Praise His Name!!! (Just not too loud)

Shh - Shh, be quiet. Can't praise too loud
United States
May 6, 2008 11:32am CST
This is outrageous! A church in Massilon, Ohio, was ticketed for disturbing the peace on Saturday last week, because the policeman said they were disturbing the peace. People are worshiping and praising the name of Jesus, however, they are supposed to keep it down? This makes no sense. The pastor says they are going to fight this citation, and I don't blame him. The Lord says to come as you are, and if you are loud in praising him, then so be it. You shouldn't have to keep things quiet when you are in a place of worship and feeling the holy spirit. Here is a link to the full story: http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=410939&Category=9&subCategoryID=0
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42 responses
@emeraldisle (13158)
• United States
7 May 08
I'm going to jump into this fray here and state that the church was in the wrong. I don't care if they were a church, school or a person's home. If the noise emanating from there is enough to disturb the neighbors there is a problem. This wasn't even a one time disturbance, if it was the neighbors might have ignored it, but had been an on going problem for over a year. It stated right in the article: "For a year, members and neighbors have clashed over the sound emitting from the church's effusive services, resulting in some residents circulating a petition and police being dispatched numerous times." The church obviously cares little about it's neighborhood and cares more about posturing. Reading this article I was reminded of Matthew 7:21-23. "Not all who sound religious are really godly people. They may refer to me as 'Lord', but still won't get to heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey my Father in heave. At the Judgement many will tell me, 'Lord, Lord, we told others about you and used your name to cast out demons and to do many other great miracles.' But I will reply, 'You have never been mine Go away, fr your deeds are evil.'" They project their religion and yet don't seem to be following it because they don't treat others as they themselves would want to be treated. They don't respect anyone but themselves and that is a shame. They deserved the citation and they should pay it. They broke the law. First amendment your freedom only goes so far. If my religion is to commit human sacrifice you don't think I'd be arrested for murder if I did it? Should my right to religion out weigh that persons right to life? If my religion included having rituals that caused noxious fumes to emanate through the neighborhood they would have the right to complain and for me to receive a citation for it. This was no different.
• United States
7 May 08
You know what? I was ready to tell you a thing or two, when I first started to read your response, then I backed way off. I think that maybe you are right. I love my lord, and I do worship him, but you have a point, and I will be looking this up in my BIBLE. Sometimes though, more than not, people start crap for no good apparent reason, just because they don't like something. Now, if they are being really loud, and it has been going on for over a year, and it's been hard to handle, then Yes, maybe they should have to pay the ticket. Sounds like they want to do more than worship, maybe. Don't know for sure, but maybe through all of this it has brought someone to know the lord, like we all should know him. Have a good one! Marilyn
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@emeraldisle (13158)
• United States
7 May 08
Well thank you. I have to admit when I first saw a response had been posted i figured it would be to disagree. Thank you though for trying to see the other side of the situation. If you are going to look it up in the bible you might also want to look up Matthew 6:1-6. Part of it includes: "But when you pray, go away by yourself, all alone and shut the door behind you and pray to your Father secretly.." To be honest I think they are more likely alienating themselves from the community then to bring in more people, at least from their neighbors. It sounds from what they said in the article that the church elders aren't really interested in what the neighborhood thinks of them. It's just a shame it had to escalate to this point.
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@danzer (2732)
• Philippines
6 May 08
Oh what an incident! They must be too loud enough that truly disturbs or annoys the community. In our church, we say Amen, Praise the Lord, Hallelujah, but that loud enough to disturb too many people. We can praise the Lord even in the quietness of our spirit. Or it might be that the person who reported the noise have something against the Pastor or the Church and he just wanted to persecute the church. That will be another story, and the Pastor will be right to fight this citation. Or if the Pastor is godly, then he can go in prayer and tell God about it! God will do the rest.
• United States
6 May 08
I'm sorry I just can't go along with this. I understand that certain churches get loud, and certain churches don't, but calling the police to stop it is a mess. People are praising the Lord in church, and if it gets loud, its because of a joyous occasion, there is no cause to write a ticket for that!!!
• United States
8 May 08
..it's not like it's in the middle of the night or anything.. and likely doesn't last real, real long.. you'd think someone could tolerate that long..
• United States
7 May 08
Righty-O there missy, I totally agree with you, 100%! Even when I'm in my car driving around, praising "GOD", I'm not embarresed, nor should I be. I say fight the stinkin ticket. We have a right to praise our "GOD", and if it's a lil'-loud, then so what, it's not like it goes on for day's. Best of luck to all of them that attend there. I'll say a prayer for them, cause I know that prayer helps! ~Peace~ Marilyn
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@sid556 (31018)
• United States
7 May 08
At 10pm do you really feel you have the right to bother people for any reason? come on this is all ridiculous. Praise the lord loud and clear but do it when I'm not trying to get my grandson to bed or trying to sleep myself. heck....they';d bust me if i blasted my rock music at that hour...you guys are not special...end it at a considerate time!!!
