When is it vandalism, and when is it art?

@Fleura (29126)
United Kingdom
April 19, 2021 4:28pm CST
Railway bridges and road underpasses around here tend to be a magnet for mindless graffiti, usually just pointless unreadable ‘tags’ or sometimes offensive messages. But recently someone (or some people) have upped their game and suddenly the local underpass, where the cycle path goes underneath a traffic roundabout, has become a ‘canvas’ for real talent. I have no idea who has done this or when they found enough undisturbed time to create these works. It’s not exactly the kind of thing you could create in a few minutes with a spray can, and yet no-one seems to have seen the culprit. So is this just graffiti, that we (via our taxes) have to pay to be removed? Or is this art that we should celebrate and enjoy? All rights reserved. © Text and image copyright Fleur 2021.
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@JimBo452020 (42629)
• United Kingdom
19 Apr 21
Well To me The photo in your post is art. Quite good at that.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
19 Apr 21
It's amazing, how long do you thing someone spent to make that? It's not as if you ever see one half completed.
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@JimBo452020 (42629)
• United Kingdom
19 Apr 21
@Fleura It would take hours and hours. I have never seen a half completed one either. Maybe the artist had permission to do it.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
@JimBo452020 It's weird isn't it - you never see one partly completed, you never really see one that looks sort of not bad but like a practice picture. I find it hard to believe that someone could go out there and create this perfect image in such a short time - how??
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
19 Apr 21
This is art in my opinion. I think it is all about opinions.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
That's true, although I think the general opinion regarding 'what is art' seems to rely on the intention of the 'artist'. For example a colourful scribble by a toddler is regarded as just a scribble, while a colourful scribble by an adult who describes it as a reflection of their inner turmoil (for example) is considered art, even if they look pretty much the same (which I think is unfair!) That's why Tracey Emin's famous 'unmade bed' was shortlisted for the Turner prize and was sold a few years ago for £2.5 million, while everyone else's unmade bed just means their house is a mess and/or they haven't had time to make it yet!
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
20 Apr 21
@Fleura Great point.
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@marguicha (215368)
• Chile
19 Apr 21
There is a kind of art specializzin in painting walls. Those graffiti are different from the ugly and many times offensive omes that other people do.
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@vandana7 (98822)
• India
20 Apr 21
For me even this is offensive...there is something ominous about this ..at the best I would treat it as comical stuff like the ones we see in vampire comics.
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@toniganzon (72285)
• Philippines
20 Apr 21
I see that as an art.
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@TheHorse (205694)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Apr 21
A good question. To me, quality matters.
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@vandana7 (98822)
• India
20 Apr 21
Elaborate on what you mean as quality... here the guy is made to look like a monster.
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@JudyEv (325693)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Apr 21
I think stuff like this is definitely art. We have much more of this around now and less of the indecipherable scribblings that we are more used to seeing.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
I just can't get my head around how it is created. I mean you never see one partly completed, and you never catch anyone in the act, and yet surely it must take more than a couple of minutes! Also you never really see one that looks sort of not bad but like a practice picture, but surely these people must have practised their skills somewhere - do they just keep repainting their bedroom walls at home? I find it hard to believe that someone could go out there and create this perfect image in such a short time - how??
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@vandana7 (98822)
• India
20 Apr 21
I would not call it art. Art for me should make me feel relaxed and at peace and make me admire god's creation. So yeah... this invokes negative emotions ... if I can't have it in my bedroom, it is not good enough. It doesn't always need to be perfect, though that part is admired too. Just that overall thing gotta make me feel good. If this were a postcard, I would not buy it to send it somebody.
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@vandana7 (98822)
• India
20 Apr 21
@Fleura To me he looks like a cannibal. It may be done for fun, but......... I have read too many comics to find anything appealing in this. If it is speed, many artists can churn out real masterpieces in few minutes. I used to watch one gentleman on Take Hart coming up with some exotic stuff. Looks like I am the only one who does not consider it an art. Sigh.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
I know what you mean and I wouldn't put it on my wall either. There is something strange about the face. But you can't deny that it is skillfully executed. And I just can't work out how someone could create this so cleverly and so quickly!
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
@vandana7 Oh yes, Tony Hart, I remember him! I guess you don't have to like something to appreciate the skill in creating it.
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@allknowing (130066)
• India
20 Apr 21
To each their own. As the saying goes beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
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@allknowing (130066)
• India
21 Apr 21
@Fleura Yes skillful but it could be interpreted in many ways - some good, some bad.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
I agree that it isn't beautiful, there is something quite disturbing aboutit, but it is skillful.
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@rakski (112925)
• Philippines
20 Apr 21
this is quite an art work. They should remove those signs and other things but not this kind of art.
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@DianneN (246720)
• United States
20 Apr 21
It’s very well done, so I consider it art. However, I prefer most things left untouched. Why not use talent on a real canvas?
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
Good point. And then the artist wouldn't have to worry about their work being cleaned off either!
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@DianneN (246720)
• United States
20 Apr 21
@Fleura Exactly!
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@Deepizzaguy (94484)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
19 Apr 21
The artwork looks good. Keep it.
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@Dena91 (15860)
• United States
20 Apr 21
That is some beautiful artwork. I hope the local government decides to keep it.
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@Hannihar (129430)
• Israel
20 Apr 21
@Fleura I would call it a way of someone wanting to express themselves and therefore I feel it is art. We have drawings on buildings that are very good here and the person is very talented.
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@nela13 (55698)
• Portugal
20 Apr 21
It depends on the graffiti, the one you shared is art for me.
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@Fleura (29126)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 21
There's certainly some real skill there.
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@nela13 (55698)
• Portugal
20 Apr 21
@Fleura yes, it looks a professional work.
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@snowy22315 (169927)
• United States
20 Apr 21
I say enjoy! If it is something we couldn't create, I would think of it as art.
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@prinzcy (32322)
• Malaysia
24 Apr 21
For me, it's art. Especially if it's well made.
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@LadyDuck (458006)
• Switzerland
20 Apr 21
In my opinion this is art and I see no reason why it should be removed. I dislike graffiti, but those who are caught making them should pay for the clean up.
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@Ronrybs (17849)
• London, England
20 Apr 21
I have done several walking tours of London, just covering the more 'arty' graffiti. Some of it is very good and people seem to leave it be... mostly
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
20 Apr 21
That is art in your photo. So the artist is called „delicious13“. I often asked myself how those people did it without being noticed.
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@ladyhero (3846)
• Indonesia
21 Apr 21
my place is also a lot of graffiti, which is used as a social criticism, I enjoy this
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