Everyone should read this! Truckers 'Shut-down' scheduled for 4/1/08 ....

@ladyluna (7004)
United States
March 29, 2008 6:33pm CST
Hello All, If this goes down as planned, each of you will be affected! I'll post the entire article, and ask my questions before hand. [b]1. Do you support this show of solidarity among truckers? Why, or why not? 2. Will you plan to make any necessary purchases from the grocery store, department store, pharmacy, home improvement store, etc... ahead of time? 3. Will this send the right message to the energy companies, governments, and especially to the energy speculators on the commidities markets? [/b] If this happens, we will definitely be forced to recognize how very dependent we are on our truckers! You can confirm this story at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60155 _______________________________________________________ Saturday, March 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Independent truckers planning shutdown They want Washington to address rising fuel costs Posted: March 28, 2008 10:00 pm Eastern [i]"Crude oil is running $100 a barrel and it costs $50 instead of $35 to fill your car, but you carpool occasionally and watch the number of trips across town so you're doing all right so far. But what happens when, in addition to the $50 fillup, your groceries go from $80 to $120 and you hunt for new jeans but the shelves don't even have your size? That's the very real possibility that is triggering an unofficial nationwide call for a shutdown by thousands of independent truck operators who deliver those supplies – all sparked by the rising costs of fuel. One website already explains about 18,000 trucks have been committed to the shutdown starting April 1, and whether it goes for a day or a week, they are hoping that their actions will get the attention of officials who, they demand, must do something to help. The Washington Post reports Lee Klass, hauling 41,000 pounds of hairspray from Florida to Quebec, stopped in North Carolina to refill fuel tanks, and paid $960. Diesel prices, he told the paper, "are terrible, and they're not getting any better." Auto clubs that monitor prices say diesel has gone up more than 50 cents a gallon in barely two months, and has been setting records almost daily. The nationwide average on one recent day was $3.87 a gallon. The newspaper warned fuel price hikes, especially trucks, have the potential to disrupt the Federal Reserve's plan to contain inflation while creating growth with low interest rates, combined with the money giveaway program approved by Congress. That's because trucking claims 70 percent of U.S. freight transportation, from the cars you drive to work to the milk your children drink. Tiffany Wlazlowski of the American Trucking Association told the Santa Maria Times projections are for trucking industry fuel costs in 2008 to reach $135 billion, up $22 billion in just one year. Her organization and the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association both are calling on Congress and the Bush administration to address those skyrocketing figures. The OOIDA has warned in a news release that consumers should not be blaming truckers for the rising costs of goods. "Often shippers pay higher amounts for shipping when fuel prices are high, but that money doesn't always trickle down to the person actually paying for the fuel," the group said." OOIDA spokesman Todd Spencer called the jump in fuel costs "a heart attack in the system." "Lawmakers need to know what's going on in trucking, how devastating this record hike in fuel prices is for 90 percent of the nation's fleet," he said. He said the association is aware of the call for an April 1 shutdown, but it does not participate in such movements because it is a trade association, not a union. On the Topix.com forum for truckers, "goingunder" pulled no punches in explaining what's to happen. "The date for the shutdown is April 1st thru April 6th …. nationwide, get the word out … tell every driver you know and then some … talk about it in the truck stops, yell it out on the radio … e-mail everyone that has an e-mail address," the driver said. "This strike is world wide now, not only are we striking but drivers from other countires are doing it as well, as we are all striking for the same reasons. We are already backed into a corner, and we have ran (sic) out of options," added Gator 714. "I think we can make an impact," added Flatbed Pete. "For the ones who say it won't work, you are probably on your way out of business anyhow. It is time we take a stand. Without us even for a short time will hurt everyone. Then maybe we can get the whole country back on track." How could a shutdown affect individual consumers? Just remember that your average discount store or grocery will be served my multiple truckloads of goods every day. No trucks backing up to the docks means no new consumer goods on the shelves. At the Truth About Cars, this announcement was made: "There is a confirmed shutdown in the works for April 1st." Several of the blogs and forums point to Dan Little at US Cattlehaulers as a leader. On his website he reports having heard from more than 400 trucking companies who have agreed to "shut down or go broke." "The government will hear us only if we stand united," he suggested. He noted he'd gotten calls from Sen. Hillary Clinton's office "checking in on our thoughts on the fuel costs and trucking issues." Although he's not in control of the overall