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@makingpots (11928)
• United States
6 May 08
Our youth group at our church has a praise and worship band. They have received disturbing the peace warnings before, always from a complaint from just one property owner. Recently they were practicing and got really caught up in the spirit, so to speak, going over the timeframe they have been allowed. The associate pastor took responsibilty and received the citation personally instead of it being against the church. He and our pastor are praying about this with the belief that God will use this situation for his good. I think our assoc. pastor is a real stand up guy for the way he has handled all of this.
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@Ravenladyj (22992)
• United States
6 May 08
I'm sorry but a citation for disturbing the peace is the right thing as far as I'm concerned...praise all you want BUT have respect for the ppl of the neighbourhood who have little ones sleeping etc etc....If they can be heard throughout downtown and at that time of night (10:15pm) then I'm sorry but thats too damn loud! And as much as I'm all for ppl exercising their First Amendment rights..this comment isnt very Christianly IMO "We will consider our neighbors, but we're not going to compromise." Obviously a compromise IS NEEDED..
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• United States
6 May 08
You don't compromise your faith and praise for God.
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@Ravenladyj (22992)
• United States
6 May 08
Sounds like they haven't considered anyone but themselves EXACTLY! i agree...and they should get a ticket every time especially since the police have been there before for the same damn thing! and Song, just how Christianly is that type of attitude (Not compromising with the community)...having that "we dont care if we're disturbing you at 10pm we have praising to do so suck it up" is NOT very Christianly behaviour at all...
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• United States
6 May 08
God will take care of it. Praise His Name anyway!
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@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
7 May 08
The Bible say to "Make a Joyful Noise unto the Lord", Well, the Bible forgot to state how many decibals the noise level was supposed to be, or it didin't take into consideration the ignorance of some people.. Some churches have congregations that are as quiet as church mice, while other do say, Amen, Praise the Lord and Hallelujah.. But there are some, (and I have been to and enjoyed some of these), that are very loud, singing, preaching and praising the Lord.. There is nothing wrong with that, it is supposed to be that way.. When I am worshipping, I will worship the way that I feel, whether it be low, medium or loud.. I don't believe there will be enough laws to tell me how to feel when it comes to my relationship with God.. People need to remember that God will be there when there is no more, no more of them, their lives, nothing, when they are just a tiny memory or completely forgotten, God will still be here.. Amen
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• United States
7 May 08
AMEN!!!!
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@mtdewgurl74 (18122)
• United States
7 May 08
I used to live in Ohio and I have heard similar stories such as this. Once a woman got ticketed for honking the horn to let her sister know she was in her driveway and waiting for her. But they have a noise ordinance and they make people stick to it whomever and wherever and whenever. I myself think it is silly to give a church a ticket for noise when as you say they were just praising the lord. Maybe it will get thrown out of court if the Judge they get is a good christian Judge.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
6 May 08
You are right ,this is outrageous, i have never heard of this before..I think i would fight that too..They will win the battle because God is on their side...When you start messing with Gods people,you better be very careful...They are blessed to have someone praising God and worshiping.....
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• United States
6 May 08
Just went back to the story to look at the video. Looks like Youtube doesn't want to be in the middle of this. Yet they left the video of the girls jumping the other girl, as they were in court.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
6 May 08
Well when people start turning their life over to God,and getting healed and saved ,it stirs up the devil and he has to show his horns...I think this is wonderful..I know when i was filled with the spirit,i was so happy.I was shouting and rejoycing,and the next day after i was saved,i felt so wonderful..It was like the weight of the world had been lifted off of me and i felt as light as a feather...my little nephew was born with cancer of the liver..I took my little nephew to the alter,they anoited him with oil and we prayed for him...He is 33 years old and cancer free..God healed that baby....I love the spirit of God when the spirit is flowing...I would have loved to been in the upper room.can you imagine how wonderful that would have been?
• United States
6 May 08
"When you start messing with Gods people,you better be very careful..." Is Christianity the mafia now? Don God? Is God going to put a hit out on me if I don't worship him? But in all seriousness, the kind of language you use here is telling of your mindset, and it's not pretty.
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@lucy02 (5017)
• United States
6 May 08
Well I kind of doubt they were really bothering anybody. Its great to see so much enthusiasm in a church. Some people will complain about anything especially if its church related.
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• United States
6 May 08
So true!
