Israel Palestine conflict ..an article that explains much of it...sad

@vandana7 (98666)
India
February 19, 2024 12:37pm CST
I read that article this evening, and am torn with sympathy towards both Palestinians and Israelis. Today, we have better technologies and communication systems. Therefore, our decisions maybe better. Back in that era, Britishers had different way of managing their subjects. As an Indian, I should know. The conflicts were deliberately created to ensure that collective uprising was not there. Lets think of solutions.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/01/magazine/israel-founding-palestinian-conflict.html?src=longreads
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@HannSha (46)
24 Feb
india is the bestfriend ally of israel....Shalom to you
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
24 Feb
It is not about India and Israel. It is about how to ensure safe life for everybody at present and in future. Tell me, do you truly believe that your great grandchild would be safe, and will not be hurt by Palestinians? Did Germany manage to kill all jews? Is it possible to kill all Palestinians? Is it possible to prevent writing about such things? Will such literature not be up there on net for others to read and feel OMG Jews killed all Palestinians...they are bad.... What do wars really achieve? Nothing. Only defers the problem to next generation or generation after. And leads to a lot of pollution which melts ice caps. Resources could have been better utilized. At the base of any such thing is injustice. It is that we need to identify and "repair the harm done as far as possible". Otherwise, this saga will never end. Our children will never be safe. Today America has nuclear weapons, tomorrow some new weapon would be discovered by Palestine...then a new weapon will be developed by Israel, again war....it never ends my friend, it never ends till injustice is addressed.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
24 Feb
@HannSha You sound so fatalist. I believe solutions are possible. Ages ago, Muslims ruled over us. Today, we are in revenge mode. Unless we sit at a table, this I will attack, then be attacked, then attack, then be attacked song does not end my friend. We have to be prepared to give and take. The whole world should be prepared to give. The present war is not fetching Israel, and Jews any brownie points. The sympathy invoked by holocaust is being completely erased. Without that foundation, others may not be as open to accept Jews in their land.
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24 Feb
@vandana7 all that you say is true but we cant prevent all of this thing to happen why?because we are now in the dreadful day and last day..nation againt nation..kingdom agains kingdom..we can solve any of the issues bec its already written before hand... what ever rules that they have come up.what ever law they will make ,is there any good outcome none.we are in the last days
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@LadyDuck (457110)
• Switzerland
20 Feb
It is a very difficult situation. What Hamas did is horrible, what is now happening should NOT happen.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
20 Feb
Hamas ... how else could they get the world's attention Anna? When I read the article, and the opinions there, I realized that the solution offered was a few inches off the right offer.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
20 Feb
@LadyDuck Historically, we Hindus have not shared good relationship with Muslims. But when it comes to human pain and fairness, religion definitely takes a backseat. Kinda, I am less of a Hindu if I cannot be fair and understand another human being. I understand the Palestinian plight, first under Turks, and then under the Brits, and then under Jews. Is it slave dynasty being transferred from one group to another? Their lands taken from them without being compensated. Without their free will. While Jews do deserve safe heaven, this is not the way.
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@LadyDuck (457110)
• Switzerland
20 Feb
@vandana7 - I know what you mean Vanny. This morning I have read terrible disturbing news about the Palestinian women detained in Israeli prisons. They are human beings and deserve respect.
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@ptrikha_2 (45416)
• India
19 Feb
Excesses from both side. Hamas doing a terrible act of almost a war on 7th October 2023. Israel retaliating far too extreme. And while common folks suffer, Hamas leaders roam around in their palaces, Yachts and vehicles elsewhere. Both sides need to agree to a ceasefire. Yet the Palestine issue is a tricky one. Again worst suffering by common folks in Palestine and terrible ordeal for Israelis whose kith and kin are still hostages.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
19 Feb
But the basic issue is, the land belonged to Palestinians not Jews. Jews bought it. Albeit Jerusalem is holy place for three religions. Jews were a minority out there... We the rest of the world had forgotten the true story. Harsh measures remained the only way to get the world's attention. From the article...Syria, Lebanon, Palestine were all part of Ottoman empire ...the present day Turkey I suppose. In World War I, it was defeated, France was given charge of Syria and Lebanon, and Brits were given charge of Palestine. The two nations had to ensure that locals could take charge. Syria and Lebanon ..posed no issues, but in Palestine, the Brits UNILATERALLY took charge of it like one of their colonies, even though it was assigned to them by the League of Nations. Various formulas that were unacceptable to Arabs of the region were put forth. Using the influence to Truman, Jews got some of the Palestinian land. Palestinians were naturally irritated. First, they were defeated by Turkey emperor. Then the Turkey emperor was defeated by the World, and their land, they lost their rights when Brits took that decision unilaterally. Now, with periodic skirmishes, Israel is gaining more land, while the actual inhabitants, who are still the majority, have no place to go. To be fair to the Jews, they too deserve a safe place. But Israel perhaps is not the safe place.
