I feel like Sisyphus

@dawnald (85137)
Shingle Springs, California
February 2, 2011 4:04pm CST
If you're not familiar with Greek mythology, you can look it up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus Well some of this is my fault for how I am and how I've chosen to deal with things, and some of it is due to what (and whom) I'm up against. So I chose to do this divorce on my own. And I decided that I would get a settlement agreement to send in with my paperwork, thus avoiding having to appear in court, as well as arguments about who is responsible for what, etc. And I chose not to use a lawyer because I'd rather use the $5,000 + for myself and my kids. The problem is that I'm dealing with a person who: 1. doesn't want a divorce 2. doesn't believe it's happening 3. believes I'm going to "come around" 4. and isn't always capable of being reasonable about it Just to give you the history on the settlement agreement, he got a copy of it last June. In August I bugged him about it and we had a discussion, but he never got anything back to me. In November, I bugged him about it and he got pissy about the section related to college expenses, but we eventually agreed on some verbiage. In early December, he told me he had no further changes and that he would sign it. Before Christmas again he said he'd sign it. Third week in January he said he'd get it to me on the anniversary of when he proposed (drama queen lol). So when that date came and went, no signature, I reminded him again. Last night he corners me, and wants to know why I'm "rushing" this. Yep, you heard me right. Rushing. After what, almost 8 months, I'm rushing. And then proceeded to go into a speech about how this is all about me being a control freak. Now yeah, I admit I have control freakish tendencies about certain things, but I think I've been more than patient here. And then proceeds to give me a bunch of examples from the last 30 years demonstrating that I'm a control freak. Lousy examples, but never mind. And then tries to rehash our entire last three years of counseling, as if talking it over yet again was going to change anything. Wanted to know what he had done wrong, so I offered to provide him a list. And then informs me that he has decided, in light of Dearra's anxiety problems, and the fact that I apparently don't care that a divorce will hurt her, that he does have additional concerns about the agreement after all. Crud. All I think about is how this is going to hurt the children. (insert grr face here) Can you say guilt trip? Doesn't he GET that this uncertainty is hurting the children? And that we need to make the split and get on with our lives? (nope, he doesn't) He mentions that the agreement has been sitting under my pillow for a week, ready for me to bring up the discussion. Um, the pillow that I don't use, on the bed that I no longer sleep on. As opposed to just telling me that he wants to have a discussion... Can you say "delaying tactic?" By this time, I am, of course, not real happy with him, and it shows. So he says, "you're obviously too upset to have a conversation about the agreement now", and walks out. Delaying tactic again. So here I am again plotting out plan B and plan C in case I can't get a signature in a reasonable amount of time. Roll that old rock back up the hill...
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22 responses
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
2 Feb 11
It's been so many months...what were plans B and C again? I think I'd tell him...tonight...because he's been stalling you have no other option than to turn this all over to your lawyer (even if you don't have one, don't let him know that). He should expect papers to be served in a couple of days (lie if you have to). It's over, R, and the stalling, procrastinating, wishing...are over. I'm through trying to do this amicably... I think I'd also let him know the lawyer costs will be included in the settlement...he'll get to pay for. So, sign the agreement, now, or you'll be seeing my lawyer and a new settlement agreement, you probably won't like.
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@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
2 Feb 11
I also like this response. Bluff him into submission.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
Bluffing is good except for the part where I actually have to follow through. (goes looking for backbone) But plan B is to file papers with no agreement, and C is to get an attorney. I like What TeamCholent suggested also.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
Actually the last time I mentioned lawyer he came around (about the college clause)...
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@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
2 Feb 11
In this case it might be worth the $5000 to be done with him. I think that since he has the criticism of you being a "control freak" you should just say, yes, and since you do not like it, and I am not changing you have just demonstrated that we need this divorce, the sooner the better.
@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Yeah, after posting my comment, I saw the previous box. I like the idea of you always having someone present to put on the pressure.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
maybe it will be, but I'm not quite ready to go that route yet....