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• United States
6 May 08
You are so right! It should be a joyous occasion to hear that much praise coming from a single church. But some people are so miserable that they can't stand for others to be happy.
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@Springlady (4011)
• United States
6 May 08
Hi drknlvly, This is a form of persecution the Bible speaks of. Some people do not like hearing about Jesus Christ and will do anything to try and stop it. We are to stay strong in the Lord no matter what. We are to never tire of doing what is right in the eyes of God. God will work everything out according to His plan. God bless!
• United States
6 May 08
It's about giving praise to the Lord and He deserves our praise! It is good for people to hear this! God deserves all of our praise because He is so good. It is not "noise". It is praise...joyful praise to the Lord God Almighty! No, they should keep on praising the Lord and never ceasing! God bless!
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• United States
6 May 08
God is in control and He helps those who love Him. There is nothing for them to fear. God bless.
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• Indonesia
6 May 08
well, i think our relationship with God of Jesus is personal, very personal. He will hear our even our unspoken word. He will now whatever we think. We don't need to speak loud to Him (who know He will be disturbed also ). I think Jesus won't be very happy if our action in praising Him disturbed the peace. we should remember that we live in the community with plural belief. we shouldn't disturb them in praising Jesus. that's just my humble opinion...
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• United States
8 May 08
You are right, in a way, the bible does say that we don't need to make a public spectacle of our faith, but at the same time, it says to make a joyful noise unto the Lord. Not everyone worships quietly, and those that do, some don't do it all the time. Its not to call attention to their faith, its just that they are so filled with the spirit, they feel they must shout. I feel that both ways of worship are perfectly fine. But when its disturbing the neighborhood on a consistent basis, something has to be done to appease the community as well. No matter what the noise is, after a certain time of night I don't want to hear it either. And if it happened all the time, I would be mad too.
• United States
16 May 08
When the bible talked about making a public display, it was speaking of the Saducees and Pharisees who were not really serving God at all, but trying to exalt themselves. They would wear bells and such on the bottom of their clothing so the people would know they were coming. They were putting themselves, not only above God, but also above Gods children. When so called Christians do that, and I have seen it done many times, then they are breaking Gods laws, and He will deal with them. God don't like ugly, no matter where it comes from.
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@Pitgull (1523)
• United States
6 May 08
That sounds like a ridiculous citation. But then and again, people get them all the time. For wanting to hear a song they like, but they live in an apartment. Not blaring, just thin walls can get you in trouble. I don't understand going after a church congregation, that's craziness...
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@Pitgull (1523)
• United States
6 May 08
I also don't live in the community, and it says people have had problems. They say they'll consider their neighbors, but no compromise. Maybe the location of their church is the problem then. I believe people should be able to practice, the way they want to, but if the noise is affecting other peoples lives, when they need quiet, be it for children or their own desire, who's to say they can't have it? It seems it might be a small town, or area that is involved, and in living in places like that, you need to compromise with your neighbors, if you expect to live in a prospering happy community...
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• United States
8 May 08
I was totally for the church when I first posted this discussion; but now, after seeing many of your responses, I am on the fence about the situation. I still feel that you should be able to praise the Lord however you feel, but at the same time, if they have been a constant disturbance in the community, something has to be done. The community has been complaining over a year about this issue, and has even circulated a petition. Isn't there a middle ground that could be reached, where the neighbors aren't disturbed, but the parishioners don't have to curb their excitement?
@Katlady2 (9925)
• United States
6 May 08
Well I really hope that that pastor wins his case. How ridiculous! People cuss loudly, play music from their cars at full blast....do they get citations? Not necessarily! People should have just as much freedom to praise our Lord as loudly as they want without fear of action taken against them. Sheesh! I would love to see those complainers' reactions if they heard my church congregation. I think they would be putting in ear plugs because we are so enthusiastic! LOL! Thanks for sharing this hon.
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• United States
6 May 08
You're welcome Kat, and that is exactly what I was thinking myself. There was one time that I went to a midnight service with my church choir. The spirit moved us so much that we couldn't even finish the service!!! All the shouting and talking in tongues just told us that we had reached the epitome of praise, and that it was time to stop. This was a very small church, and not very fancy, so I know that we were heard all through the neighborhood. Yes no one had the audacity to send the police after us. Then again, it says in the bible that we will all be persecuted for his name sake.
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@Katlady2 (9925)
• United States
6 May 08
That is so true. Our church is a small one too. But once we get going, we just don't stop. Sometimes the pastor will just let the Spirit move through the church and he won't even get to his sermon for that day.
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• United States
6 May 08
How can they give a church a citation? It is a place of worship! You are suppose to be loud in worshipping the Lord. What's next? Are they going to try to close down the churches? Don't these people know they can't make us stop wordhipping God?
