Were you offended by Obama's "typical white person" statement?

@dizzblnd (3073)
United States
March 21, 2008 8:45am CST
I can not copy and paste yet grrrrrrrrrr.. but if you type in "typical white person obama" in your search bar you can find the story if you haven't already heard about it. Me?? I was NOT offended, I do not like Obama, but I feel the media blows too much out of proportion. I know, I know, we, as "typical white people" can not say "typical black person" without an uproar. He is correct in the fact that a lot of white people of his, mine, and yours, generation of grandparents WERE racist. I think that is what he is referring to is THAT generation. I don't think it should have been blown up as big as it was. I am not, nor have ever been racist. My grandparents were, but my parents did a good job in making sure that their beleifs were not passed on to us
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
21 Mar 08
I was offended, for 2 very clear reasons. 1. It was a slap in my face in the respect that black people can say things to and about white people that we can not say to or about them. His comment, made in the public arena was like saying, "I can say this, you can't. And you can't even complain about it." It was the ultimate arrogance. 2. The underlying assumption of that comment was that all white people are racist. That comment was in referrance to his comments about his grandmothers racist comments that upset him. So, in his mind, all of us "typical white people" say and feel those same things. It is apparent to me that Rev. Wright has had a much bigger impact on Obama's life philosophy than he admits. I live in a highly ethnic area of Florida. In my son's school the "white" people are the minority. There are heavy hispanic and black populations here. Many from the islands. We all try not to categorize people. There are black, brown and light skinned hispanics. There are black people from probably a dozen different countries. We were highlighted in National Geographic as one of the most diverse areas in the country. And we all get along very well. These comments drive a wedge between the races. They undo all of the work that we are all trying so hard to do. I resent that.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Ojassa, Though I currently live in Florida, I grew up in the city of Chicago. If you are familiar with Chicago I grew up around the Archer and Kedzie area. I graduated from Columbia College located at 600 S. Michigan Ave. I road the subway/"L" every day to school. I am very familiar with the inner city. I rode the subway often times at night and shared the subway cars with gangbangers of all ethnicities, black, hispanic, italian, polish etc. Depending on the neighborhood you were traveling through, you would see all types of ethnicities. I am VERY familiar with the racial divide that exists. In fact, most of the time in my classes I was the minority. I did not intentionally misinterpret his words. He said, "I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occassion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." He may not disown her, but it is clear from those words that he is accusing her of prejudice and racism. Webster's defines racism as, "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is a prejudice based on such a belief." One would not "utter racial or ethnic stereotypes" if one did not believe that they were superior to the race that they were disparaging. His message was clear whether or not you want to believe it. So to clear up that offensive remark, he goes on to say, "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees someone on the street she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society." As I believe I pointed out above, his initial comments were clear that his grandmother made racist comments. Now he says that she is not a racist but we white people can't help ourselves because these racists thoughts are bred into us. Come on. You may like the guy and that's ok. We live in a free country and we can support anyone that we feel best represents our vision for America. I am proud that we live in a country where we can do that. But if one honestly looks at his words, HIS prejudice is clear. Up until a few days ago, the media was all gaga about what a great speaker Obama was. He is inspiring and a great orator. Now suddenly he is not. He is not unclear. And we are misunderstanding his intent. Unlikely. He said exactly what he meant.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Great post Progamer. Thanks for the kind words. You made a great point about defense mechanisms. We all have those but as you pointed out, that is not racism.
• United States
22 Mar 08
One other comment. While I did in fact grow up in Chicago, Barack Obama did not, nor did his grandmother. In his early years he lived in Honolulu Hawaii and then moved to Jakarta Indonesia from age six to ten. After that he moved back to Honolulu to live with his grandparents until he graduated high school in 1979. It was during this time that his grandmother made comments that made him "cringe". So I'm not sure where this urban, racist, in-bred mentality came from. His grandmother lived in Hawaii as did he. It appears that I am not the one intentionally misinterpreting his words. It seems that others are pouring more meaning and rationale into his words than they deserve. Let's please stop trying to make excuses for him.
