I Believe God Is Sending A Message To The Republicans and The Religious Right.

United States
August 30, 2008 11:25pm CST
On August 12th, 2008 a video producer for Focus on the Family asked people to pray for rain when Sen. Barack Obama (D-Illinois) makes his speech at the end of the Democratic National Convention in Denver. http://www.focusonthefamily.com/ "Would it be wrong if we asked people to pray for rain?" Stuart Shepard, digital media director for Focus on the Family's "Focus Action," was hoping for sudden, heavy rain at Denver's Invesco Field at Mile High during the speech of a certain presidential nominee on August 28. "Abundant rain," he quipped. "Torrential rain. Urban and small stream flood advisory rain." Well as we know, Barack Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention was seen by more than 38 million people (not including C-Span and PBS)... Nearly 4 million people more than Olympic Opening Ceremonies. AND THE WEATHER WAS PERFECT! Now let's talk about the Republican Convention about to begin next week. About 45,000 participants - including Republican Party delegates as well as visitors and news media professionals - are heading to the twin cities of St. Paul-Minneapolis for next week's nominating convention. During the convention in the central U.S. state of Minnesota, the Republican Party will formally name Senator John McCain as its candidate for president to face Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee in the November election. Although the convention is scheduled to open Monday, party officials say they might delay it if a hurricane strikes New Orleans early next week. In an interview with Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace, John McCain said Hurricane Gustav may alter the plans for the Republican Convention due to start on Monday. Hurricane Gustav was Category 4 hurricane as it passed through Cuba and is expected to be a strong Category 5 hurricane as it prepares to hit the United states, much like Katrina, which devastated portions of the U.S. Gulf Coast. Hurricane Gustav, currently moving toward the Gulf of Mexico, may force Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal to skip next week’s Republican Convention. As Hurricane Gustav strengthens and threatens the still recovering Gulf Coast, the White House is reevaluating the president's plans to attend the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn. Now Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a former chairman of the Republican Party, announced Saturday he will not attend the GOP convention next week because of the threat from Hurricane Gustav. Here is my question to everyone here at myLot. Is God punishing the Republican Party for mixing Politics and Religion? Is God sending a message to the Religious Right that praying for torrential rains and flooding is against God's wills? And why didn't God answer their prayers and now seem to be disrupting the Republican Convention? "Would it be wrong if we asked people to pray for rain?" I think we now know the answer. Lloyd
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
31 Aug 08
I don't know how you could interpret this as being against the Republicans. The ones who suffer will be the people in the states hit by this hurricane. People in Louisiana have already suffered Katrina and I pray that Gustav is not as bad. I really can't imagine you want people to suffer in such a way just so the RNC doesn't go as planned. If the convention is postponed a week it really won't change how the campaign is run.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
Did you reply in this same fashion when Dr. James Dobson and Focus on the Family prayed for torrential rains and floods during Barack Obama's acceptance speech? What about the people of Denver who would have suffered if Focus on the Family's prayers had come true? I don't want anyone to suffer from a hurricane. You've never heard me hope that something bad happens during the Republican Convetion. After the Bush Administration's response to hurricane Katrina, I don't even want them to get a thunderstorm. "Great Job Brownie". Lloyd
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
31 Aug 08
I would have if I'd heard James Dobson.
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Taskr, my bet is that you heard James Dobson but turned a deaf ear. His statement and online video showing him making the statement were all over the media. When it was later pulled offline by Focus on the Family, the press hammered it over and over again to put Focus on the Family in the good books. Knowing your political leaning, I expect that Fox news, which gave this piece of news prominence, would be one of the tv stations you patronize. I will not pray for the hurricane to disrupt the Republican National Convention. I'm not associated with a group that focuses on the family but I know what it feels like when a natural disaster strikes. Moreover, Democracy is a good thing and I don't want the Republicans to be deprived of the opportunity to hold their convention. When all is said and done, they are Americans too and their pain would be felt by all Americans.
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@howard96h (11658)
• New York, New York
31 Aug 08
I am very curious to see what will happen. Karma is a bltch! Jennifer Hudson worked it!
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• United States
31 Aug 08
I hope and pray that this hurricane doesn't do much damage. It's just amazing how things work out. He prayed for torrential rains and flood during Barack Obama's acceptance speech and now the same thing may happen during the Republican Convention. "God don't like ugly". Lloyd
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
31 Aug 08
If you read the Bible carefully, you would realize that since time immemorial, those who hold on rigidly to religion are often not the most compassionate. The conservatives think they hold a monopoly on patriotism and values but they don't often give good examples.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
If you read the Bible carefully, you would realize that since time immemorial, those who hold on rigidly to religion are often not the most compassionate. The conservatives think they hold a monopoly on patriotism and values but they don't often give good examples. The Republicans have used religious issues during the last 2 Presidential elections to frighten people into voting for them. "Don't vote for those crazy democrats. They support a woman's right to choose." "Don't vote for those crazy democrats. They believe that gay people should be treated with respect". Look what it's gotten them! Record home foreclosures. Record budget deficits. 45 million Americans without health insurance. (Including millions of the children they so care about). Record fuel prices. Rising food prices. Loss of American status around the world. (We no longer have the moral standing to even suggest that Russia gets out of Georgia). By bringing the religious component into the political arena, we ended up with maybe the worse President ever. Now do you see why Religion and Politics shouldn't be mixed. Lloyd
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@underdogtoo (9599)
• Philippines
31 Aug 08
This is an interesting discussion. I did not know God was interested in politics. Cheers!!
