Are these guys really geniuses?

Are they really Geniuses? - They guys are considered to be geniuses. What if they were born centuries later?
@argie713 (1809)
Philippines
June 30, 2007 10:08pm CST
We have learned in school that ancient philosophers and mathematicians are good. They are well-known up to know for their philosophies and discoveries. I have this weird idea. What if we were born all at the same time? Will they stand out from the rest of us? Some are deserving but some popular figures of the ancient times are there because they were just the first to formulate those philosophies and theories. Can they be considered geniuses if they were born today? Or will they be just one of us?
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@stealthy (8161)
• United States
1 Jul 07
Well, there is something to be said for someone who formulates a new idea, or philosophy or theory no matter when they live. If it is correct or is perceived to be correct, it can make them stand out over the general populace. If it were easy or didn't take some brain power everybody would come up with it. It all depends on how genius is defined. Today's IQ test usually try to measure logical thinking, problem solving, spatial relationships, etc. Some of these are inate and some can be taught, that is why IQ tests are more meaningful when given to the young than when given to adults. So I would say that many of them would still be able to do original thinking and perhaps still come up with new things. They would have to learn more to get to that point than they did in there time since knowledge has advance so far.
@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
These guys are to be admired. I have learned so much from them. There are some who discovered things by accident and they get credit for it. Some people even stole ideas and claimed that they were the ones who first discovered it.
@stealthy (8161)
• United States
1 Jul 07
Sometimes it pays to be in the right place at the right time but you still have to recognize what you've got even it happened by accident. Stealing someone else's idea is another matter and one can only hope it catches up to thief eventually.
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@Debs_place (10551)
• United States
1 Jul 07
I think they would be, the fact is they pushed the envelope of their time and going beyond what is normal demonstrates greatness and genius. Yes, they would be geniuses. Look at the drawings of DaVinci, the man was hundreds of years ahead of his time. If he were alive now, I am sure he would predict the future just the way he did then.
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@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
I guess I was wrong to judge this people. Some of them realy deserve to be called geniuses.
2 Jul 07
Da Vinci was a true genius and it's interesting to speculate about what he might have achieved if he had lived now with all the resources of our present technology at his command.
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@drannhh (14902)
• United States
1 Jul 07
Well, I believe Einstein's math teacher thought he was stupid and look at Van Gogh, whose paintings sell for vast amounts of money...he was only able to sell ONE painting in his whole lifetime. Gregor Mendel failed his oral exams in college, and Ignatz Semmelwiess (the obstretrician who was smart enough to discover that doctors in 19th century Vienna were carrying germs from one person to another and thus killing their patients) was drummed out of the medical profession and ended up in a mental ward. Some people are rewarded for genius in their own time (Michelangelo was!) but most, I think, are not. So, you see, you still have time to be a genius. It is not too late!
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@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
Me? I don't think so. Not in this lifetime.
@AmbiePam (43416)
• United States
1 Jul 07
What made them a genius was how they rose above the conditions of the world at that time to make such a discovery. Their then culture also immersed itself in learning. We may think education has never been so prevelant, but we had nothing on them. Even the women limited in their education, were wise beyong OUR years.
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@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
True. They studied hard and worked hard to achieve those things.
@Rozie37 (15505)
• Turkmenistan
1 Jul 07
I get what you are asking, but I think that you should think in terms of purpose. These people who were made famous by the things that they discovered were simply fulfilling the purpose for their lives. They were born at just that time to fulfill just that purpose. We are here now to fulfill our purpose, whatever it is. I believe that I and a lot of other people are fulfilling one of their purposes on Mylot. That is one way that I approach posting on here. I feel that I have made a difference in people's lives and they have made a difference in mine.
@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
MyLot is a place where different cultures interact and share their thoughts. We have helped each other out bh sharing our thoughts and ideas.
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@tigerdragon (4297)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
all of us are geniuses in our own way but the only difference is that they know how to use the power of the mind. we lack discipline to focus on things and thus not cultivating our creative thought. it is all about knowing what you want and just simply permitting ourselves to recieve it upon asking. it is the power of believing and doing it and not just saying "ya i know it" but you do not practice it.the mind is so powerful that whatever you think becomes real so be careful with what you think of.i would suggest you get hold of the audiobooks ,books, or get hold of the dvd copy of THE SECRET.
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@urbandekay (18314)
2 Jul 07
No, clearly we are not all geniuses or by genius you just mean human. Clearly there are individuals that go beyond talent and produce some truly original and insightful work that enriches humanity. all the best urban
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• Philippines
2 Jul 07
i suggest you read my post again,slowly.you would understand why.
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@urbandekay (18314)
2 Jul 07
Re-read your post again, you are clearly wrong; if we are all geniuses in our won way then to be a genius just means to be human and that is not the case. To be a genius is to be exceptional. And clearly to be exceptional means being different from others. What you appear to be trying to say is that we are all potentially geniuses, which is a different matter. Also, it is a highly speculative claim without any evidence to back it up all the best urban
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• Philippines
1 Jul 07
...i believe they would still be geniuses, for we know that fact that most of innovations today came up based on the knowledge past unto us by our great forefathers..so if we will all be born at the same time, they would still be geniuses...we owe our knowledge from the basics principles these early great minds have founded..
@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
It could be the case.
@dfollin (11920)
• United States
1 Jul 07
They probably would not stand out.Probably genuses in their day and age are the dumbest people of 2007.Just my guess.Only God knows.
@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
Who knows.
@tinamwhite (3255)
• United States
1 Jul 07
I believe that if these men had been born into this generation...they still would have excelled..they were pioneers in their fields...BUT they utilized all of the available educational material available at that time before expanding their thoughts....
@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
1 Jul 07
Might be. People now lack the discipline these guys have.
