Only doing the JOBS Americans won't do?

United States
June 15, 2007 4:20pm CST
Apologists for illegal immigrants will tell you that our illegal friends are only doing the jobs Americans will not do. Really? How about they are committing the crimes Americans won't? Read this article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268961,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/immigration The point of this article is that federal judges in districts with a high proportion of illegals have about 4.5 times the number of felony cases as other judges. The extra cases ARE from the illegals committing crimes. Do you think this statistic will make any impression on our national leaders? Does this article make you reconsider your position on illegal immigration? (Whether you are for or against it.) Given that most federal judges are open minded and fair, don't you think that they are complaining about this situation should count for something?
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Jun 07
It should make a difference. I doubt that it is impossible for people from Mexico to come in legally and do the picking in the fields or work as maids for wealthy families or in factories doing piecework, and many of us who are European born, did come legally and some of us did do these jobs and even many Americans and Canadians in my country still do this type of work. I doubt that saying the illegals are committing more crimes will make a difference. For once thing society will blame it on that they are poor and oppressed and they do not have decent jobs and live in poor neighborhoods, but it stands to reason if a whole lot of people come in illegally, the criminals come in too.
• United States
16 Jun 07
All the comments so far seem to support the hypothesis that the leaders of the USA would like to make the USA more like Mexico. The leaders of the USA seem to like the idea of a super rich ruling class exploiting everybody else. Just like Mexico, the country with more billionaires than any other, yet so much poverty people flee! It is time to vote out our current crop of politicians.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
one question that I have about all of this, Where did this come from that Americans wont do these jobs?????In whose world? Almost every American that I have know throughout my life as an American has done some form of manual labor. Most of them are just happy to have a job...I know many American people who have dig the ditches, and done the construction work ect....so excuse me but some of them make it sound like thats a justification and its not...
@us2owls (1681)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Go to Realtor.com - hit Texas on the map - then look at Brownsville. Look at these homes. We are looking for a home in the south. My daughter called a couple of the realtors listed for the homes we liked. Guess what she was told. It was a neighborhood for Mexicans. Poor, oppressed, live in poor neighborhoods. I don't think so.
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@joe137 (60)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I agree with you that immigration needs to be addressed. We spend billions of dollars on services for illegals, but even more for the poor in our country. Hundreds of millions spent each year processing illegals through our criminal justice system. However, crime is all the same. We have crazy people American born as anywhere. Our crime is the worst of any country and I don't think Mexicans are to blame for that.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
You are right that Mexicans are not to blame for our high crime rate. However, you missed the point of the article. The exceptionally high crime rate in areas populated by illegal aliens is the doing of the illegal aliens. The evidence for this is overwhelming and convincing. The rate of felony trials is over 4 times as great as in areas without so many illegals and the people making up the extra cases are illegal aliens. So, while all nationalities have crime and no nationality causes another to have crime, it is also true that illegal aliens in the USA are commiting felonies out of proportion to their numbers.
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• United States
20 Jun 07
"Yes they commit crimes, but at no more a rate than your average American." Joe, I'm sorry but this is not true. The point of the article is that there is convincing, documented proof this is not true. I wish what you say was true. There would not be any problem if it was not true. You are ignoring evidence. Don't take my word for it. Go to any small town employing illegals and check some population figures, police logs, and court records.
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@joe137 (60)
• United States
16 Jun 07
rhey've become products of their environment. In America is more opportunity for jobs, a better life, and the opportunity to make monry through unconventional means. Areas in cities populated by American citizens who are poor also have huge surges of crime. America has the highest crime rates in the world. This would happen with or without illegal immagration or any other kind. I'm very patriotic, but you are barking up the wrong tree if you think a decrease of illegal immigration will significantly lessen crime in this country. Yes they commit crimes, but at no more a rate than your average American.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
That is complete b***s***. Americans do want those jobs. Many Americans want work and money, but employers want to hire illegals because it is cheap labor. Employers do not have to pay illegals the kind of money that they have to pay citizens. Illegals are committing crimes, but the system does not seem to care. Decent Americans have to suffer at the expense of people who are not from here. People who want to live in America need to be here legally.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
I hope it is clear that I agree with you! You certainly sound like someone I would not want mad at me!
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@koikoikoi (1246)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I hope they think twice about giving them papers. I don't want them here and I'm hispanic! They're just coming over here to rob, kill, and commit crimes. At least some come to work the jobs that Americans won't do. But still our prisons are freaking crowded.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
Not even I believe most illegals are here to commit crimes. Still, it is a fact that illegals are way over represented amoung our prison populations. That is, a lot more of them (illegals) commit crimes than any other group in the USA.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
When I say a lot more illegals commit crimes I'm talking on a per capita percentage basis. The numbers are out there. No one wants to talk about it.
