Help Is A Word That Needs Broader Definition
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (112876)
United States
July 21, 2022 4:59pm CST
There is a common misconception that conservatives don't care about the poor and have no interest in ending poverty. I am not even sure where this ever came from, considering 1) it cannot be farther from the truth and 2) it has never been reflected in the policies of the right.
So, let me at least try to explain our position if you will be so kind as to entertain me for a moment here.
The big difference in the right's position vs. the left's position is really in how we define the word help. And I think it is an important distinction to make when comparing the interests of the two sides while at the same time avoiding too much of the political argument that typically gets in the way of the discussion.
From the left's perspective, helping someone is giving them food, money, shelter and energy assistance. From the right's perspective, helping someone is getting out of their way and offering the opportunity for one to seek and achieve success on their own.
The right prefers to create jobs and opportunities and to support strong economies that lift wages, encourage more employment and thereby provide more opportunity for people to participate in an active and successful economy.
The right prefers that there be less regulations to reduce the impact to businesses that have to spend more time complying than building their businesses in a practical way and being able to hire more people as a result.
At the same time, the right prefers strengthening programs that encourage entrepreneurism than to support programs that simply encourage maintaining the status quo. We strongly support the SBA for example, which provides loans to those who wish to start their own businesses.
And less regulation even means it becomes easier for the average person with less resources and means to be able to enter into business. It allows one to focus on starting their business as opposed to spending all their time learning all the rules they must follow to get started. Many of which people see and then determine it's just too much. Too confusing. And too costly.
The right wants to see people have a chance to be independent of government, not depend on government. We prefer there to be an actual way out of poverty. We prefer that someone collecting benefits from the government see the benefit not as help, but as a crutch. We prefer the sentiment to be, when that welfare check comes in, "I am better than this. I can do this on my own. I don't have to live this way."
The right is not a group of people lurking in the shadows trying to decide what they can take away from you. They are a group of people wanting to find a way to let you know that the biggest thing taking something away from you is the very government support being received.
As the old adage goes, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." The right knows you can fish, so why not offer a pole and a lesson in how to bait the line and catch some fish?
And when it comes to business? You never know. Some might be really good at catching fish, and then they have a wonderful business opportunity to sell it.
Ultimately, the right does not see poverty as something to assist someone with. We see it as something to actually fix. We don't see the poor as stupid or incapable. We simply see them as people needing better opportunities to get ahead in the world.
And if you dig deeply into the policies of the right. That's the aim of them.
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@NJChicaa (127135)
• United States
21 Jul 22
I don't disagree with what you wrote. (mark the calendar!) That being said--sometimes help *is* necessary. A single mother making even $15/hour cannot support a child or two and pay for rent, utilities, car insurance, food, etc. It just isn't possible here in NJ. I know you like to say "then move to a cheaper area" but that isn't any option for most people and these days it sure as hell isn't going to be oI ne for women who are interested in maintaining their rights.
I was in favor of the COVID employment/business/rent assistance provided by the government. Crazy situations call for big moves. I don't begrudge those who are doing their very best to pay their bills who apply for/receive utility assistance. I don't qualify for it and I consider myself fortunate that I don't. Yes it annoys me that my downstairs neighbor is getting her rent paid for by the county b/c she won't work as any earned wages would affect her permanent disability check each month.
If the you-know-what hit the fan and I found myself totally down and out on my luck. . . I would appreciate any government assistance that could help me. Me personally--I'm not interested in a SBA loan or anything like that. I have neither the interest or qualifications to run a business. Sure help me to learn new skills that I can use in a different job and help me to get the bills paid while I am transitioning to a new job but don't pay for that stuff forever.
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@moffittjc (128835)
• Gainesville, Florida
22 Jul 22
You bring up a good point (yes, mark our calendars, a conservative agrees with you!). There are times when a helping hand is needed to lift someone up out of a bad situation. But your downstairs neighbor demonstrates exactly what is wrong when you don't put limits on that assistance. They will become dependent on it, and not show any interest in bettering their lives on their own. My own cousin took advantage of this, and even flat out told me one time that she makes more money on welfare than trying to go out and get a job. So how do we fix this so people can't take advantage of it? By putting limits on government assistance. If someone needs welfare (and I'm not against welfare, I get that sh*t happens in life), provide funding assistance at X value for Y amount of months. After that, the amount of the X value decreases by 25% each month until the person no longer receives government support. That's it. You're cut off, unless there are extenuating circumstances beyond your control that you could definitively approve. That incentivizes you to get out there and try to find work.
@porwest (112876)
• United States
22 Jul 22
I don't disagree with what you wrote. (mark the calendar!)
In life all things are possible, God willing. 
A single mother making even $15/hour cannot support a child or two and pay for rent, utilities, car insurance, food, etc. It just isn't possible here in NJ. I know you like to say "then move to a cheaper area" but that isn't any option for most people and these days it sure as hell isn't going to be oI ne for women who are interested in maintaining their rights.
I will draw a distinction between those who live entirely on welfare and those who work who qualify for assistance based on the way the laws are written. I would say that the person working is making an effort and there is a difference. I still contend, however, that I could go through that mother's expenses and find wasted money—and even wasted opportunity.
But I am more willing to support her over someone simply living off the system entirely with no ambition to get off the dole.
I was in favor of the COVID employment/business/rent assistance provided by the government.
