of those who were considered to be the best writers of Mylot as well as who were considered to be the most intelligent. I looked at it the list and only saw one person that I knew, and I know quite a few. Though one could make the argument that perhaps some were slightly upset by the list because we were not on the list that was not my motivation for writing this discussion, my motivation was to promote thought. As I sat here writing my response to that particular topic my thoughts were on competition and the general nature of competition in a capitalistic free market system. My further thoughts as a teacher and parent were the effects of such competition on friendships as well as personal growth of the individual. In my continuing education as an educator the methodologies for motivating students has changed radically since the days of the “gold star” and “blue birds” reading groups. We have realized as educators that this type of motivation does not work well. We have realized that we need to find ways to help students become intrinsically motivated. We also realize that separating our students by ability such as the old way of teaching reading did more harm than good. The good readers became better, but the poor readers stayed the same or became poorer readers. As educators began to understand this changes were made in how we teach reading, and we began to see that a mixture of students helped both. Stronger readers pulled the struggling readers up and sometimes beyond, and the strong readers still increased! What was my reason for using an educational story? It is not much different in the world of adults. A person may not be the strongest writer on Mylot but that in no sense of the word reflects upon their intelligence. I feel that perhaps this stigma though could cause a person to write less, and perhaps eventually stop participating. That does not seem to be beneficial for anyone. I also feel that this type of competition can lead to hurt feelings and loss of friendships. And it does not seem to be of benefit for individual growth. I believe we need to be very careful of our choice of words and think about their effect on others. Though we should motivate our friends and others to do their best, certain buzz words can make them feel horrible about themselves and this is not something that does the individual any benefit. It is one thing to offer up suggestions in private to help friends grow; it is another to create a “list”. This sort of list or style of listing makes me think of the slam books so many junior high school students keep saying who is “in” and who is “out”. There is a lovely feature on Mylot that allows us to email friends topics we find interesting or feel are worth the view, I feel this cuts down on any competition and hurt feelings. What are your feelings on this topic? Can competition such as this be harmful to friendships and the growth of the person? Namaste-Anora
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Sep 10
The use of the word best is pretty subjective to begin with. I looked at that discussion and figured, well, if I have a little time, I'll go and visit the people who were mentioned that I do not know. It might actually be interesting if somebody would occasionally do a post with what they considered the most interesting discussions for the week, month, whatever. None of us can be on here 24/7, and I appreciate being pointed in the direction of good discussions - with the understanding that it is just one person's view, and that they may have missed a lot of really good discussions. Best is not a word that I would have chosen though.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 10
I have seen many of your good discussions here and you should be honored for being one of the star writers too. So can we suggest to admin for an award giving ceremony
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Sep 10
lol Well thanks Zandi, but I figure if it's a good discussion, it will get visits and intelligent comments, and that's all the award I need.
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• United States
29 Sep 10
Dawn- Mylot already has this feature though, it's the email icon at the top of every thread. I actually really like that feature because I can then praise thought provoking threads, and a few silly ones, without actually making anyone feel poorly about not being selected. Of course, that does mean I have to have the actual emails of fellow mylotters and right now I only have a few. (Note, private notes should be sent through mylot when sharing one's email.) I am always happy to send friends an email update a note, as I understand that as you said none of us are on here 24/7. Now, I do know on another site that I have submitted some work to they do blind reads so that articles may be ranked. I feel their system is very fair for picking out quality articles, though it means a lot of reading! The first day online with them I must have read close to thirty articles. And they are side-by-side so you can compare one to another. And again there is a set criteria/rubric that one is supposed to follow when reading said articles. And I have no issues with praising another Mylotter for their writing but I feel it is best done in context of what they have written; i.e. a thread. And if one wants to praise them privately one may do so. Namaste-Anora
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• Canada
28 Sep 10
I havent seen that list nor do I care about being on such a list or not. My mom said I was smart and I believed her lol. Id question the person making such a list to begin with. As for friendship, yes competition can and will be the end of a friendship. The smart thing to do would be to compete WITH your friends together to achieve better results as a group. Ive known some very intelligent people who couldnt read or write, yet they became head of their empire.