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@Riptide (2758)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I think all illegal aliens are criminals, simply because the word illegal already says it. They have already broken the law by jumping the border and therefore are criminals.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
Yes, you are 100% correct. Don't you get tired having to tell people this? I know I do.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
16 Jun 07
When I think of illegal immigrants - no matter where they are from my blood just boils. I think of all the hassle and paperwork - the number of trips I had to make to the US Embassy in Liverpool England to be allowed to get into the USA to join my American Serviceman husband. My oldest child was born in the UK. We went through a big hassle to get her an American passport even though her father was a US citizen. My husband had to make a sworn statement that he would not allow either one of us to become dependant on the State or Federal government. It took us about 4 months to get it sorted. I say if they are illegal - catch them and send them back where they came from. Strengthen our borders and keep them out. Spen the tax dollars keeping them out rather than feeding them when they get in illegally. Rant over - LOL
• United States
16 Jun 07
Everyone I know agrees with you. I do not know who the politicians in favor illegal immigration think is going to vote for them, except for the illegals! It is certainly time for the majority of Americans to start voting some politicians out of office.
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@maryannemax (12156)
• Sweden
15 Jun 07
anything illegal is wrong... that's why it's called illegal. i am from the philippines and i always have dreams of going to america to work one day. but i want to do it legally. i hate to be hiding from the law. things done legally will be more beneficial for me than being there working illegally. plus, i won't have benefits if i stay as an illegal alien only. i got your point here redyellowblackdog. and i hope others will get the point, too. i hope those illegal immigrants in your country will try to make their papers lega. it might take time but it's better compared to what and where they are now... anne
• United States
16 Jun 07
We can always use more honest Americans who respect our laws. I hope you get to come to America some day.
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• India
21 Jul 07
I am from India and working as network engineer.I think so many Indians are working in the IT field there and mojority of Indains in your country are working legally.It is a dream for every Indians to come there and work there.I am totally against illegal migration and it is the duty of your government to stop it by strict laws.
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• United States
21 Jul 07
I agree with you and wonder what is wrong with those who disagree.
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@lonewolfnan (4366)
• Canada
15 Jun 07
I will start by saying I am a Canadian.But it seems to me that there are MANY illegal immigrants whose sole crime is that they were born in a poor country and tried to escape that way of life.But if you have 1 person doing a crime while 99,999 others are working hard,then that is the the case that makes headlines.That is like saying all teenagers are bad because one disrespected you.The US does have an immigration problem.So how about tightening the borders to stop people from just running into the US BUT increase the #'s allowed to legally immigrate.Instead of basing it on money(who can afford to buy their way into the country),look instead at what skills etc they bring to the table .How about looking at job sponsorship as well?I agree something has to be done,but the answer is not just one thing.
• United States
16 Jun 07
The points you are making are logical. It is as big of a mystery to me as you that our government does not act along the lines you suggest.
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@katprice (806)
• United States
13 Jul 07
You aren't kidding! Before the invasion, our farmers were farming their farms perfectly fine without any help from illegals. 13 Americans are killed every day by illegal aliens driving drunk. This website has a whole catalog of illegals and the crimes they commit here - in OUR country, against OUR citizens, on the taxpayers dime. http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/criminals.html
• United States
13 Jul 07
Thank you for the link. I will add that illegals here in the USA kill more Americans per year than do Iraqi insurgents. Does this mean the struggle to keep the USA is a quaqmire and we should just turn it over to the illegal immigrants? (sarcasm alert!)
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
15 Aug 07
I think if the companies that are hiring the illegals were heavily fined or seized, the companies would think twice about hiring them. The companies get a break hiring them and paying cash, b/c they don't have to pay the insurance or taxes to have them and the illegals get paid in cash so there is no record of their income plus they don't have to have anything withheld or pay any taxes. AT PEACE WITHIN
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• United States
15 Aug 07
You are right. I wish I knew what to say or do about it, but I don't. How about this? I think regime change in Mexico City brought on by the US military might be the answer. I'd even be willing to officially declare war. By force put in a government that does not hoard all the money and opportunity into only a few hands. Then there would be jobs in Mexico. I believe the Texas Army National Guard could do this for their summer trainning.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
15 Aug 07
Although its a nice idea...I think they need to fix their own country. It seems we keep going to other countries trying to straighten up their messes. I think if the ppl had to live in their own country they'd work more on making it a better place. AT PEACE WITHIN
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
26 Jul 07
There you go getting my blood pressure up again! I have nothing against someone who does things the right way and comes to this country but for those who just want what they want and dont care about the country they say they love so much. I have little pitty for how hard they have worked while they have been here. The place where my oldest son and two of my nephews work is full of illegal immagrants and its not farming but factory work. Every time INS shows they all run and hide. The sad thing is the owner has never had a thing happen to him which goes back to what I said before if they put up real jail time for owners of comapnies who hire people in this manner than we wouldnt have a problem. Looking at the proposed immigration plan literally makes me ill. Ok by these standards I should be able to rob a bank and if I dont get caught just pay taxes on the money and everything will be forgivin, give me a break! I am not even gona bring up the issue of security and borders.
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• United States
26 Jul 07
I certainly know what you mean about blood pressure. That's partly why I have my dog and cats. They really do lower blood pressure. Now, back to the topic at hand. My solution to all the problems facing this nation is to vote out all the DUMBOCRATS & RETARDICANS and replace them honest patroitic democrats and republicans. How to tell the difference? Almost all the DUMBOCRATS & RETARDICANS are incumbents. If you just vote against every incumbent, you will be voting correctly 99% of the time. There, solved that. Next problem?