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
3 Feb 11
I've no idea how it works where you live, but here, I'd simply proceed without him, & if he says he wants to talk, tell him, "talk to my lawyer." Can you do that where you are? Actually, I loathe divorce, & don't really like to encourage it in 99% of the cases, but I figure you've already made up your mind, & it's none of my business to dissuade you. I hope you can settle this soon; it sounds as if you need to. He's probably not the violent type, but more passive-aggressive, if I read his actions correctly. Talk about being a "control freak." That's the textbook example of such behavior! I can understand why you feel the need to get him out of your life. Sad, though. Maggiepie “During times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ~ George Orwell "1984"
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
First the signature, then move him out, and then I can do that... No, he's (mostly) not violent, but can get pretty verbally abusive when he's upset.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Got a little rough with the kids a couple of times. No sign of that in years though....
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Feb 11
We actually get along pretty well as long as: 1. he's not angry and out of control 2. he's not trying to psychoanalyze me 3. he's not trying to persuade me to change my mind 4. he's not trying to rehash old stuff that I no longer wish to discuss
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• United States
2 Feb 11
Dawn- Well, I cannot see that you have done anything wrong so I cannot see that you are being 'punished' for leaving a bad situation. However, your spouse is doing what a lot do in the case of divorce, making it as painful as possible so as to enact some sort of revenge. I would just ask him each week in a civil and polite tone, "Have you signed the papers yet". Say the same thing on each phone call or in each mail (depending upon how you are choosing to deal with him). It's called the broken record technique and works best if the exact same script is used each time. Do not answer any question, do not engage him in anything further. When you ask if he says no, say "Ok, I'll call in a week and I expect them signed". Continue to do this until he grows tired of not being able to engage you in trivial conversation. Oh, and after he has said no, and you've said the final comment hang up the phone. This will allow you to be without stress, not hear what he has to say, and cut him off. He'll give in eventually. I personally would not have meetings with him face to face. Tell him so in an email or phone call and be done with that. If you were going through an attorney everything would be done via certified mail, which is a great way to send things because you then have a track record of everything he's signed for. Emails work well just keep a copy of them, you don't have to read what he sends you-just print it and file it. The reason for keeping records is if he gets to the point where it's another year and he won't sign, you may just want to hire an attorney and go to court. Yes, it's slightly expensive though I bet if you check with legal aid you'll qualify for a free attorney being it is just you and your daughter. If you walked in with a stack of emails, letters, and signature confirmations from the certified mail asking him to sign the papers the judge is probably going to ask him "Why not just sign, you've agreed to all the terms". Namaste-Anora
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
It's pretty much been communication by e-mail, and I have kept copies of them in case I need them. I hope I don't need them though, but they are there just in case....
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@TeamCholent (2832)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Is there no possible way to hire a lawyer just for the service notice and get him to sign and for nothing else? I don't get why he is doing this, some sick form of punishment to you by delaying everything? You got to focus on the positive, if your rolling a massive boulder up the hill so many times you will be in shape in no time at all(unless the boulder rolls over you in which case ya).
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
Yeah it's possible. Or even just confront him with a little backup, ie my sister or somebody. That's a good idea, actually, thanks.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
PS I don't think it's punishment, I think it's denial. Same effect on me though.
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@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
2 Feb 11
Your story here tells me that you should sacrifice those $5000. Sorry but I agree with the previous comments. I don't know your husband but I think that I understand what type of person he is. He doesn't want this divorce but he won't say this straight. Because you are living still together he has chosen this strategy in order to make you change your mind. Maybe I'm not right but anyway this situation is very hard for you. Is it possible for you to move or make him move to another house? I'm sure that it's too expensive and it's a tricky step. But you have to make him understand that it's over. I wish you a lot of courage!
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
He actually offered to move out this weekend. If I say yes to that, I wonder what he would do.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Feb 11
I want that doggone agreement. And then tell the kids, house goes up for sale, and we move forward. But life isn't moving according to my little plan....
@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
2 Feb 11
Maybe you should say yes and fingers crossed he might do it. But what next?
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
3 Feb 11
What an ordeal! think he is in denial and just cannot accept the fact that you no longer be a part of his life. He is acting childish. Once you two have decided, delaying is making things worse for both of you. Why don't you ask someone close to both of you to talk to him ask him why is he doing this. Hiring a lawyer would be the last resort since that involves a lot of money. Dawny, I just looked up for Sisyphus and it was an interesting read. Thanks for the reference.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
5 Feb 11
I know what you mean Dawny. Please take care of yourself and I wish you all the best for things to happen soon.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Yes, he's in denial. And I should talk to him, but when I do he just ties me all in knots, and I get off track and end up going down some path where I don't want to go...