situation, "please note, I do fully support this upcoming shutdown and will personally shut my trucking co. down on April 1," he said. "I am not the leader in this action but I have recv. calls from the AP, Senator Clintons office, and several others…" The OOIDA reported "hundreds" of calls from truckers concerned about fuel prices. "Even back in the 1970s, when we saw nearly 100 percent of truckers participating in strikes, it did not lower fuel prices," said Jim Johnston, OOIDA's president. "Short-term relief from the situation then was the result of a temporary implementation of a mandatory fuel surcharge." That cannot be replicated today because rates no longer are regulated, he said. One plan being pursued by OOIDA is to require disclosure of fuel surcharges on freight transactions and a 100 percent pass-through to those who are paying for fuel. The association also has petitioned the government to stop diverting oil supplies to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and instead allow it directly into the marketplace. Little reports his business has gone from a dozen trucks to one because of fuel prices. He told "Land Line Now" on XM Satellite Radio, "I'm calling for a one-day shutdown to get the attention of our leaders that we elected and sent to Washington to represent us…" One version of a widely circulated e-mail, unsigned, calls for rigs to be parked from April 1-5. "Others who participate in this event will still be operating on our nation's highways at a maximum speech of 45 mph," it continues. "Until the price of diesel is reduced to a rate of $2.00 on average, our country will remain in a recession. These drivers also believe that the more they charge manufacturers to transport products, the more strain is placed on our overall economy." The e-mail said it is not a "strike" or an attempt to organize a union, and drivers will not violate any laws. "This protest is to make the general public aware that, the recession we are in, has been caused by high energy prices," it said. Little posted a note that immediate relief could be obtained by having the government suspend federal and state fuel taxes "until such time that this economy is bck on its feet." He reported that several truckers in Georgia already have launched their action. "They said they could not hold out till April 1," he said. U.S. truckers already have watched their job security under attack by government efforts to open U.S. roads to Mexican trucking companies and their drivers.[/i]
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Yes, I do support it. I think people have gotten far too comfortable with the ready availability of things, and it is time that they realized that things do not "magically" appear on the store shelves. We take the truckers for granted, and don't realize how much we depend on them. We won't be able to buy ahead due to when the check comes in. With any luck there won't be a run on the stores here. I don't know if the speculators and commodities market will even care. but I guarantee that the population will. With luck, then the legislators will as well.
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• United States
30 Mar 08
The spelling is nothing special... I use Firefox which has a built in spellchecker. The mistakes I make are usually contextual, or I didn't notice the error, or I was using IE for some reason. As to the rest, we will get by . The message from the truckers is long overdue... and once upon a time I was one for a while... back in 85-86 for a bit.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I'm glad to hear that you'll be set, Destiny!
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• United States
30 Mar 08
I was an independent trucker for over 8 years and over 1,000,000 miles. I can tell you from experience that actual independent truckers shut down whenever they can't make a profit. It simply does not matter if anyone has organized a strike or not. I can tell you from experience that actual independent truckers run without shutting down, whenever they can make a profit. It simply does not matter if anyone has organized a strike or not. This is what being an "Independent" is about. Don't worry about the strike. These 'strike' plans do not matter as independents do not pay much attention to such things. What is going to happen is that as profits get too small, the supply of trucks delievering goods will dry up. Then freight rates will go up to cover the cost of fuel. I personally saw the price of diesel double in 6 months without it destroying the industry. Sure, it put a lot of people out of business. It will now. The industry as whole will barely be affected as to getting freight delievered. The consumer is hardly going to notice.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Red, I was hoping you would share your thoughts here -- thank you! So, you're saying that independent truckers will park their rigs whenever they cannot make a profit? And, that they will run -- despite a planned shut down if a particular contract will provide them with a profit? Which means that if independent's aren't making a profit now, then they will leave the deliveries to trucking companies -- teamster or not? So, then what happens if all these trucking companies do as they have said they will do, and simply refuse to run loads during the scheduled time frame? Do you think that the manufacturers will simply contact independents and offer them a higher price to deliver the goods?