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• United States
31 Aug 08
Here in the United States, there should be a separation of Church and State, but over the last 8 years the line between the two have become clouded. Organized Religion plays a huge role in the Republican Party. From what I'm hearing is that the Religious Right objected to John McCain's first 2 Vice President candidates because both Tom Ridge and Joe Lieberman supports a woman's right to choose. I agree with you. God does not pick sides when it comes to politics. Maybe he's sending a message to the Republicans and the Religious Right. Lloyd
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Lloyd, I can't believe what I just watched. I am completely appaulled by that. I don't listen to Dobson, I use to have a lot of respect for him. But, this election has made me lose all respect for him. It is completely unacceptable that this was done. I'm sure that if this same thing happened to the Republicans that they would be whining about it. I hope that the hurrican does not do much damage to the area that it is suppose to hit. I hope that the people are safe and have no problems. I think that the Republicans should not have their convention disrupted. This seems like a case of Karma. I couldn't find the video on the link you left but I found it on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxdvio9n2Q
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• United States
31 Aug 08
It's ashame that some folks on the Right have become part of the "silly season" of politics. I don't know what part Dr. Dobson played in regard to this prayer, but it shows how some members of his religious family think. I hope that some miracle occur and the hurricane looses strength. It does seem like there is a case of Karma. Thanks for the You Tube link. Lloyd
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@Opal26 (17690)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Hey Lloyd! That's pretty funny! I didn't know that happened! Be careful what you wish for! I guess that is really true! I didn't hear that story. So they might have to postpone the convention. Ahhh, that's such a shame! Is it wrong for me to have such a strong hatred for McCain? I have always dislike him all his politcal life and now I have to look at his face all the time! Is it wrong for me to pray that I don't have to look at hims for the next 4 years because I sure am praying! It's bad enough my prayers weren't answered the last 8!!!
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• United States
31 Aug 08
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR! They should know better by now. First they complained that Barack Obama should go and visit Iraq and Afghanistan. They wished his trip would have been a failure. Well Barack Obama took their advice a paid a visit to both places. The troops were so happy that he came to see them and the trip was deemed a success, making Barack Obama look even more Presidential. Take a look at his visit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1icHG0x0Am8 Next they asked for torrential rains and floods to wipe out Barack Obama's acceptance speech. Now it looks as if the exact thing will happen to their convetion. These folks can't do anything right. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR! Lloyd
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@chiyosan (30205)
• Philippines
31 Aug 08
i dont really know but the thing is this is not a punishment for me.. it is simple God not listening for their prayers. hehe :0
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• United States
31 Aug 08
I believe it's more than just God not listening to their prayers. How do you explain their prayers being turned against them? God may be telling them to focus on the needs of the hurricane victims and stop praying for torrential rains and floods to disrupt opposing points of views. He's telling them that prayer should never be used to hurt others. That is a wrong use of the power of prayer. Lloyd
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@mtdewgurl74 (18118)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Well they always said God works in mysterious ways and if you wish somehting bad on someone that it comes back on you 10 times worse..well that is always what I have been told anyhow..So it appears that God isn't smiling down on the Republicans right now, since this is all happening. He wants a fair race run..and maybe he thinks what they think if good for the goose will be good for the gander. As the little saying goes. So if they wanted rain for Obama, well I guess paypack is a pain..
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• United States
31 Aug 08
"If you wish somehting bad on someone that it comes back on you 10 times worse". I've heard that saying before. Seems like it may be a true saying. Maybe this will make the Republicans think twice about mixing Religion and Politics. Is this just a coincedence or is God working in mysterious ways? Lloyd
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Old wives tales and superstitions. Besides it seems more likely that God would have rained on Obama's speech if he could. I don't think God likes people who condone after birth abortions. In other words infanticide. Even Hillary Clinton voted against that cruelness but not Barrack Obama. He's tried his best to keep it going. https://www.priestsforlife.org/testimony/jillstanektestimony.htm So if there is a God I think he would have struck Obama with a bolt of lightening.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
1 Sep 08
Don't you love it, Lloyd, when people will take any opportunity to toss in something about late term abortion even when it's not even an issue this election? Annie
• United States
1 Sep 08
I am not sure why you think that Focus on the Family is the Republican Party? They may support the Republican Party but they are not the same thing. If in fact Focus on the Family did such a thing, they should apologize. I don't think anyone should pray for ill will towards anyone. Is Gustav more than just a coincidence? It is all in Gods plan. Is God blaming the Republicans? I think God has bigger things to deal with.