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• India
21 Oct 10
Well i am also unaware of any such list. I am not here all 24 hours, i have various kinds of appointments though i am retired now, i have to guide the schlors working for their PhD and write my research papers. When i have time, i enjoy mylot!! Professor. . Cheers
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I my school days I found I went beyound othr students which I like and the teacher would have me slow down to help out the ball players get good grades so they could play. My grrand dauhter was motivated by stickers in her pre-K class she always wanted the one for doing good that day she got so mad one day when I went to get her as I hugged her she lostt eh sticker she tought we found it later on me then she was happy again and put it on her calender. So I think that compition is good for all. I rarely write English like it should be I use the slang words and I have been asked to explain if no one understtod what I was saying good then I broke it down where they could
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
29 Sep 10
I really dont think the teacher my grand daughter has now is even motivated like she should be. All the teachers come out and stand infront of their glass but lots of days this teacher dont. Grand daughter is always telling us she has time out now I can understand the talking on sometimes she dont knw when to stop talking. but there is other times she dont know why she got time out. Should not the teacher tell mommy or expplain to the kid why? You must be a very good teacher.
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• United States
29 Sep 10
Lakota- I completely understand that there is a time for extrinsic motivation. It is where all of us start, however in the last school I worked at we were told no extrinsic motivation and to use only intrinsic. It forced me as a teacher to find ways to help to motivate my students without outside rewards. I found that the more I created situations for them to excel the more they were motivated and by nothing more than the feeling of success. I created things such as peer mentoring where stronger students could help weaker students. This of course was done without telling them my purpose and it worked very well. I also made myself more available to students for extra one on one time. There were days that I arrived very early and did parking lot work, and days I stayed very late and went home at the same time the janitor was leaving. I also use slang in my every day speech at home. I think this is true of anyone who is not writing formally. I do not think that reflects at all on content or intelligence. And I adore local color so I know I slide into regional slang quite a bit. Namaste-Anora
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
28 Sep 10
Sounds interesting. But I think some are driven off myLot or do not participate because someone says "ha,ha -=-- is a poor writer!" but because someone does not agree with their point of view and gangs up on them, well usually that is more then one and they further it by talking behind a person's back figuratively speaking.In fact I learned from another member that two myLotters actually quit because of the attacks they had received. I think competition is a good idea but it has its faults,so myLot has made that there should be no boasting about what we are able to accomplish as far as ratings, cash, etc. here in myLor. And as for helping people by email by telling them what topics that might help, it might insult them unless they ask first. So I have mixed feelings on this, so better that they ask for help first and ask in an email so that no one except the person receiving the mail knows. Of course, they are always able to ask us mylotters if they need help.
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• United States
29 Sep 10
Suspenseful- I have heard of that happening and I think we've lost some of the long-time posters because of this very mentality. I know I took off my seven months to take a break from that sort of drama. Though, as others have pointed out some things never change because it is human nature. I suppose in a sense I am torn on competition because it is just a part of our nature as human beings. For me, I don't like to compete so I very rarely involve myself in things that require me to do so. I have enough personal competition to better myself that I don't need the added stress of outside pressure. However, I know that in reality the competition makes us better in the long run if used appropriately. I hope that some of the old time posters do come back and share their wisdom. Namaste-Anora
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
28 Sep 10
First, I'd wonder who is writing the list and base my judgment on whether I can agree with this person. When I was in grade school, I remember teachers saying that it is not fair for the kids who did good to be held down and wait for the kids who didn't do well. At that time, I thought that made sense. But now, I feel like that doesn't benefit the growth of a person because they won't give a hand to others and help out. I think to promote kids who are 'better' at learning to help out the kids who are 'poor' can definitely benefit the 'better' kids to become a person who can learn to work as a team and problem solve. I think competition is good also but only when it will work as an advantage to motivate. It should be a healthy competition, like keep the passion showing and expressed or else there will be a lot of resentment, if it's just for the ego (I've only seen these, these days). If one can be inspired by their rival, that is a healthy competition.
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
28 Sep 10
PS. I've came across a few discussions where people say they're writing and English has improved since joining Mylot.
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• China
20 Mar 11
Yes in my opinion it's harmful for friendship relationship. And i think there should not be any completion between friends. Because competition will make people selfish sometimes. And selfish can harm friendship. We must be happy for our friends success and should not compare our self with our friends. Good luck!
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@GardenGerty (169590)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I think this is a well thought out discussion, that gives us food for thought.I do not say that to everyone. I missed the original post that this concerns,but I can appreciate the principles being expressed. I am not a teacher, but I have worked in the classrooms in both paid and unpaid positions. It seemed effective to me when students had reading time all together and reading skills time separately. I can remember one student actually turning cartwheels the first time he passed an assessment. On MyLot competition may cause jealousy,but I feel that many of the actual "best" writers would not care to be on that list. They post and write here for the joy of being here and making friends. They do not mind helping others, but do not want to be spotlighted and held up as the example that every one else should try to duplicate. We are all different and unique and talented in our own ways.