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• United States
6 May 08
Well the people in the community think otherwise. They have been complaining about the "noise" from the church for a long time now, says the article. They have even sent out a petition to close the church, or move it. I think its ridiculous. Some churches don't have loud service, and that is okay for them, but if I want to worship, and the spirit moves me, I want to be able to be heard in heaven if I so feel. But that isn't what these people in the neighborhood want.
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• United States
8 May 08
You are right, this is OUTRAGEOUS! I didn't read the link, but doesn't someone have to complain in order for a peace disturbance to be cited? If so, then there are people in that neighborhood that need to get saved! My husband and I were just discussing this evening about how there are Southern churches who raise their hands in worship and are loud in serving the Lord and he asked me why our church wasn't this way, didn't GOD save us all the same? We should be just as free to worship the Lord as those in the South or anywhere else. And don't think for a second that those sinners won't be loud for satan, so, why shouldn't we be even louder than that for our Saviour? I say, "be loud for the Lord and He'll be loud for you!"
• United States
16 May 08
Amen ShadowBrook, you said it perfectly, I just responded to this discussion, and one of my comments is what Gods Word says, "If we don't praise Him, the rocks will cry out". I said I would hate to have to explain to God on judgment day why a stone had to cry out for me. In the Old Testament, they had a blast praising God, they played musical instruments, and danced before God. David loved to dance before the Lord. There is a freedom like no other in open praise. I feel closer to God during the time I am praising Him, lifting my hands and opening my heart, than at any other time. God created man to praise him. He loves it when we by the free will He gave us, choose to give Him praise. Oh I love to tell people about Jesus, and the love of God. His name is Wonderful, praise be to the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.
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@twallace (2675)
• United States
7 May 08
you can't ticket the praising of the lord no matter what state they are in. NOw i know if they that that to court the judge would look real silly if he fined the church. that would be big news if that happen. But the officer was wrong for that. I wonder what was on his mind for him or her to do something like that to a church??
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@Rozie37 (15505)
• Turkmenistan
7 May 08
The Bible says to make a joyful noise, but it also says that God is not the author of confusion. He likes things done decently and in order. He said that wisedom is the principal thing. If you are using God as an excuse to offend others, you are not using wisedom.
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@KrauseHome (33862)
• United States
7 May 08
Gee, I wonder what they would think if they had a United Pentecostal church in that area? We are very far from quiet when we worship god in Prayer and Praise. Personally though things like this probably are going to continue to happen in places because some people just feel that everyone needs to be quiet when in Church, and keep to themselves, and anything else would be making a nuisance of themselves. I don't blame this Church for fighting it, and personally I think somewhere this is going also against the First ammendment as well when you start going against and saying how and when, what, etc. the ways a church should worship.
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@sid556 (31018)
• United States
7 May 08
I think it is the hour that they are being loud that is the problem or at least it would be for me. It is pretty late and if you are trying to put little ones to bed or to get some shut eye yourself, it is pretty inconciderate of them to be that loud at that hour. I could not play my rock music at that hour without a complaint from the police. 9pm is usually shutdown time for noise in most towns. I don't think they should be above the law. My boyfriend was in a rock band that got cited for noise violation and won only on the grounds that her complaints were for before 9pm. they have their rights but so do we. why should they be allowed to be loud and disturb the peace longer than anyone else?
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• United States
6 May 08
Isn't it really sad how people have made it a point to persecute Chrsitians nowadays? I mean, were this a group of rowdy bikers getting too loud in a bar or something, it would never have happened. It is sad to say, but I think "freedom of religion" in most peoples' minds today means "freedom from Christianity".......terrible
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• United States
8 May 08
I think that this is moreso because it was a constant disturbance in the evening that has the community riled up. I know I am switching sides of the fence here, but reading all of these responses has enlightened me some. If this church is constantly holding concerts in the evening, disturbing the community, then I would not like it either if I lived nearby. The parishioners have a right to worship in the way that they choose, but the community has a right to peace and quiet in the evenings as well. I hope they reach some sort of middle ground in all this.
@kbkbooks (7030)
• Canada
7 May 08
This is horrible. If they are inside their church building there should be no reason why they can't make the noise they want. I wonder who would even have the nerve to call the police on them. How stupid can you be. The US is supposed to have freedom of religion, but this sounds like a little bit of strong arm tactic that borders on persecution.
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@cher913 (25895)
• Canada
7 May 08
thats so crazy! but i imangine that if they city has rules, they are strictly enforced, so even if it is a church, they need to abide by these rules. (i do go to church weekly) but also, it could be someone that was complaining about it that doesnt like the church that much!!
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