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@MyoanBiz (140)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I live in a town that's seen an upsurge in the Hispanic population the last few years. When it comes to crime there's a statistic that's changed dramatically. The outstanding arrest warrant list is comprised of 80 to 90% Hispanics. One problem is that hardly any Hispanic pulled over for a traffic violation has a drivers license. I don't know what they do use for ID, but the local law has stated they have a problem because a lot of these people have more than one name, so the law doesn't really know just who they have. There was one case where the inmate tried to pass himself off as a minor & later on it was found out he was someone else completely in his mid 20s. Since they have no real ties here, they get arrested, bond out of jail & skip town. And yes, the court reports in the local paper are now comprised of mostly Hispanic names & I'm told our jail is predominately Hispanic. If things are as bad as they are a 1000 miles away where I'm at, I couldn't even begin to imagine the circus that goes on in the southern border towns. As for the federal govt doing anything to help them out, it'll probably be to little to late. Like usual.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about. There are a few towns here in Arkansas with the exact same problem. You have to see it to believe it.
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• India
16 Jun 07
I'm an indian.I really don't know about the extent of the problem over there. But we have a similar problem over here concerning illegal immigrants from neighbouring states. Most people look at this emotionally and tend to over react. But I must say that "Illegal Immigration" should be banned for one simple reason because its "Illegal".
• United States
16 Jun 07
Your position in this matter is well and clearly stated. I would also say that it is entirely correct. Believe it or not, there are Americans who would disagree. Don't ask me what is wrong with them, I have no idea.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
18 Jun 07
You better watch out or people will start calling you racist just like they did me when I pointed out that 30% of our federal prisons are full of illegal Mexicans and yes they are mexicans and if that offends anyone I am sorry. It has been reported that many times that the Mexican Federalies are bringing prison buses to our border and dropping off their prisoners and telling them that they are pardoned as long as they don't step foot back in Mexico. Of course they are going to do crimes here. We have stuff for them to steal. Oh but I hear people saying right now "Oh they are only trying ot better their lives". Well next time you have an illegal break into your house don't come crying to me just shrug your shoulders and say they were just trying to better their lives.
• United States
18 Jun 07
Well, it is a little late for the warning. There's a fellow earlier in the thread who called me both a racist and Hitler. When I asked him to correct any incorrect information I had posted, he pointed out my spelling and grammatical errors! Obviously, he was not interested in a serious discussion, only the chance to be confrontational and to call names. Though I have got to admit he was right about the mis-spellings and the grammar! :-) Thanks, for your response. It is good to know there are thinking rational people out there who do not go crazy or start calling names when confronted with truth.
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@koikoikoi (1246)
• United States
16 Jun 07
As a matter of fact I found a mistake in your comment below the first response. You see your first sentence is a run on. Instead of a comma try a period. Like that. Like this. Like after this too too. Oh and I found a lot of them in this comment: I's only pretend hillybilly as I weren't born'n heres in Arkansaw. I jist act like and think'n lik hillybilly. Tanks fer repsnse. :-) Be glad to correct any incorrect information I posted. Find any? I would help you correct the grammar but then how will you learn? Oh and by the way it's spelled T-H-A-N-K-S. Any more questions their Hitler?
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• United States
16 Jun 07
I'shur preciate the hep frend. We's dumb hillybillys needs all hep we get. No mor qestions, T-H-A-N-K-S agin.
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@koikoikoi (1246)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Well you're just a little racist slice of cheesecake aren't you wonderbread? Too bad my kind doesn't have hillybillies like yours maybe you'll have something to really talk about that grosses you out.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
I's only pretend hillybilly as I weren't born'n heres in Arkansaw. I jist act like and think'n lik hillybilly. Tanks fer repsnse. :-) Be glad to correct any incorrect information I posted. Find any?
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Is the statistics taking into account the total population of the area? It seems to me, more often than not illegals are attracted to bigger cities- better chance of finding work, better chance of blending with the populace, etc. It's only logical that Los Angeles is going to have a higher crime rate than say Kittery, Maine as the size of the population is considerably larger.
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• United States
16 Jun 07
Yes, I believe the statistics take into account the population of the various courts.
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@wachit14 (3595)
• United States
16 Jun 07
The problem is so huge that it will take billions of dollars to fix it and that's the biggest part of the government's problem right now. If we weren't in a war that was putting us in debt for the next century then maybe we could fix the problem along with a crumbling healthcare and public education system.
• United States
16 Jun 07
When you put it that way, it sort of makes me glad I'm not a congressman, senator, govenor, or president.
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@mada9898 (193)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Jobs that Americans won't due. As a high school student in the 90s I would have worked in a field for 10-12 dollars an hour down south. However, I could never find a job that would pay that high. I always settled for a job for about 6-8 dollars an hour. I don't think that argument is very good. Yes, and you are right the increase of illegals the increase of crime because how can the government track you if their are not papers etc?
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