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• United States
21 Mar 08
I did think it was a very ignorant thing to say. Was I offended? No, I think I was just really disappointed. He is, by saying this, implying that all white people are alike. Just like some people think all black people all alike. It's just plainly and simply ignorant. Does that make Senator Obama ignorant? Yes, pretty much so. How can he be the candidate of "hope and change" if he is stuck in the past? Oh, and I am not so naive that I think there are no biggots in the world. There are plenty and they come in all colors! I am 53 and I have never been a racist; my parents never were. My Grandparents never were and if alive, they would all be over 100 years old. His speech just goes to show that there are, indeed, racial problems in this country; and they are not all caused by one race or another, but by all of them. He is more a part of the problem than a solution in my opinion. Flash to: "Hillary Clinton says "typical black person" in speech." What do you think the headlines would be saying? She would be finished! So, yes, we do have problems with race in America. That is more than evident.
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
21 Mar 08
If Hilary said it, I think it would be the end of her political career. Again, I think Obama was talking of that generation's time in general and did not intend for it to come out as a racist remark. I don't want either hilary or Obama in the white House. I feel the media blows thing out of proportion, either for against the canidate of their choice.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
22 Mar 08
I was not offended, but the statement was revealing. I'm still drawing conclusions over this since it is an important topic in my view. I have (and still am) entertaining that it was a misspeak or it was a reference to common sense. I also see the reference to past conduct which is obvious. However, I do think there was a bit of racism and excessive assumption in the comment. I also know that there are people reading this and responding to the discussion that are already coming up with assumptions of their own based on my response...some even drawing upon race (yes I already know what some of you are thinking...sometimes even before you thought of it -_-). Not all people of a certain color are the same, and a "typology" for each one can be questioned. It can also be seen as insulting, stereotypical, bigoted and in my opinion, pathetic. There is a double standard as well in this matter too. If someone did say "typical [insert minority here] person" then they'd be subjected to the PC/totalitarian character assassination, even if their comment was misspoken, referred to something historical or taken out of proportion. However, anyone can say typical white person (and MANY variants of it) without ever catching heat for it. I mean you can go to the sunday or net comics, TV, radio, music... you could catch plenty of comedic references to "white folks". You could even find instances of people praising each other for such remarks. Hmph...While I may be going out of range, there is still something to be said about all of this. It is relevant and its quite revealing about what is going on with the states. Is there really going to be change with this "typical white people" rhetoric? Or will it just be the same scenario? I will say this. The topic has been quite a drain and a drag. Anyone notice while all of these things are dominating the news, the economy is in a major tailspin (far more than most people know). People know about the gas prices, but coal also rose too (high energy bills anyone?) Crops are also rising in price as are needed goods (groceries). Meanwhile, none of the candidates have really been on this. This issue has its merits, but it is getting too much press, and the states' priorities are looking laughable.
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• United States
24 Mar 08
Good points theprogamer. This topic has been a huge drain on our national psyche. But I think that to some degree it should be. I think that there has been a lot of underlying race related thoughts running through peoples minds that have not been expressed because of fear of the PC police. It is good for us as a nation to address this. My son, who goes to a high school that is around 40% black, 40% hispanic and 15% white, tells me all the time that he gets shouted down by some of the black kids if he even shares his thoughts about race. That is wrong. Perhaps this conversation in the national arena of thoughts, will help us to get past the expereices that my son has shared and find true equality. In that regard, this is a good thing. But I have to say that you freaked me out a little since you "already know" what some of us are thinking. Scarey!!! Lol.
• United States
21 Mar 08
I think the bigger point you make here is that "us white people" if were heard saying typical black person we would be immediately dubbed a racist. Every single time I have made a comment about Obama on here that is what I have been called. I think it is all just double talk and him trying to recover with a legitimate excuse to mask his own racism.
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
21 Mar 08
Double talk huh?? I never thought about it that way. But as the responder below has stated... his pastor has probably had a bigger influence on him than he would like to admit.