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@ElicBxn (64177)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I think it can be harmful (as you point out with reading and school) but it is a NORMAL part of life and we should never be put in the position, like they do with kids were they don't count score, of nobody winning, because then everyone loses... We need to let people know good from bad, right from wrong, so that there is only one correct answer and it doesn't matter that not getting it is "all right so long as you feel good about yourself." So, if there is a competition to know who is the best writer, well, maybe the best didn't join in because they don't like to compete (I know I don't) and they should be able to not compete if they don't want to - because, this ISN'T school where you have to join in...
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 10
For an international social site like mylot one of the most important criteria is to spread goodwill among members here to maintain the continuity of this lot and to foster friendships. Competition is healthy but let it be on a different platform. After all it is not what we are here for. We are here to earn while we learn from the many interesting discussions that come from all levels of intelligence. Many of us are not writers or are proficient in the English language but much as we try to make ourselves be understood to all in our own words, we expect to be accepted on the same level as others who are literally good. To segregate friends by way of their writings is unethical and it only deteriorates the bonds that this site is trying hard to establish. Everyone has their own style of presentation and who are we to judge them. I welcome everyone to respond to my discussions and feel proud to receive different views. If I were to list out who and who are the shinning stars here, I am sure those who are not listed will feel demoralized and maybe that is the end of their participation in my future discussions. I wouldn't want that to happen and I really treasure each and everyone who took their time to read and respond to my discussions. So I wouldn't want to offend anyone by creating a discussion that create unnecessary misunderstandings. It is good to appreciate and be appreciated. Since we breath the same air in mylot there should be no discrimination of any kind.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
28 Sep 10
Recently a UK politician said that "Capitalism stifles competition". What he meant is that some companies become so large that they overwhelm others in the neighbourhood and act as a disincentive for newcomers to start. Whilst I am not certain that I believe that this is true, I know what he means. Your example is analogous. Traditionally the strong readers got all the attention at the expense of the less able. However, there should be ways to encourage those that struggle (to read) whilst allowing the more able to explore new avenues; more advanced books for example. I think that having someone that is strong can be used to advantage in enthusing others; especially in children who I believe strongly need achievable goals to be set and attained. On balance, I prefer the idea of gently competition. So far as myLot is concerned; there are some very able writers here, and some that struggle enormously with their written English. But together this makes for a rich and heady brew. Provided that the point can be made then I doos nott fink it maters wot you spel and right like. But that's just me.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I was totally unaware of this competition, was it presented for blogers or for the whole list? I don't write to be competive but I do try to improve my writing. I feel no competition on this list and have no interest in any.
@sender621 (14889)
• United States
29 Sep 10
This would all have to depend on what the competition is about. Some competitions can be good to stregthen a relaationship. If it is a competiiton of jealousy, it can be very harmeful. You have to consider the circumstances and hthe connsequences when you comepte with friends for something.
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@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
20 Jan 11
I know that your post touched on education and the competitiveness here on myLot, but pardon me if I offer up a simplistic response. It is something that has been pressing on my mind lately. I have a 4-year old that I deem to be very competitive. He has a big brother, who's 10. I'm not sure if it's his way of being heard, or recognized, but he always competes with his brother (and his friends) in anything. To the point that he gets rattled, and cries, and hits if things don't go his way. Although I like his spirit, I'm seriously thinking of ways on how to tone down his competitiveness as I don't see it as too good for his growth.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
29 Sep 10
whoa! that was long and Interesting read. Here is what I think about this - Life is all about competition. You are born to compete and there is no way you can escape this. However, the other side is that no two persons are alike and we all have our own levels of understanding, participating, endurance and so many other things. Given this fact, it all depends on our way of thinking in what spirits we accept this competition. Some take it positively, and they improve. They dont feel to be left out (whatever be the reason) and such people would not mind a competition effecting their friendship. On the other hand some are jealous and want to succeed. They cannot take the fact of their friends participating in the competition. These would ruin everything for winning. And yes, there are also many shy people out there (like me) who would not participate openly but continue to do their efforts no matter what. They are just interested in results of the competition and winning is not the main factor. These would never lose friends and chances are at times they would surprise their peers that they are winners. Cheers, theSids
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Oct 10
I do think that competition can be unhealthy in some situations. However, on the other hand I think that competition is necessary for the betterment of a person. You see, almost everything that we do in this society revolves around competition in some way, shape or form. If we weren't to have any kind of competition in our lives, I don't think that we would be the kind of people that we are today. So, my answer is yes, and no.