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• United States
30 Mar 08
Over the years we have come to know these people as "SCABS". They are the people that are used as thugs to break up peaceful gatherings. They are the people that will sell their mothers soul to get something others already have. They are people totally absorbed in themselves and have no feelings for others. The words Union do even have to come up with these people. Because another word for "SCAB" could be "independent" if that person cannot see whats happening to everyone else to help them for the common good. I'm not a trucker or union member. But, having been educated and having common sense. I fully understand what is happening in the world today and how what affects the truckers affects me. I will do all my shopping on Monday and prepare to support the people involved in this demonstration.
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• United States
30 Mar 08
Yes, you are understanding what I am saying. Independent truckers are very much free enterprise oriented. They do what is best for themselves. All of society benefits as a result. In this case the benefit will be the almost uninterrupted delievery of goods throughout the nation. During my stint as an independent trucker, I often ran when others were on 'strike' and often shut down when others were not. I operated in the manner that produced the most profit for my truck. I counted on others only to do the same for themselves. Independents, by definition, operate independent of others and do not organize efforts in common.
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• United States
30 Mar 08
I see an error in a sentence in one of my posts which may have created some confusion. "The words Union do even come up" should have been "The words Union do NOT even come up" (The power of a single word). This post was not mean't to start a discussion about Unions and your right. Save it to a different post. I was merely trying to explain some peoples views of an independent as described by redyellowblackdog. Sometimes they have to forgo their independent spirit for a common cause which will help all. As the independents are the ones hurting the worst by fuel prices and I believe they are helping to start this demonstration proves my point. I really hope ALL truckers and 4 wheelers alike bond together to give a real nationwide demonstration that sends a real message. By the way. This was an excellent discussion (4 stars) and a lot of fun on a serious note. I live on a fixed income so the price increases of the past year has hurt me badly. So I guess I'll be supporting this strike with actions and emails as much as possible. Not only for people trying to make a living, but for myself.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello JoeMihalek, Thanks for the clarification, and the kind words. You're right that the word 'teamster' was not mentioned at all. Though, I'm thinking that the references to trucking companies agreeing to support this measure most likely indicates that, at least, some union drivers are in agreement with the spirit of the proposal. Frankly, I don't know how they could not be! I'm thinking that the word 'teamster' was not mentioned because in order for it to be, the Teamster's Union would have to approve. And, since unions are beurocracies at the top level, time would be a factor -- as there are many different Teamster locals. Of course, this is just a guess. I could be completely off the mark. Ahhhh, I digress. Anyway, I'm glad that you're supporting the truckers. Hopefully their message will be heard resoundingly. Also, please accept my welcome to MyLot. I hope that you thoroughly enjoy your time here! And, thanks for contributing to this discussion. The more people who know about this, the better. I'd sure hate to see someone get stuck without a necessity because of their having not known. Happy MyLotting!
@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
30 Mar 08
You bet I support them. I agree that we have become a country of convenience, and it's time for a wake up call. And if just one of our country's leaders wakes up and (doesn't) smell the coffee, then it will have made a difference. And when this affects everyone across the country, that can't just run to the store and grab what they need because it's not there, then more people will jump on the band wagon and start voicing their opinion loudly. We were just discussing this at work yesterday, the gas prices affect so much, I am a wildland fire patrolman, thing is we have been instructed to stay in-station and not patrol for fire lookout (smoke-chasing) because of the cost of fuel. I also have a 24 mile drive to work each day, yeah, I'm feeling it even though I use unleaded gas. If the price of gas keeps going up, I will either have to find a job closer to home (which would mean quiting my dream job) or see if I can be transferred to a station closer to home. Either way, something has got to give.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Palonghorn, Thank you for all you do to keep us safe! Since I live in the high desert, I am acutely aware of how important your job is!!! I can certainly relate to your commute. I travel approx. 40 miles, one-way into work. So, that's approx. 80 miles per day, if I don't do any errands, after work. Though, I run diesel -- which for decades was less expensive than regular fuel. Not so anymore! How long has this directive to 'stay in-station' been in place? I cannot imagine that the general public would be too happy to learn that our first line of defense against wild-fires had been ordered to rely on binoculars as opposed to being in the field. That's none too wise! As I'm sure you and our other fire/rescue personnel realize, with accuity!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I talked at length to a truck just the other day that is participating in this. He is an independant driver. He said that it costs him almost as much in fuel as he is earning to make some deliverys. With all our prices going up as the cost of gas goes up, our paychecks do not and neither do those of the truckers delivering! If the truckers are not getting compensated for all the rising costs then hmmm...who is?