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
22 Mar 08
The problem to me is this.. we don't know much about some of the newer candidates except what the media wants us to hear. We don't know any of them personally, so it is really hard for us to make an semi-educated decision about who we want for President. Let me reiterate, that I don't like Obama, but I can't say that Obama is racist. I don't know whether or not he truly believes what I believe to be the crap the his pastor has been preaching all these years. Only HE knows how he truly feels about these things. But for the media and the rest of the world to assume, based on that "typical white person" remark that he is racist, to me is wrong! Thank you for responding.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Forgive me if I am lmao at this. I do believe I said in my original comment that EVERY single comment I have posted about not liking Obama as a candidate has resulted in ME being called racist! No matter how logical my reasons for not liking him have been the people who jumped my @$$ in the comment I made always made it a race issue. I was a "typical white racist" because I don't think the world is ready for a black president. Me and the Governor Rendell of Pennsylvania are both going to burn in our own little private racist he!! for this, I am sure. So I cannot help but find humor in everyone who jumps to Obama's defense saying that his remark wasn't racist at all but have no problem jumping my @$$ or anyone elses and calling us racists for making remarks about his skin color.
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@Sarah187 (90)
21 Mar 08
For him to even mention the word 'white' is a shockto me. He would have know what an uproar it would have caused with every white person. Indeed if any whitey was to even stutter the word 'black' in a sentence, regardless of whether we were talking in past or present we get called racist. Caucasian is the correct word if he would like to talk about the 'white community' in the future. I am not offended but more suprised as its always the blacks that play the racism card... No offence to anyone by that either!! I love all colours god made!!
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• Turks And Caicos Islands
22 Mar 08
This whole race issue has left me so confused. Everyone says Obama is black, I do not think he is black. He came from the womb of a white woman, how can he be just black? My niece is mixed (black and white), I wouldn't just class her as being black, but society has it's own classification. To me, Obama is as much white as he is black.
• United States
21 Mar 08
Personally I don't see how anyone could be offended by that statement. I'm black and if I see a weird looking black person on the street, I'd probably go in the other direction too. Of course if I see ANY weird looking person, I'm going to go in the other direction. I don't think that it should have been blown out of proportion either, but then that's why I don't really pay attention to traditional media.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Hi Deanna and welcome to myLot! I do not want to offend you at all but I would like to ask you a question. What if someone responded to your post and said, "Your comments sound just like a typical black person." How would that make you feel?
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@smacksman (6053)
22 Mar 08
Nope. Didn't worry me because I am white and I don't have a chip on my shoulder about it. However there seem to be loads of blacks out there with huge racial chips on their shoulders that play the race card at every opportunity. And before anyone jumps on me - I lived in Africa for many years where I was in a '1 in a 100' minority group but we all got along very well at work and play. We didn't suck up to each other. We didn't live in each other's pockets. We just got along as workmates and neighbours.
@smacksman (6053)
24 Mar 08
Yes, it was a good, stable community. Unfortunatly it was destroyed by Henry Kissinger and forced into black majority rule and now nearly 30 years on has totally collapsed, to no suprise to anyone who lived there whatever their colour. Very sad.
• United States
24 Mar 08
Sounds like that community is what ours should be.
@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
22 Mar 08
I think the US is long overdue for some honest and difficult discussions about racism. It's become the issue that nobody wants to talk about - they just yell, "I'm not a racist" and plug their ears. That is not helpful or useful. If Obama can kick-start that dialogue, he's done the US a lasting and real favour that will have positive results for generations to come.
• United States
24 Mar 08
Good point.
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
21 Mar 08
I'd say that once again a lot of fuss is being made over what may have been a poor choice of words. He was talking about a "typical" white person around sixty-or-so years ago: Not necessarily racist, but unfamiliar and a little afraid concerning people from other cultures.
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@whittby (3072)
• United States
21 Mar 08
I agree, it was his choice of words. And I agree that the older generation is "typical" in this attitude. Sure there are exceptions, but overall.
• Belgium
27 Mar 08
I'll type out the interview for you guys; INTERVIEWER: You gave an amazing speech on Tuesday. We were actually at the constitution center but not giving as eloquent speech as you were, believe me. You talked about your "white" grandma and how there was a time even she feared black men and that she even occasionally would use a racial or ethnic stereotype. What does she say now about you being so close to the presidence? OBAMA: Well, you know, she's extremely proud. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial commodities, she doesn't. But she is a "typical white person." Who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been breded in her experiences that don't go away. That sometimes come out in the wrong way. That's just the nature of racism in our society, we have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is that you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that. ---- Well, I'm sure he did not intend for there to be such an outrage around his use of words. It's just ridiculous to see that the media picks out that part and ignores the rest of his statement. That's called 'taking something out of context.' His whole statement was talking about how racism was perceived in today's society and how it was slowly dissolving. Saying that 'typical white person' was a racist statement is just pure ignorance in this situation.