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
3 Feb 11
$5,000 for a divorse? wow alot we paid $300 in Tenn for our daughters and went to court just to hear the judge say it went thru! Yup he neds to stop doing what he is doing and sign the darn thing
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
3 Feb 11
SOunds like he will tho sorry for you hugsssssssssssss
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Yeah practically, but then I've done a lot of the paperwork already, so probably less than that. Assuming he doesn't decide to fight me on anything.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
I don't think he will fight, I just think he will continue to drag his feet.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
12 Feb 11
aA-RR-RGGHHH! Dawny dear friend...how on earth are you managing to stay sane? If nothing else the guy is an idiot, wanker, royal pain in the patoot, and an imbecilic child to top it all off. If he had been married to anyone else he would have been murdered by now and the culprit would have got off on a case of justifiable homicide. How have you been living with this for so long? No wonder Dearra is having anxiety issues...does she have an ulcer as well?? I forget. It's a wonder you don't have one. I know that he has since signed and guess what...you are so close to the finish line my dear....I promise you there will be much cheering and celebrating when you get there. You are very close now to a brand new life!!! The kids won't appreciate a celebration but you must give yourself one...that is an absolute. Happiness first and foremost...it will give you the energy to deal with any probs with the kids. Of course the atmosphere around them will be so much clearer and happier without Mr wet blanket around.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
14 Feb 11
The wrong reasons is right. You give that part of you too much power my lovely. If his responses and reactions were appropriate that would be good but they are not and that is why all this is happening. Poor Cary, that used to happen to me when I first started getting my period. There would be a mess and so I would hide my undies because I was too scared in case someone caught me washing them. My parents were both violent and my older sisters were pretty ugly that way too. The kids are at that age where they are picking up on the traits of the parents in more ways than one.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Feb 11
yup yup
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Feb 11
Last night he blew up at Cary because he'd had an accident, and instead of telling anybody, he threw his dirty underwear in the trash. He was all mad that Cary hadn't come and told somebody, and I said to him, "has it ever occurred to you that doesn't because he's afraid of you?" That got him thinking, not that I expect a change there. Yeah I'm working on this paperwork today, and I need to move things forward. The problem with me, I guess, is that part of me just doesn't want to do this. But it's the part that wants to stay for the wrong reasons.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
3 Feb 11
Looks like you are in for a hard time to get him sign the papers. And yes, you really need to enlist various plans to corner him down as men don't easily give in to challenges that would demerit them in the public eyes, especially when the divorce is initiated by the wife.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
3 Feb 11
Good luck and hope all goes well.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Meeting Friday - we shall see what we shall see....
@celticeagle (189820)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Feb 11
Ghee can't imagine why you are pushing for this divorce. NOT!! Maybe the counselor could help. IF you could get him to go. Mr. Excuse maker! I would be SOOOOO frustrated. Guilt trip- for sure. He is never going to get anything about anything but what he wants. No wonder you want a divorce. Maybe you should plan a meeting to discuss and try to get him to sign it. Can you act alittle positive enough to get him in duscussion mode again and then Have it all ready for a signiture. I hope you can. Give him no excuse to stop discussion procedings. Nothing coming up to give him an excuse, etc. I would be so frustrated. Biting lip, pulling out hair, etc.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
"what he wants".. That's funny because every conversation I have with him is always "I want I want I want". "I don't want to force you, I want you to be comfortable with me. I want you to trust me. I want you to..." Well sorry, but I don't any more....