@ptrikha_2 (45416)
• India
20 Feb
@vandana7 One of the original proposals by British Government was to have a Jewish homeland somewhere in India. As of now, the best could be to have a ceasefire and then have both sides practice restraint and sideline the extremist elements.
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@ptrikha_2 (45416)
• India
20 Feb
@vandana7 Yes and if willingness is there, solutions could still be found. As of now, ceasefire still seems far off.
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@Shavkat (137168)
• Philippines
20 Feb
I just hope that the war will end peacefully soon.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
20 Feb
Lots of people die. Killing is never the solution. If it was, would the Jews have rebuilt their nation?
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@JudyEv (325087)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Feb
Thanks for the link. It's an incredibly complex subject. I can't imagine where, or if, it will all end.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
20 Feb
In a way ... we all have been indifferent to the plight of Palestinians I think. We may need somebody great to call for a meet and come up with a plan to bring down the conflict. Camp David accord type. Yes, somebody or all three might be killed.
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@apsmine9 (308)
24 Feb
The plan to take over Palestine from the Palestinians by wiping out large masses of people have been going on for decades by Israel. What surprises me is that how come world governments are not taking any step to save and stand by the Palestinians. Does Israel control the World Governments too?
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
24 Feb
I do feel sorry for Jews. So scared and desperate to be safe...they were willing to overlook the injustice being meted out to Palestinians for that feeling of security. I guess, I would be no different in their shoes. But there should also be realization that how we were thrown out from our secure lives, we should not be doing that to somebody else. It creates fear and resentment. While Jews will not contemplate attacking Germany anytime, because they have been given security of land to restart, Palestinians have no such foothold. I am glad some Indians are well read not to let religion over rule their sense of right and wrong. For ages, Hindu Muslims have fought one another. But when it comes to right in Israel Palestine conflict, I guess, we the world need to sit up and come up with different solution. It is Muslims who are suffering. In fact, we may calm a lot of Muslims if we do that.
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@apsmine9 (308)
24 Feb
@vandana7 The Tsunami in 2004 did not touch that part of Andaman and Nicobar Islands where Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Parsees, Christians stayed together bonded by the spirit of brotherhood. It is this unity that some people need to break. How on earth can the people in the bureaucracy and governments sit quiet and not do anything about it, for decades? Doesn't it show that they've some kind of agenda in mind?
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
24 Feb
@apsmine9 LOL... that is carrying the concept of secularism too far. But I agree that lots of things happening nowadays are tongue in cheek way of provoking Muslims. That is one quality of Hindus which has hurt us in the past. We need to stop being like that. There are a lot of things I do not understand about the present central government. Like why is Ramji alone in Ayodhya temple? Why Maruti is not with him, why Sitaji is not with him, why Lakshmanji is not with him. Why is it that we spend less on Ramji's statue and more on Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel's statue? Why is it that Modi did not call his wife to sit beside him for the ritual and how the priests accepted that? How 20 years imprisonment of rapist is gonna reduce rapes? And are rapes the only crimes against women? What about Acid Attack which makes the victim almost unemployable for the rest of her life? What about people who are trafficked? Eye wash. When Sengar issue came up, stoic response was ..law will take its course? Why Sandeshkhali does not prompt similar response? I am for confiscation of entire property of the rapist, acid attacker, and people who traffick others as well as their parents, spouses, and children and grand parents. Wrong values inculcated should be punishable crime. I am also for tattooing their crimes on their entire body. Only Burkha will save them, if at all. Nobody would employ them. No imprisonment. Cut their hands....let them feel the helplessness of the women they rendered useless for the country. People forget the crime once it is behind the bars. When they see such a person begging on the street, and nobody giving alms, they will not commit such crimes, and their children will also not commit such crimes. And let others learn f
@LindaOHio (155161)
• United States
19 Feb
I wish people would learn to live together without conflict.
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@vandana7 (98666)
• India
19 Feb
In this case, conflict actually came because rulers didn't understand or care about the subjects.
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