@derek_a (10904)
1 Jul 07
I would say it depended on whether they were born in our day and age or we were born in theirs. In their time they were geniuses and/or great thinkers that were probably obsessed with their subjects. If the mind pursues a question long enough, it tends to come up with anwers. It is just a bio-machine :-)
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• Philippines
1 Jul 07
I can't imagine them to be with us now. If that would happen then there must be someone else who discovered the things we know today. But if that happens, I think they'll still stand out. They have these capabilities that many of us might not have like their curiosity to discover mysteries, their passion to solve problems and their commitment to what they do.
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@santuccie (3371)
• United States
1 Jul 07
I think it's difficult to say, although I'd be inclined to believe that the pioneers of modern knowledge would most certainly have been powerful in mind. Today, we have the IQ test. If you score 146 or higher, you're rated as some sort of genius. They have "genius," "high genius," "highest genius," and "genius beyond measureable limits." Anything over 200 is considered "beyond measureable limits." I am of the understanding that Albert Einstein was in that category.
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@EvanHunter (4030)
• United States
1 Jul 07
In todays society they would probably be saying "would you like fries with that". Philosophy doesnt seem to have much use in todays society which is sad. We have grown by leaps and bounds in technology but morally and philosophically I think we have probably regressed.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
1 Jul 07
Maybe they are not that geniuses, nor weren't actually at their time, if you check more variables in their lifes. Usually, thoose kind of people were loosers in their social life, and thus, they had lots of time to spend on thinking on that things others don't take into account. Also sometimes their phiklosophies (as Plato's) are not so great, just are wrotten with weird words so that nobody understands them. If you get to understand what was Plato talking about, you will find it is very similar to Nazi's philosophy.
@urbandekay (18314)
1 Jul 07
Well being a genius does not make one a success necessarily and certainly Plato was a success in his field founding the Academy at which Aristotle studied. Nor is there much to recommend many so called successful people for their intellect. For instance, I personally know a number of people that would generally be considered highly successful who are thick as pig-sh*t. Neither is it true to say that Plato's philosophy is similar to that of the Nazi's although it does have some likenesses there are also very significant diferences. But I do not wish to defend Plato, his philosophy is over-rated and I think is just one of those that happen to be in the right place at the right time. Others do, I consider, qualify as genius and would do today. Aristotle for instance. all the best urban
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
1 Jul 07
I agree with your "right place at the right time" idea, what I call an oportunistic, not a genius. I bet he was a looser in real humane relationships and feelings. I like the figure of Aristotle. But I don't think he was a genius, just honest and good in his work. Maybe Miles Davis was a genius, but not for what he made himself, rather because of his ability to take others' ideas and put them together in a higher level.
@urbandekay (18314)
2 Jul 07
Well, then it comes down to what you mean by genius. Miles Davis was certainly an immensely talented musician and lets not forget Coltrane but I don't think they are on a par with Aristotle. Why? Well, there are a lot of talented and gifted people out there but they are not geniuses. To be a genius is to go beyond talent, it is to create some truly original and profoundly insightful work. Aristotle is a genius for the following reasons. 1. The breadth of his work; Aristotle writes significantly on such a wide range of subjects, including science, philosophy, rhetoric, drama, etc. 2. His work stood as the defining texts for over a thousand years. 3. Even today there is much Aristotle can teach us. His Logic is still valid and no real additions were made to it until Frege and Russell in the early 20 century formalised the predicate calculus and every scientific discovery confirms Aristotelian Logic. Nancy Cartwright has drafted a revised Aristotelian account of science which she argues, not unsuccessfully, is a better framework for understanding than the present conception. Aristotle is still influential in philosophy of mind. No doubt there are other contemporary Aristotelian influences. 4. Even the two largest religions of the world, Christianity and Islam have been influenced by Aristotle (A mistake in my opinion but still evidence of his greatness) Islam by Ibn Rushd and Christianity by Thomas Aquinas. His work is thus startlingly original and if it does not seem so it is due only to familiarity that time has bought to it. All in all, it is hard to think of a more suitable candidate as genius than Aristotle all the best urban
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• United States
2 Jul 07
I really think that the ancient Greek philosophers would stand out today - they would not be oridinary by any means. Many of their teachings are still highly regarded today and result in long debates and discussions. To carry that much relevancy for so many centuries has got to classify a person as a genius.
@urbandekay (18314)
2 Jul 07
Yes, a good point! all the best urban
@cnetboss (2477)
• Philippines
15 Aug 07
It really depends on the situation. I've seen some people with this much talent but sometimes other people tend to misunderstood them because they are different or their ideas are too advance.
@cassidy22 (2975)
• United States
14 Aug 07
Of course they are geniuses. If they didn't do the research and copius studying and experimenting that they DID to "discover" the things they did AND had the guts to publish their findings, we would be where we are today. If they were born today, we may still believe the eath is flat, we wouldn't have space travel, or deep sea travel. We wouldn't have the technology we have today if the scientists and philosophers of yesterday were't there to do the work they did.
@jmicy1029 (197)
• China
3 Jul 07
I have to say that they really have high IQ . And they are really skilled in their field. But they are just special in that narrow part ,without that eviroment,their talent went away...so you can show up !!
3 Jul 07
Yes those guys are genuises .They are just far from the ordinary.We also have some geniuos in the world today.All those scientist of years ago will still be considered highly intelligent if they are in the world now.They discovered so many wonderful things that we all learn in schools now
• United States
3 Jul 07
I think many of the great philosophers and mathematicians of old were truly geniuses. If they lived today, I think they would still be regarded as some of the most brilliant people of their day. No matter what time period someone lives in, it takes something special to formulate a new idea and to go behind the norm. Some of these people were centuries ahead of their time.