Why is it that if a lesbian couple or homosexual couple want to get someone to

@suspenseful (40316)
Canada
March 1, 2008 9:21pm CST
write an positive article about their lifestyle or get photos taking of them in a positive light do they go to a photographer or publisher with definite Christian values when they could go to a photographer or a publisher who has their 'values?" Are they intending to wipe out Christian businesses entirely and do they not know that they will never win? That eventually they will see the sordid outcome of their 'victory?' There has been a couple of cases in Canada and I heard that in some states, the homosexuals and lesbians are suing Christian businesses and the only way for the latter to win is to go completely to the Supreme Court. http://www.christianlibertybooks.co.za/detail.asp?ID=313
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@zeloguy (4915)
• United States
2 Mar 08
OK first remember that any place of business has the right to serve or not to serve anybody for any reason. Also remember there is religious freedom in the US. Which means that if one's religion says that gay/lesbianism is wrong they are protected by the US Constitution. In fact I have heard of an instance where someone would not serve someone who was gay and another person had to step in and serve them. TOTALLY legal... and if they get fired over it that could create a storm of controversy. On the flip side... people who live a 'different' lifestyle has the right to do so as well. Freedom and liberty have to go both ways and have to be tempered with acceptance. This goes with religion... we can practice any religion we want as long as it does NOT interfere with others. That includes Christian, Bhudism, Muslim, Tao, Satinism, etc.... On a recent trip to a Muslim country I was unable to adopt a child with my wife because I was not Muslim. One of the requirements of adoption over there..... not the case in the free world. We have to accept we are all different, from different backgrounds and cultures and we have to live together on this one world. There is no one right or one wrong... that would be just... too easy, no? Thanks Zelo
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@sid556 (31005)
• United States
2 Mar 08
I don't understand what their sexuality has to do with the God they believe in. I think they are fighting for their rights to pray in the church of the religion that they believe in. I don't blame them a bit. Isn't the "judging" supposed to be left to God?
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
2 Mar 08
i think the problem her is one of freedom, you cant both have it and limit it at the same time
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@sid556 (31005)
• United States
3 Mar 08
I don't understand exactly what you mean. But then again, if the Christian religion is as hateful and bigoted as you portray it to be, then I even more don't understand why anyone would even want to be a part of it, let alone fight to be a part of it. Personally, I choose to remain non-denominational and that way I won't have to worry about choosing the wrong church.
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@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Your discussion reminds me of something I read in the online news a while back. A couple contacted a photographer to take pics of their wedding. The photographer agreed, set up the appointment and all was good. Shortly before the wedding the photographer found out that it was a gay wedding...he refused to do the pics saying that it went against his religious beliefs. The gay couple sued him for breach of contract and won, I think, a $6000. settlement. (That's as close as I can remember the article). Now, what bothers me is that first off, why didn't the couple tell the photographer when they hired him that it was a gay wedding...after all some ppl do have problems with it. Secondly, when did the "right to refuse service" idea go out the window? And third, if your planning a wedding, don't you want it to be a happy, joyous day...not one where ppl are ticked off at each other. I'd think that the couple would have interviewed several photographer's till they found the one they liked the best...not just picked one at random. [b]**AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~ [/b]
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
7 Sep 08
Oh I think the couple knew photographers who would photo homosexual or 'gay' (I think I will put my Merriam Webster Dictionary in my shopping bag and next time-- I mean as a writer, I need as many synonyms as possible) but did not go to them, so they deliberately searched out a photographer who was a Christian and deliberately did not tell them that they were homosexuals until after the contact was signed.
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@LittleMel (14055)
• Canada
15 Sep 08
i thought about that too, twoey. i mean a business owner has the right to choose who to serve, afterall he is the one who will lose the money so the customer can take their money somewhere else. it's also true that when planning for wedding the couple would surely get to nitty gritty because there will be a lot of money involved in it and it is going to be their day per say. the photographer shouldn't deny his responsibility after signing the contract, but if he signs the contract without knowing it is gay wedding that is against his religion, I don't see how the law didn't consider his freedom of religion too. but then again, how is it that he didn't know it was a gay wedding? did the couple go there and sign the contract themselves? because if they did he would've known they are homosexuals and could've refused to serve them before signing the contract that binds him
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
2 Mar 08
hmmmmmmmm not read about this but I say let them alone thats their life style Just dont see them getting amrried no point in that at all. Dont see anything wrong with getting pictures took either.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
8 Sep 08
Well there were other publishers who would have not objected to their lifestyle, so why did they go to a Christian publisher. I think that it was deliberate. They wanted to make it so no Christian publisher could refuse and that if they did, the publisher would go to jail and they thought great! We won! But they did not realize that a Christian would refuse and would go to jail and even face execution or torture if it comes to that and would obey God rather than man and not man rather than God.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Thats ok too
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@bonbon664 (3470)
• Canada
2 Mar 08
I think the book you refer to "The Homosexual Agenda" is a crock. I read some of the stuff on the link you posted, and it's ridiculous. I don't believe that there is an agenda. I think everyone has a right to do business where they wish. Their lifestyle shouldn't be an issue, and photographers and writers who want to stay in business should do business with anyone. Who cares if you don't agree with a client's "lifestyle". People in business should bite their tongues, and carry on.
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• United States
3 Mar 08
I would like to add to your comment. You said that a Christian should not go against God...You're absolutely right...If you believe that strongly in your faith then you should follow along with those beliefs but keep in mind, God also said that you shall not judge and God is also supposed to be all forgiving...So really, if someone were to judge and not forgive another for their lifestyle...Are they acting like a Christian? I think not.