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Sid556, Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. Is your question (which I have copied below) rhetorical or in earnest? "If the truckers are not getting compensated for all the rising costs then hmmm...who is?"
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• United States
30 Mar 08
sid556... Our costs are going up simply because the retailers and wholesalers costs are going up. The trucking companies have to raise the prices for deliveries in order to stay in business and in turn everyone else has to raise their prices for the same reason. The price of groceries and everything else goes up as a result, and the consumer gets charged more. As operating expenses increase, so do the consumer prices. It is merely simple economics at work.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Well, it just seems to me that if the cost of all we purchase is going up because of the rising cost of fuel that it only makes sense that the money we are being charged extra goes to compensate the truckers. From what this guy was telling me, it was not so then why are all our costs going up? If the money were actually going to the truckers then i'd understand but it appears that it is not.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Ladyluna, Great discussion! I believe the American public suffers no matter what! If the truckers strike (which it looks like at least a great number of them will)Then there will most likely be shortages of consumer goods. On the other side of the coin, even if they don't strike the consumer is going to get the short end of the stick because the cost of doing business is going to be translated down to the consumer. Oil prices are a direct result of what the commodities traders perceive them to be. In other words, if a trader (or traders) on the floor of the NY Mercantile exchange perceive a hurricane entering the gulf to be a factor in the production of oil and thus lowering supplies the price goes up, at least that's the way it's supposed to work. Lately it seems that there is no rhyme or reason for the price jumps! It just seems like the traders go in each day and bid the price up. It is my belief that untill we as a nation completely stop our dependancy on foreign oil this is going to be the case! The only way to stop this upward spiral is to flood the market with domestic oil of which we have abundant supplies. The reason the oil companies don't pump this oil more eagerly is because it is easier to add profit to the imported oil than it is the domestic. I'm all for free enterprise but these oil companies and their profits of the last couple of years are obscene! They are breaking the backs of their consumers and one day (sooner I hope than later) it will come back to bite them in the A$$!
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Hello Rodney, You're absolutely correct in pointing out that the consumer will get the short end of the stick, either way. If these fuel prices are not addressed, then we are going to see the cost of goods spiral out of reach. Which means that the businesses who manufacture those goods will have to cut back. Which means that some jobs will probably be cut. Which means that those families will not have the income to buy those more expensive goods. -AND- The spiral continues! The truckers realize this as well as anyone. Because, when some of those jobs are cut, some of them will belong to those truckers. Though, they won't be the only ones! As such, I sinerely believe that when we support the message that our truckers are sending, we are supporting the health of the overall economy!
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• United States
19 Apr 08
The trucker's strike has come and gone. Did anyone even really notice it happened? If it had not been for this post and an item on the radio news I would not have known it occurred.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
21 Apr 08
Hello Red, Point well taken! To say that an opportunity was missed would be an understatement. I did notice a rather obvious decrease of trucker activity during my commute, into and back from work. Though, it would seem that the activity has returned to prior levels, and without an organized media campaign, and skilled negotiation effort -- all is for naught. Grrr!