• United States
28 Mar 08
I listened to the interview and I didn't misconstrue what he said. He said what he meant. He meant that his grandmother was a "typical white person" who had mistrust of other races. There's not a whole lot to misunderstand here. He didn't say his grandmother was a "typical person" who had mistrust of strangers. No, he was specific. HE made it about race. What, blacks and asians don't exhibit fear of strangers or racist attitudes? And are they "typical"? I think that you simply don't want to admit what he said is what he said.
@lightningd (1039)
• United States
24 Mar 08
Actually, I was not offended by his comment, but then I look at the context in which he was speaking. He was stating that there are still racial barriers that we AS A UNTIED COUNTRY need to break through. His Grandmother was white. While she wasn't biggoted or racist, even she was, like many white people, concerned with people based on stereotypes. I spent the first 14 years of my life in Southern California. I attended school through 8th grade in southern california. I attended a school where black students were bussed in from a great distance during the whole "desegregation" thing. Did it work? NOT ONE BIT if you ask me. I was accused of being racist. I was accused of being a biggot. As a 4th grade student!!!! Me, who had just as many black friends as I did mexican and white friends. Me, who grew up with parents who had black friends that we dined with in restaurants, had BBQ's with. Why you may wonder???? During all of this desegreggation, the teachers and principals were told to come down on anyone who messed with the black students. This meant that regardless of what the circumstances were, the black student was in the right. What happened you may wonder??? We were lined up to go to lunch, and the girl behind me kept stepping on the back of my shoe and giving me a flat tire on purpose. She was laughing about it. I asked her politely several times to stop, and she shoved me so I hit her. I was hauled into the principals office and suspended from school. My mother was called. My mother asked why the other girls mother was not called. This is when the principal went into his tyrade of calling me racist. Who was in the right? Should I have just ignored it? Maybe. Maybe not. Did it change my feelings towards black people? Absolutely not. I still had the same friends. I didn't base my judgement on a group of people based on that one person's actions. Did I see the white principal as racist? Absolutely. He was concerned for his job. My mom lit into him but good. She wanted to know why the other girl's mother was not called in over a fight in the school yard, and why I was the only one who got in trouble. His reply was that because of the bussing, we cannot allow discrimination and violent acts towards the children being brought into the school because a child isn't used to seeing different races in her environment. In the end, he called the other girls mother, and that girl was suspended too. I believe it had something to do with my mom threatening to contact a lawyer. She, just like I, believe that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Funny thing though, the next year, that girl and I became pretty good friends. Until my dad lost his job because the company he worked for was closed down and moved to China, and we had to sell our house and move. What many people don't realize, and what Obama is trying to get across to people is that we all at some point in time, as white people, have more than likely moved to the far side of the sidewalk based on a person's race. I understand what he is saying completely. We have to get past these stereotypes. Granted, it seems more prevalent in Older generations. Today's young adults are much smarter for the mistakes that my generation and my mother and grandparents generations made.
@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
25 Mar 08
Sounds like there was affirmative action going on back then before it was even named. It is a happened. Regardless of the color of anyones skin, all of the parents should be notified. It is awesome that you didn't let that experience change your opinion of a different race, for this is what keeps the hate cycle going. In the end though, finally the right thing was done. It always amazes me that, in high school as teens, we can "hate" on person one year and become best friends the next. I think that happens to a lot of us and says a lot for our character. Thank you for sharing this story, it gives great background and gives a great insight as to who you are :)
@mrpippo (756)
• United States
21 Mar 08
i was a bit offended because if a white person used the term (typical black person ) we would have every Al Sharpton (type)person raising hell ,but a black person can say typical white person with no problem ,i believe its not fair...