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@Rozie37 (15503)
• Turkmenistan
2 Mar 08
I did not read the article, but this is very sick and sad. I do not know what I would do in that situation, but I know what I would not do. I would not give in and take their picture and I would not lie as to the reason why either. I would do some serious praying and leave it completely in God's hands and go on about my life.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
2 Mar 08
That is a good idea. The publisher is paying dearly for his decision, but it is better to suffer for doing right, then for doing wrong.
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@Rozie37 (15503)
• Turkmenistan
2 Mar 08
You got it.
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@gandatwo (602)
• Australia
2 Mar 08
Please define right and wrong for me? I beleive in gods eyes all men and women are equal,I have faith and trust,and I know "God" as one says,is total unconditional love.I do believe I read somewhere "Judge not lest yea be judged"?Many a person has become unstuck by taking the wisdom of the bible literally.Live and let live is quite often a wiser solution.
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
7 Sep 08
Simple if you obey the Ten Commandments, then you are living right. Otherwise, you are living wrong. So if you steal or cheat or murder, and go after someone else's wife or husband, and moreover curse God and do not put God first place in your life, you are doing right. Otherwise you are wrong and you are wrong if you keep silent about those who do those sins.
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@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
2 Mar 08
I just do not understand what you are talking about.What any couple do is their own business, be it gay, lesbian or straight, and most certainly not my place to judge.I know that some Christians feel that it is their right to preach against others, but my feeling is that it is better to clean up your own back yard before you start on others. The Christian church has not got a snowy white past or present for that matter, and rather than do something about their own values they misdirect the public by painting others with the same paint brush. It is my belief that we are all the creators children, and for me to be in judgment of you is to judge my self as well. and to make every thing clear I believe in a creator, and that we are all children of the creator, after that it is all just guess work.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
2 Mar 08
I go to church because I am a sinner. I do believe that a Christian has to not sin, or try not to sin and cannot do things that are considered major sins. So according to you, because some Christians are sinners, and some Churches have members that disobey God's commandments, that a publisher should allow the lesbian couples to get their own way. So we Christians should not get a sinner to come to repentance because well I happen to like chocolates too much, I sometimes say the bad word, and I will stomp off when I am angry instead of trying to sort things out. So only perfect people can correct others. And those poor people who are living in sinful ways will be dying of horrible diseases, watching their health suffer, and losing their respect all because that only ones without sin can get them to change. Well God can get people to change, but HE uses preachers and others, for those who do not want to go to church, to get them to think. OH in the Bible, it speaks of the woman caught in adultery, Jesus told her to sin no more. And did not Paul, who before threw Christian men and women into prison, write letters and wrote one in particular about a congregation who was not condoning a man who was sleeping with his father's wife? He did not say it was okay.
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• Australia
9 Mar 08
I could get into a debate here, as I am not religious, but it is a no win for those who are religious because I have an answer for everything. What I will say is that religions need to catch up with the world of today, because according to them, this world is the same world that God created, just more advanced.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
8 Sep 08
I do believe you ought to obey God rather than man. So if God said from the beginning that homosexuality is wrong it is still wrong now. I doubt that HE went and created a man/woman or a woman/man because HE would have made them different looking and appearing. But to have someone feel attraction towards his own gender and yet not look different, well that is proof that God only created man and woman. And a Christian will stand up for his beliefs and die for them rather than offend God.
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• Australia
15 Sep 08
I understand that there are those who live by religion, but it really isn't for everyone. Having your faith would help you to deal with life's little hiccups, but I prefer to rely on my own instincts and feelings, that way, I can't let anyone down. I actually want to study the bible one day, but not for religious reasons, I've heard it is a good piece of literature so it is on my to read list.
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
12 Mar 08
I have no idea unless they are trying to push this on others....People do all kinds of things these days...I know some homosexual people and a few lesbians because they are close to my family, but i am not either of those,they know it as well as i know that they are..We do not discuss these things really we just accept the fact that they are what they are....If that is what they want to be i say "Oh well" its their life...We respect each others views and do not push our views on each other....If a homosexual couple or lesbian couple go to a phtographer to get their picture taken its up to the photographer to do whatever they feel to do....I see not reason why it should effect them in any way,they do not have to publish anything....they just take a picture...they do not have to approve or disapprove of anything..When i was a hairdresser i had a lesbian couple come to me to get their hair done, their money was good,thats all i cared about that i did what they askes and they paid me for my service..I did not feel like i was condoning anything just by doing their hair...
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
13 Apr 08
They wanted to promote that they were homosexuals. Now supposing two women say that they want a photograph of them together, and do not tell him that they are lesbians, then he is none the wiser. But if they say we are married to each other, then he knows they are doing what is against God's will and he has the right to refuse. I do not have any friends that are lesbian or homosexual and although I might know someone, I would have no idea because I do not shove my left hand with my wedding ring in their face and drag my husband and say, 'See, I am married! That is my husband!" and I do not think that a lesbian or a homosexual drag their partner and say, "I'm gay!"
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@carmelanirel (20979)
• United States
2 Mar 08
Makes you wonder about the "Christians" that accept that lifestyle, are they going after them too or just the ones with higher standards?
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
8 Sep 08
I often wonder that too. Maybe they forgot that part where Christ said to the woman caught in adultery "go and sin no more." Maybe they figured that you can go on sinning when you become a Christian. Maybe they are afraid of persecution. It does make one wonder. Oh the homosexuals are going after the ones with higher standards, but don't worry they will then going after the ones who accept their lifestyle. So they do not get off scott free. It is like when the Nazis went after the Jews, there were some working as police officers and as clean up crews in the concentration camps, but after a while, these got sent to the gas chambers.
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