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• United States
31 Mar 08
I have not heard about this yet but I think it's a great idea. I don't go to stores very much anyway so it won't affect me. Heck, I might not even notice. I suspect I'll hear my children complaining because they seem to think a day isn't complete unless you go to walmart at least once. We Americans have too much, spend too much and drive too much anyway, we don't know the meaning of truly going without. Hopefully this strike will do some good in more ways than one.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Hello WhatsHerName, I actually heard coverage of the story on the radio news this morning. Apparently, the idea is really building up steam. Well, at least your kids want to go to Walmart. It drove us bonkers that when she was still in high school, the kidlette always wanted to go to Abercrombie & Fich, or JC Penny. She couldn't stand Walmart. Yet, we buy most of our staples at Sam's Club. Go figure??? I agree that we've become complacent with our comforts. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Though, you're on-target to point out that we no longer seem to remember what it is like to not have our comfort zone. I'm reminded of my Father's Depression Era stories. I'm especially fond of the tale of having to walk 10 miles to & from school, up-hill, in the snow. My Dad would only snicker when I would ask him how it could be that it was uhpill in both directions (chuckle, chuckle). Anyway, the 'shut down' is only proposed for one weeks duration. Yet, I'm sure that some people are going to find themselves pretty upset over this.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Absolutely, I support them and if it causes me some inconveniences I'll live with it. We all take the truckers for granted, I'm afraid, and I hope this opens some eyes. I'll try to get some things at the store before the 1st, if word hasn't already spread and the shelves aren't empty before then. I know several truckers so I know what they're going through and it's ridiculous. Annie
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Annie, I'm glad that you're supporting this. As well, I'm glad that you're planning ahead to cover the necessities. I hope it opens some eyes, too!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Here, here, Annie!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I was talking to a trucker at a local convenience store the other day and he's literally losing his butt, as I'm sure you can imagine. He has his own truck so once he pays for his fuel he has nothing left! It's a shame and I don't think enough people appreciate how important truckers are to our daily lives. I applaud them for taking action. Annie
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Well, I understand why their doing it but I still wish they weren't. I know they are trying to get the government to do what's right but it's the ppl that it's going to hit the hardest. **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Hello Twoey, I understand your concerns. A strike of any kind is always risky business. Yet, this is not proposed as an indefinite 'shut down'. Instead, it is designed to be just one week long. It would seem that the intent is to minimize the impact on the end consumer, while still demonstrating to 'the powers that be' that the economy is, and will continue to suffer from these high oil prices. While we consumers can gripe all day long about high oil prices. A message from the trucking industry is much more powerful than a message from individual consumers. It tells the 'powers that be' that the short-term effect, as demonstrated by a shut-down, could very well expand into a more wide spread reality, as truckers go out of business because of the current fuel problems. I wish that they didn't feel the need to 'shut down' either. Though, I can't argue with the message. They are looking out for the whole of the economy, as much as their own personal interests. Don't worry my friend, I don't imagine that we'll see a rabid run on the retail world. It's only a week! Is that any comfort to your concerns?
• Singapore
31 Mar 08
Hello ladyluna, Since the oil price hikes, each and every single goods, products, services and others have upgraded their prices. It is happening worldwide because this world depends on oil for transportation, manufacturing machinery and others. Do you think while the truck drivers are on strike, the oil prices will fell? Well, I predict it will fell a little but get up again in a few days time. Truck companies need to change their strategies to accommodate the rising oil prices and drivers should seek new petrol kiosks that offer low oil price rates. Though, price have gone up everywhere, there must be some companies wishes to attract drivers to their kiosks by offering low oil price rates. In addition, petrol kiosks may market ideas such as oil packages to the truck drivers. Therefore, instead of letting truck drivers going on strike, they enjoy more benefits from the rising oil price.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
31 Mar 08
Hello Titaniumsoul, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. If there is an immediate drop in the price at the pump, then it will clearly demonstrate the ability of 'the powers that be' to have an effect on the long-term price. Given that, I would not expect to see the price drop immediately. Instead, I suspect that the impact will be further out. If Big Oil, governments, and commodities traders take any action to decrease the prices, it will be begrudgeonly. Therefore, I expect that they will have to deliberate on what they are willing to do to positively impact our fuel issues. What I expect immediately are platitudes, pronouncing that they will do everything in their power to help out The People. So, I expect that this will be just an openning for consumers to continue to hound 'the powers that be' until real change is achieved. Does that make sense??? Also, thanks for sharing with us that this is hitting you just as hard in Singapore. That speaks to the reference in the article that truckers world-wide are planning to join in the effort. It's good to know that folks in other country's are just as fatigued by this problem as we are. The more wide-spread the support, the better!
@ltmoon (1008)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Sorry, no support here. It's the cost of doing business. Fuel prices in North America and several other countries have long been artificially low compared to the rest of the world. I don't like paying more either, so I have cut back my driving to the bare minimum.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Ltmoon, Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. It is certainly your prerogative to not support our truckers. Though, I would urge you to read my response to Guardian on page one. There are several areas in our economy where segmented greed are pushing this economy into a recession. And, while those segments will enjoy their increased profit margin, it will only be temporary and compartmentalized. While your effort to personally cut back your driving habits may have a miniscule impact in the overall scheme of things, truckers are far more important to the economy as a whole than an individual consumer.