So was I, even though I am generally opposed to "stimulus packages." The reason I supported this one was because the decision to shut down, which cost jobs and livelihoods, was not the decision of the business and was not a condition of normal economic pressures. It was a government mandated decision for which I agree the government had responsibility to compensate for.
I do think that the stimulus packages were over extended however, and the last stimulus we received was unnecessary considering when it was issued we had a glut of unfilled jobs—we kept extended unemployment benefits in place too long as well.
Sure help me to learn new skills that I can use in a different job and help me to get the bills paid while I am transitioning to a new job but don't pay for that stuff forever.
I actually support government sponsored training programs for the poor, and even tuition assistance for the poor. To me it is far more productive than any other "welfare" we could offer because it is a literal investment in the economy and a direct benefit to the taxpayers.
If one can "educate" someone and broaden their opportunities, there may be less need or no need for them to receive other benefits, thereby saving taxpayers money. At the same time it offers more qualified people to the workforce, increases productivity, and also brings in more tax revenues ultimately as it would be presumed the person would either a) receive higher taxable income or b) be earning taxable income they were not earning before.
Beyond that, I am happy that we were able to at least find some common ground here.

A single mother making even $15/hour cannot support a child or two and pay for rent, utilities, car insurance, food, etc. It just isn't possible here in NJ. I know you like to say "then move to a cheaper area" but that isn't any option for most people and these days it sure as hell isn't going to be oI ne for women who are interested in maintaining their rights.
I will draw a distinction between those who live entirely on welfare and those who work who qualify for assistance based on the way the laws are written. I would say that the person working is making an effort and there is a difference. I still contend, however, that I could go through that mother's expenses and find wasted money—and even wasted opportunity.
But I am more willing to support her over someone simply living off the system entirely with no ambition to get off the dole.
I was in favor of the COVID employment/business/rent assistance provided by the government.
So was I, even though I am generally opposed to "stimulus packages." The reason I supported this one was because the decision to shut down, which cost jobs and livelihoods, was not the decision of the business and was not a condition of normal economic pressures. It was a government mandated decision for which I agree the government had responsibility to compensate for.
I do think that the stimulus packages were over extended however, and the last stimulus we received was unnecessary considering when it was issued we had a glut of unfilled jobs—we kept extended unemployment benefits in place too long as well.
Sure help me to learn new skills that I can use in a different job and help me to get the bills paid while I am transitioning to a new job but don't pay for that stuff forever.
I actually support government sponsored training programs for the poor, and even tuition assistance for the poor. To me it is far more productive than any other "welfare" we could offer because it is a literal investment in the economy and a direct benefit to the taxpayers.
If one can "educate" someone and broaden their opportunities, there may be less need or no need for them to receive other benefits, thereby saving taxpayers money. At the same time it offers more qualified people to the workforce, increases productivity, and also brings in more tax revenues ultimately as it would be presumed the person would either a) receive higher taxable income or b) be earning taxable income they were not earning before.
Beyond that, I am happy that we were able to at least find some common ground here.1 person likes this
@moffittjc (128835)
• Gainesville, Florida
22 Jul 22
Very well written, and this has been my belief for all of my adult life. It what drew me to the right way back before I even turned 18 and could register to vote.
I like to keep it simplistic. The left wants to give handouts. The right wants to give a hand up.
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@moffittjc (128835)
• Gainesville, Florida
23 Jul 22
@porwest It's so simplistic I can't understand how the left doesn't see this, or support this.
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@porwest (112876)
• United States
24 Jul 22
@moffittjc Because secretly they don't want to actually end poverty. If they can't offer you something, you don't need them, and then they lose their power.
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@porwest (112876)
• United States
22 Jul 22
As I once said, or probably have said multiple times; it is far more beneficial to a hungry man to offer him a job to make his own sandwich than to simply give him yours.
It's probably a stupid analogy. But I guess it makes sense. To me anyway. 

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@kareng (80243)
• United States
22 Jul 22
Well stated! Too many handouts these days and a lot are just sitting at home doing nothing and getting all the benefits or more than some people busting their you know whats working and trying to make ends meet. Many just throw in the towel at that point. This has to stop. There has to be a better way. However, I think a lot of people do not have any pride left and just think why should I even bother working; I get more just staying home and drawing benefits.
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@kaylachan (84784)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
22 Jul 22
Sounds like one balancing act. We need both kinds of help sometimes. And a strong foundation is very important.
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@porwest (112876)
• United States
22 Jul 22
I agree mostly. I have always said that welfare should be a closed end deal. Just like unemployment benefits. You have so much time and then you are on your own. The fact that welfare is potentially a lifetime benefit has never made any sense to me.
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@kaylachan (84784)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
23 Jul 22
@porwest Same here. It's not due to anything more than lack of income. I get it, some people could stand to use it, but they aren't motivated to help themselves. Which is sad, really.
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@lovebuglena (52144)
• Staten Island, New York
22 Jul 22
If people are getting money from the gov't then why work when you get money doing nothing? I bet plenty think that way, especially during the pandemic. And those on unemployment.
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@porwest (112876)
• United States
24 Jul 22
This is part of the problem of welfare. Some actually need the help and others simply want to steal money. Because you can't separate the two, you have to make it harder for everyone to get the help and still force encouragement for people to get off the dole.
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@misunderstood_zombie (8765)
• United States
22 Jul 22
This is a good post and I completely agree.
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