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
22 Mar 08
It is a shame, but you are correct. It is a double edge sword of a society we live in today. We (as the human race) have to walk on eggshells almost every day. Watch what we say, what we do...etc. With the quick-to-sue world we live in..... it is ALMOST enough to make one not want to leave the house
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• Hyderabad, India
21 Mar 08
Not really it doesnt affect me. There are people out there who propagate hatred and color. In that generation yes it was like a wild fire. I think it is still prelevant today only exception being that Laws became strict and court rooms very strict, otherwise it will creep again.
@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
23 Mar 08
mrslisae.. This is the point I try to make to my teenage kids. If they are at school all day, I don't know what goes on at their school (obviously) When my daughter comes home from school, she will tell me about this "Puerto Rican girl" that said this or that. I stop her. I say.. look.. I wasn't there.. it makes no difference to me what the race is of the person you are talking about. You can say this girl really p!ssed me off. I would understand that. I hate the labels. In our Central Florida schools, we are very diverse. There are MANY races in that school. I tell her not to do that, because THAT is what keeps the hatred wheel spinning.
• Hyderabad, India
24 Mar 08
People like you really do bring a change to the society. Keep the good work going on probably people outthere will try to learn from you.
@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I try. Hopefully the world will catch on soon. It has been going on far too long.
• Australia
22 Mar 08
No, and I am white. I actually got the impression that this grandmother was a typical white person of that day, meaning that she was somewhat prejudiced towards black people. Maybe that's not what he meant but it came across that way to me.
@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
23 Mar 08
When you listen or read the entire speech, I think that exactly what he was saying.
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
22 Mar 08
I agree dizz, the media does blow things way out of proportion, but I also think that Obama shouldn't have been put in the position to defend his church, his pastor or any religious issue to begin with. I think it's kinda odd that when the whole "he's Muslim" thing started to fall by the wayside then his current church starts getting put through the ringer, and he's put in this lousy position. This is a no win situation for Obama either way. If he totally disowns the church his critcs will accuse him of being fickle and turning his back, he takes the stand he is now and he's pulling the race card. Obama didn't make this campaign about race, the media did, and it's disgusting. In answer to your question, I was not offended by the "typical white people" remark. Because it's honest, whether people want to hear it or not. Let's face it, an educated voter seems to be a rarity, and it doesn't matter what color their skin is. And I also agree that he was speaking of previous generations, but we all know spin is going to make a big issue of it on the news shows.
@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
22 Mar 08
I don't know what was said, but to bring this to the open, I don't know you, what you stand for, or what you believe in. I tend to feel like Anne Frank that all people, despite of things, folks are the same but to a certain point. I do feel that this country was built on lies with the saying that all men were created equal, yet you considered African American to not be and considered some much percent human. I do feel however in today's society where you have folks of all races making strides, some of the stuff that happened yesterday will surely come back and visit and it still affects us whether we want to admit to it or not. I'll have to revisit this after I read this comment. but here's my standard two cents.
• United States
29 Mar 08
yes, it makes me upset that we have to still talk about "typical white people" or "typical black person"...just pick the BEST PERSON for the job. I hope you get a lot of responses for this post as I sat in front of my computer for a long time and had to delete a lot of stuff as I could not put it better then what you said...the news people have too much news about puff pieces like Anna Nicole Smith and Paris Hilton going to jail and Britney Spears doing God knows what..look how they treated Princess Diana? Now the newspapers and tv is all acting like the National Enquirer...methinks
• United States
23 Mar 08
i have been white most of my life..but i married a Filipina and we both think that BO is not the man for the high office of president..he is a smooth talker and slick but we will probably vote for the lesser of three evils..the last thing we need is an unknown person with a hidden agenda...Hilary or MCCain...but its too soon to chose ..its going to be a horse rade...in November
@tonyllenium (6252)
• Italy
22 Mar 08
i think it is not positive that a candidate for white house and probably one of the most important responsability around the world must be define'the typical white person'...Obama will loose i think ..it's flase person and he will show it as soon!!
@Marie37 (63)
• United States
28 Mar 08
"Us typical white people" get all skeered when we see a black person walking down the street? Hmm...I guess I better let my neighbors know how skeered I am of them.. Are you kidding me? Man, I'd say Obama is just digging himself deeper and deeper. All those koolaid drinkers better wake up before it's too late.