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@ltmoon (1008)
• United States
1 Apr 08
Geez, thanks guardian for supplying a link to a very outdated list - the data is two years old, not to mention a very short list of countries. Checking lists you will find that all the countries with gasoline prices less than the US are oil exporting nations with the exception of Russia, which has some strange pricing controls, and China who has some unique trade and supply contracts with oil exporting nations that the US does not allow trade with, ie Libya and Iran. All other industrialized nations have higher gas prices than the US, including our resource rich neighbor Canada. Try this graphic display using data collected within the past year for a clearer picture of world gasoline prices: http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2653
• United States
31 Mar 08
Unfortunately, truckers don't have the option to cut back their driving. What do you mean that fuel prices in the US have been artificially low? According to everything I have seen we have been pretty much in the middle of global fuel price list. There are only a few countries that have higher fuel prices than we do and most of them are in Europe. http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html
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@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
1 Apr 08
Um....wow. I hope that this isn't somebody's idea of an April Fool's joke lol. I'm not sure if the strike would help them much (if at all), but I support it. I know that lots of them are putting more money into their trucks than what they get for personal funds for their families.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 Apr 08
Hello Lancingboy, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. The question of the timing does render an air of indredulity here, though I personally believe the truckers are as serious as a heart-attack. As you've pointed out, the increases of fuel costs are hitting them, and us all, in our wallets. And, people tend to lose their humor when it comes to losing their income. So, I guess we shall see, eh? Thanks for supporting their effort!
@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Ladyluna, Once again thank you for your intriguing post. I would certainly support such an action. But I am unclear on something. Exactly what do they expect to come from this action? I understand that they want our government leaders to do something about the high price of gas/diesel. But what can be done about it? In a previous post I outlined what goes into the cost of a gallon of gas. Typically the oil company earns about 9 cents per gallon. The federal government taxes it by about 18.4 cents per gallon, and depending on the state, it could add another 15 - 40 cents per gallon for taxes. I am not sure what they expect our government officials to do. Though they can cut the taxes on fuel, it really doesn't add up to much. Even if you remove all taxes and oil company profits, it is only around 67 cents per gallon. Have you heard anything about what exactly they think can be done?
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• United States
30 Mar 08
Ladyluna. What a beautifully written comment! I wish I could explain things that good and Gaurdian208. Please don't take my comments as personal or as trying to start something with you. It is only a view which is going to be expressed by millions of union, ex-union and non union people the majority of whom will support this demonstration. I personally feel there are so many variables involved here (mainly because of greed or governments) that a strike is sorely needed to bring them out into the open. My personal opinion (2 cents worth) is that oil is the main reason for the upcoming recession and is not being addressed as much as it should.
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• United States
30 Mar 08
Ladyluna, I don't see why you should worry about getting hammered. Your overall position is completely correct, without a doubt! It should be the role of government to ensure free enterprise and fair prices by making sure "COMPETITION" exists. Government has utterly failed in this because, WE VOTERS, don't elect the people who will represent us against the oligarchists & monopoloists. WE VOTERS, elect the people put up by, financed by, and owned by the interests seeking to eliminate competition and the 'little guy'. Today, not only in oil & energy, but in many areas we are moving toward, or have, oligarghial markets. Soon monopolies and EVEN WORSE, government owned business, are in our future if WE VOTERS don't start electing people to represent us as opposed to the special interests. You don't get hammered by me. I just wish more understood what you are saying.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Guardian, This is going to be a long one, so bear with me -- OK? Well, the article points out a few of goals, as outlined by the truckers. 