Florida-Michigan-It's Official-You're Only Half As Important As The Other States

@rodney850 (2145)
United States
May 28, 2008 8:11am CST
The democratic party rules commitee said this morning that they could only legally seat just half of the delegates from Florida and Michigan! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_on_el_pr/primary/scramble I just don't see how you can with good conscience disenfranchise millions of voters just because the state in which they live decides to vote earlier than the DNC wants them to! It's like the spoiled kid who says, "It's my ball and if I don't get to be quarterback I will take it and go home!" I hate to tell you this DNC (I really don't)but this one will come back to bite you in the A$$!
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
28 May 08
A little bit of additional information is needed here I think. The Democrats who are being punished were forced into this position by the Republicans who outvoted them on setting the date for the election. The Republicans knew that the DNC would do and they thought it was funny, couldn't care less. The DNC should not have punished Florida's Democrats for that very reason but apparently they're blind as well as deaf.
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• United States
28 May 08
Thank you Spalladino! Almost no one brings up the fact that the republicans forced the early democrats to vote early. If you didn't know this already, it was the same situation in Michigan. The state voted 19-17 I believe to change the primary date. 19 Republicans voted yes, 17 democrats voted no! The decision was made solely by the republicans, against the will of the democrats. I can't believe that the Democratic party was so foolish to punish these states in the first place, they should have seen the extraordinary circumstances. The fact that Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, although I think it was criminal to take away the Micigan votes, makes it impossible for me to rationalize seating any of the Michigan delegates. I don't know why Obama doesn't just accept the Florida votes though, the delegates he would get from it, would clinch the nomination.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 May 08
The Democrats wanted every vote to count. In 2000 Al Gore should have been president because he had more of the popular vote. In 2008 they want to count the delegates and not the popular vote because it works for them. By not counting Michigan and Florida Senator Obama wins the delegate count. What will they say if the Republicans win the electorial college votes but lose the popular vote? Do they change the rules to elect the person the party want elected or do the people have a voice in the process?
• United States
28 May 08
There is no way that the RNC forced the DNC to do anything. Are you really saying that the democrats are so weak willed that they can't handle their own affairs? If that is so then they need to get the hell out of politics PDQ and go back to whatever it was that they did before. The republicans made them do it...
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
28 May 08
Hmmm... "page not found". Oh well, it's the thought that counts. You know, the democrats have been whining for the last 7 years about how the "will of the people" and "counting every vote" has been ignored and not done through two separate elections that they somehow lost. Oh, that's right.... they wuz robbed! Yet here we are, with the democrats doing the very thing that they have been claiming the republicans did... and they are doing it to their own people! I'm thinking hypocrisy, stupidity, and shooting themselves in the foot. Yep, it will bite them, and I hopes it rips out several large chunks when it does. Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy....
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• United States
28 May 08
No, I have a yahoo account that I can get into. It probably is just a glitch someplace.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 May 08
Destiny, for some reason the address in the window wouldn't work after I put it in here at Mylot. Maybe Yahoo has some way of blocking you from using their addresses.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 May 08
People in Florida and Michigan only half a person, now that sounds totally democratic. Imagin if the Republican party had done this, what people would be saying. How can I meet some ofe these halflings? Are they all legs, are they all upper body, or is there a mix?
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 May 08
Oh Lilwonders of course they get to pay full taxes that is what is so great about being an American, just because we will not count your vote does not mean we will not count your taxes.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 May 08
Lilwonders, you should read a little more about the money issue. See, Clinton and Obama wouldn't campaign in Florida or Michigan, but the DNC did tell them they were allowed to visit those states to ask for money and campaign contributions. They don't value our votes, but they still want our money.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 May 08
Halflings--LMAO!!
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 May 08
Part of the problem is the Primary System is that two states have more say in who gets elected than other states. Iowa and New Hampshire decide who will be allowed to compete for the nomination. If you don't have a good showing in those two states you don't move on. This years was the first time in many years that we had a wide open contest on both sides. Several states moved their primary and were not punished. Florida and Michigan were big states and the Party wanted draw out the process. Wisconsin has its primary in April and we have not had a say in the nomination process for a long time. By the time they get to us the field is down to one or two in each party. By telling states when they can have their primary isn't the Party determining which voters are more important and should have more of a say in the electoral process. Do you schedule the primary to favor one political view over another?
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 May 08
One radio commentator even suggested that we hold primaries and elections with no opinion polling. Make everyone think for them selves for a change.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 May 08
Bobmnu, How true your statements are! What is happening in Florida and Michigan this year just adds more and more credibility to the proposal to hold one primary election nationwide just like the general and winner takes all and is the nominee! Not only would this eliminate some states feeling left out of the process but it would save so much in time and money! But then again, what would we here at Mylot have to write about? I can tell you this much; the DNC will not do anything that will in any way dilute their power and control over the whole process!
• United States
29 May 08
If I lived there I would really feel that I had been disrespected as a citizen of the United States. What good is is to have the right to vote if your vote is not counted because someone changed the rules.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 May 08
That's exactly why I, as a Floridian, am disgusted by this. I'm also baffled by people here in Florida who are still supporting the Democrats. Clinton and Obama both signed on to this. Nobody forced their hands. Obama is still against counting the votes since he lost both states and yet when he came to Tampa, my hometown, people were so excited to see him. Some of them are ignorant enough to even blame republicans for the fact that the DNC is disenfranchising them.
• United States
2 Jun 08
When I heard that was how they dealt with it. I was shocked. I shouldn't be....this is the land where anything goes now. Punish these people because their state can't get it right...how fair is that?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 May 08
It's just f*cking sad. I'm not even a democrat and I'm more offended than most democrats at what's happened in this election. I'm glad I'm a republican and my vote was counted, but I can't help but be vocal about the fact that millions of people in the state I live in were disenfranchised by some ignorant puds at the DNC who have no idea what it's like to be an honest, hard working American. There's no guarantee that they will seat any of the delegates. They are just saying that the MOST they'll do is seat half the delegates. The entire party is a farce and the worst part is how many ignorant democrats in my hometown rushed to see Obama when he came off his cloud to visit Tampa, FL. All that for the man who still opposes counting the Florida delegates just because he didn't win the state. I'm sure if he won he'd be saying the votes should count and it would be Hillary opposing it.
@twallace (2675)
• United States
29 May 08
They have been talking about that all day on CNN situation room and might still be talking about it right now. If you are near your tv check out CNN they have been talking about that. I know when Nov. come it will be something.
@twallace (2675)
• United States
29 May 08
They have been talking about that all day on CNN situation room and might still be talking about it right now. If you are near your tv check out CNN they have been talking about that. I know when Nov. come it will be something.