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Feb 11
when I get to some kind of a questionnaire involving sexuality, I often think to myself "I have the bad taste to be attracted to men" :D
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@celticeagle (189820)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Feb 11
So typical. Men! Aren't they grand. I am SOOOOOO very glad I am no longer in a relationship with one of them.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
4 Feb 11
Oh dawn...you are going through the wringer. I hate that he has given you such a gard time...like it's not already tough enough just to do it. I think that physical abuse might be in order I'm j/k but I know it is frustrating.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Feb 11
Saphrina is loaning me her ax. :D
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
4 Feb 11
gard should be hard....LOL
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@marguicha (230351)
• Chile
2 Feb 11
Hi Dawn, You have been telling us about this divorce that doesn´t ever happen or end for such a long time that sometimes I feel it´s my own divorce and sometimes I feel I´d smother him with a big pillow myself. I do think your children are suffering in this limbo where there´s no path to tread on. I´d seek legal advise even if it´s expensive. Nothing is more expensive than what you and yours are going through. I do feel though that you are in denial too in many ways if you dont make a further step towards the end of this. After all this time there´s nothing more to talk about. After all this time he has to move out, even if it´s not the best idea in terms of money. After all this time, either you end the marriage or you assume that´s the way it is and that you are going to cope with it. If you have not been able to sort out your problems in years AND with counsaling, this is it. Eight months of anyone´s life is way too much. Sounds like slavery. If R was reasonable, if you could have been able to talk with him, you would not be divorcing him. So get a lawyer, half a lawyer any help.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
You know what I'm in denial about? The fact that I still expect him to behave like a reasonable person!
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Yeah and I hope to get to the next one in this lifetime!
@marguicha (230351)
• Chile
3 Feb 11
I know that. And I also know that if he was as you wanted him to be, you would not want a divorce. He has proven in all possible ways that he is not reasonable. It seems that reason is NOT a part of his assets. So, you either force him or you wonñt get anywhere. And you are not having the best of times and neither are the kids. A divorce is a lot little mourning. There are stages you have to go through in order to heal.
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@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
3 Feb 11
Hell Dawny. What is his problem. Seems he is in denial or something. Just do it your way and get it over with. No need to drag him along, i'm sure everything will work out just fine. TATA.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Ya think?
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Where's the ax?
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
3 Feb 11
Not really, but i can get you a bigger brick.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
3 Feb 11
You are a very patient woman! Me in your shoes right now would be yelling, shrieking mad!! (mad as in angry). I would not be in a position to have a discussion and would be shouting and crying (which I know wouldn't help one bit) You've got enough ideas on what to do next....hope one of them works for you.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Patient or crazy, I haven't quite decided which.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
4 Feb 11
Can't the Solicitor push him because I know mine did when the Ex Husband said he would not sign it he did it out of Spite He is just dragging things on and on and the longer it goes the more everyone will hurt in the end
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Feb 11
Well, the solicitor, aka attorney or lawyer in American English lol, is something I don't have as of yet. I'm doing this myself. But if I need one, I will get one...
@jillhill (37353)
• United States
3 Feb 11
Well at least he isn't sitting with the Bible in his lap reading scripture to your kids like mine did....which was funny as he wasn't even that much of a church goer...then he would cry to the kids...real tears...this was after years of asking him to change...leaving him three times...etc. I know what you are going through. Even after I left he would come to the apartment and hang out with the kids hoping he could get me back...oh and he bought me a Mustang! Just for good measure...when its over...its over! Good luck..I ended up moving out!
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Quoting scripture no, using guilt on me, yes. Claims he isn't trying to guilt me, but what do you call droning on and on about how hurt the kids will be.
@ersmommy1 (12587)
• United States
3 Feb 11
First, have to say LOVE the reference! Some people are pros at delaying what has become inevitable.I wish I had an answer for you. Seems like you have covered the bases as best you can. Hang in there.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Feb 11
Hanging...
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
6 Feb 11
Man, this must be so darn frustrating for you! Your R is so like my friend’s husband who I mentioned before is just coming to the acceptance stage that she will not be coming back as she left him four year ago! The best thing to do would be the costly one and that is to hire lawyer and do the whole thing through him or her. It may be expensive but at least it will get this thing over once and for all. I agree that it will be better for the children to have the matter settled so you can take whatever direction you want for your lives. Good luck Dawn...
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Feb 11
He signed, but man, when it rains, it pours! I can go ahead with the paperwork now, but suddenly I have sick kids, sick cats, plus a bunch of expected expenses (tires, glasses) that have me really worried about finances...
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@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
7 Feb 11
I think you're already in the middle of 'it'. You knew that it was going to be difficult, and I think this delaying tactic is just part of the pains that you have to go through to get this divorce finalized. Even the guilt trip. I don't have any tips or suggestions, just wanted to say hang in there!
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Feb 11
he signed he signed he signed he signed He has some really weird ideas, but he signed!