1. The first is that the truckers are requesting that the Fed. gov't stop diverting fuel to the (S.P.R.) strategic petroleum reserve, and allow it to flow directly into the marketplace. This won't happen -- because the S.P.R. is the fuel that is set as the supply for gov't, the military, and FEMA. 2. The second is: truckers are (sort of) requesting something that I have long desired -- that the amount that the consumer contributes to government (be it local, state, or federal) by way of taxes -- be disclosed to the consumer. If we break down the following OOIDA quote: "One plan being pursued by OOIDA is to require disclosure of fuel surcharges on freight transactions and a 100 percent pass-through to those who are paying for fuel." I understand this to mean that truckers are requesting that freight surcharges be identified on the cost of goods, much in the same way that ingredients are now listed on food items. And, that truckers are fed up with being the link in the chain that has to 'eat' the reduced profit margin -- because of increased fuel costs. For example: we'll use my own personal experience with rising diesel costs in the last three weeks. If a trucking company entered into a freight contract a month ago to haul fresh strawberries for ABC Company; now a month later, the strawberries are ready to be shipped to the local grocer; yet it will now cost the freight company (or independent) .70cents (from 3.29 to 3.98 more per mile driven, who 'eats' that .70 cent per mile loss? The trucker does. So, one of the proposals (as I'm understanding it) is to float the fuel cost in trucking contracts. So, that the recipient pays the full cost of the more expensive fuel. Which, of course, means that the consumer will pay this cost. Yet, the truckers want the consumer to be notified about the nature of the cost increase to raise consumer awareness to fuel costs as the culprit. It seems to me that truckers are concerned that angry consumers will blame rising costs on the truckers, not recognizing that it's the rising costs of fuel that is responsible. Given the articles mention that truckers are proposing slowing down their travel to 45mph, to save fuel, this is very likely going to tick-off alot of drivers. And, commuters have a long history of demonstrating their frustration with big rigs on the roads, by way of aggressive and discourteous driving practices. 3. Third: the truckers are proposing that gov't temporarily suspend taxes on fuel. As you so poignantly pointed out in another recent discussion, we all pay a percentage of the cost of a gallon of fuel to the local, state, and federal governments. The amount that that percentage equates to rises as the cost of a gallon of fuel rises. Now, last summer when the media was discussing the unfairness of the gov't taking a chunk of the cost of a gallon of fuel (while doing nothing to get that fuel from the ground to the pumps), the national average that the gov't was taking was .42 cents. Now that the cost of a gallon of diesel is approx. $1.00/ga. higher, the govt's are taking even more -- while still doing nothing to get the crude oil from the ground to the refineries, and subsequently to the pumps. Where I believe that the truckers are missing the mark is twofold: First, I would fully support that the amount of taxes be listed on the pump. If every time we fill up our gas tanks, we see a sign at the filling station that explains that for every gallon of gas we purchase, we are sending .42, or .52, or more to the gov't, then it won't be long before people re-direct their angst at gov't, instead of truckers or retailers. Where I believe that gov't (who requires fuel tax levy for highway & transportation needs) will begin to explore all options (because as we all know, our elected don't like to get hammered with angry constituent phone calls), and will finally begin to explore the real cause of $4.00/gallon gasoline -- which is across the board greed. Let me explain my point: Every time something negative happens in the 'oil world', commodities traders are betting (by way of purchasing oil futures) that the price of fuel will rise. Those bets tell the manufacterer how much they can reasonable expect to be earning for their product in the future. As that figure rises, so to does the amount that goes to gov't as taxes, to OPEC, and to oil companies as net profit. While I am familiar with the .09 cent profit, as pronounced as the net profit per barrel by the oil companies -- what they failed to include in their figures is the profit that is now built into their subsidiaries by way of: refining costs. Back in the 70s, 80, & early 90s, when we were enjoying very low fuel costs, the reasons why the cost at the pump was low was because big oil & small oil were warring with each other. The end result is that alot of small oil went under, leaving big oil running the show. One of the specific targets was independently owned refineries. So, since then, many independent refineries closed their operations, leaving the refineries who were affiliated with big oil seeing a rise in profit from the refinery part of the operation. Eliminate competition, and raise prices. While some will argue that big oil is only earning a dimes worth of profit per gallon, they would be right when exploring the cost of getting the oil from the ground - to the refinery. Though, they are not taking into account that most of our nations refineries are now affiliated with, or are subsidiaries of the big oil companies. And, last summer when big oil released the .09 cent profit figures, the refining profit per gallon was averaging .13 cents/ga. So, the profit statistics, as conveyed to the general public, were incomplete. Still we should think long and hard about why big oil is earning .22 cents/ga (last years figures), while gov't is earning .42 cents/ga. Hmmmmm?????? As much as I support profitable business ventures, there is a reason why the big oil companies are seeing the high profit margins that they have been reporting (quarterly) over the past 2-3 years. Now, to be sure, big oil is enjoying more profits for their risk & venture, AS WELL, gov't is enjoying a huge rise in tax revenue, AND speculators are making a killing off of affecting the cost of tomorrow's oil. So, the culpability is wide-spread. Which means that there are options available to affect a general reduction of consumer & trucker fuel costs. Specifically, cut regulation so that more independent refineries can open. Divert oil purchases from cartels, like OPEC by extracting oil on US soil. Fix the tax rate, as opposed to having gov't duplicitously support rising fuel costs with a wink of the eye, as they benefit most from rising fuel costs. Extract petroleum off of the commodities market -- oil can not be equated to orange juice or coffee, because oil is a national security issue and not a choice! OK, I'll probably get hammered from all directions on this reply, though it is what it is.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Yes I would support them - my grandsons father is an independent trucker and I know he is having difficulty making ends meet. The price of fuel is disgusting. I parked my customized van because of the price of fuel and drove my daughters Mazda. sure missed my van but couldn't afford to fill it. I hope the truckers action gets a message for all of us to the Government.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Us2owls, Thanks for supporting our truckers. The potential of their message to have a broad impact is very great indeed. Though, it will be that much greater if we voters support their effort with phone calls, faxes & e-mails to our elected. I'm sorry to hear that your van is parked. I'm sure it's alot more comfy to drive than the Mazda is. Though, with fuel costs as they are, I completely understand your action.
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I support this for the most part. I've also had to post on here about how the rising costs of transportation is appearing in other facets of consumer society. Thats not even counting the increased cost on the producer side (before we even get to transportation). (I think) I didn't mention how these prices are causing painful costs at the pump for independent truckers... or wait, I at least mentioned diesel being an issue in the past. Anyways, I understand a lot of what is going on here. As mentioned earlier, I'd be nice to see how much in taxes is being paid on the gallon at the pump. It could read Price, State, Federal: $2.50 + .35 + .18 (just an example...). Like I posted in another discussion about John "Dingbat"'s/John Dingell's plan to raise tax by 50 cents, I'll post what was said there. The consumer already pays 50 cents in taxes on the gallon... why add more? http://commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html I may end up shopping a bit on 3/31. And I'll say this but its about the economic situation overall... This is just the beginning of the hell we've all created... Not completely the consumer,s fault, and a lot of the blame is on the higher ups and there is blame throughout... but in some form everyone's had a hand in creating the economic mayhem that is (and that which is yet to come).
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Progamer, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. Yup, that particular discussion was rousing, to say the least. Funny, I've been referring to him as John Dingbat myself -- the guy's gotta' be a real knucklehead! Especially since he's from Michigan, which has taxed itself into serious trouble! I guess some people never learn, eh? I completely understand your less than rosey outlook for our economy in the near future. It looks like we're headed into a 'perfect storm' of idiocy and irresponsibility. Though, I'd like more than anything to be wrong! I'm glad that you'll prepare for the necessities. And, that you're supporting, at least the spirit of the trucker proposal. It's a good first 'push back' from the consumers. Especially since truckers are a key factor in the life-blood of the economy.
@dancinman (119)
• United States
30 Mar 08
DAMMMM right, I support the shut down 100%%% I drove truck on , over the road ,for 2+ 3/4 years and I saw, FUEL GO TO, 3.96 A gallon and, it cost over 600.00 to fill the truck up.!!!! so what if my truck would go over 1,200 miles on a full tanks worth???? i mean think about it can you drive your car over a thousand miles be fore you have to fill it up again????
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Hello Dancinman, First, I'd like to welcome you to MyLot. I hope that you thoroughly enjoy your time here. And, thanks for sharing your thoughts & experiences on/with this issue. Is that you dancin' by your truck? If so, might I hear a two-step or a waltz in the background? Anyway, on to the matter at hand: Are you still driving truck? Because, I'm currently paying 3.989 for diesel. So, I'm thinking that your listed price is not far from mine. I'm glad to hear that you're supporting our truckers. The more people who support them, the better!