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• United States
1 Sep 08
You have to admit that Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family have a major influence on the Republican Party. Why would they apologize if this is how they really think? They would want nothing more than to censor Barack Obama and put John McCain in the White House. It may just be a coincidence, but it's an ironic twist. Lloys
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• United States
3 Sep 08
From my understanding the confusion arose from a cartoon. It was funny - if this is what we are talking about. Dr Dobson said they apologized because they heard some people were upset by it and the democrats were offended. So they apologized for the offense. Not because they felt guilty.
• United States
3 Sep 08
Believe me. It wasn't a cartoon. Here is the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxdvio9n2Q&feature=related Lloyd
@xParanoiax (6997)
• United States
1 Sep 08
Oh, here I am using these four words again today! It's a definite maybe!
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• United States
1 Sep 08
Not only could it be a definate maybe, but it could be an ironic coincidence. Just be careful of what you ask for. You never know how things will work out. Now let's hope and pray that Hurricane Gustav doesn't hit New Orleans with Catagory 4 or 5 winds. These people have suffered enough. Lloyd
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@Uroborus (910)
• Canada
1 Sep 08
I believe this may have been a case of friendly fire.
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• United States
1 Sep 08
Are you saying that they may have shot their own selves in the foot? You may have a point there. Hopefully things won't turn out as bad as the weather people are predicting. Lloyd
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• United States
1 Sep 08
Interesting question. Maybe God is reminding them that what you put out in this world will come back to you. Of course on the other hand the republican party's sacrifice may be seen in a really good light. Who knows? The only thing I do know is the Bible says that it will rain on the just and the unjust alike. So I doubt that the weather really points to good or bad. Just my humble opinion.
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• United States
1 Sep 08
The Republican Party is trying to be seen in a good light. All of a sudden they care about the average everyday American. Maybe Hurricane Gustav will convince them that there is a role that government can play in the lives of average Americans. They seem to be on the right track this time around. Thanks for your humble opinion. Lloyd
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• United States
1 Sep 08
You know, I heard that comment; and I find it telling today that when Michael Moore made a joke about Hurricane Gustav and the convention, republicans hit the ceiling. I guess it's ok for them to seriously say something like that,but not for someone else to make a joke. I'll be glad to see the end of religion in politics, too. I've been sick it of for years now. But now we have Ms. Palin bringing in her Assembly of God fellows, so we're in for some more of it, along with all the bull and "morals" that go with it. I hope we are rid of it soon. I know I'll be doing my part to accomplish that aim.
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• United States
1 Sep 08
There does seem to be a double standard when it comes to the Repubicans. I'm like you. I believe that there should be a separation between religion and state. However the line has be slowly slipping away over the last 8 years. I don't know much about Mrs. Palin, but I think it would be another mistake for her to interject her religious beliefs into this campaign. Thanks for doing your part. I'm doing mine too. Lloyd
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@abhichin (159)
• India
31 Aug 08
Well, no i do not think that God is not listening to their prayers. It might be that God have something other in mind for them..
• United States
31 Aug 08
Obviously God didn't listen to their prayers. Barack Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention was seen by more than 38 million people (not including C-Span and PBS)... Nearly 4 million people more than Olympic Opening Ceremonies. AND THE WEATHER WAS PERFECT! Lloyd
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• United States
31 Aug 08
be careful what you ask for you may get it at a time and place you never wanted it !
• United States
31 Aug 08
It seems as if the Republicans have a way of shooting themselves in the foot and lookin silly at times. They won't learn from this, because they have clouded the separation of church and state. The Religious Right plays such a huge role in the Republican Party. Lloyd
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@coffeebreak (17820)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Depends on if you take it literally or figuratively. Our water supply has been dwindling for years - why not pray for rain to build it back up? God can do anything..if he chooses to provide us with more rain, he can. Or it could be that God is saying - I'll send this Hurricane and see if the Republicians will be self righteous or caring of others - if they keep the convention as is, and the huricane hits hard, they are rather self righteous. If they cancel the convention to put attention to the dieasterous situation at hand and try to help the people, then they are more caring of others than of themselves. Which in my books says the Republicians care more about the country than show-biz politics. ON the other hand - what if the situation was reversed? What if the Republicians had their convention last week and this same person made that statement, would anyone be asking the same of the Democratic convention to start this week? Or maybe this guy was just using "ask for rain" figuretively...As in "raining cats and dogs" - maybe he was wanting it to "rain" good fortune, good votes, rain the voters to the polls come Nov! Rain can be used as an adverb for anything you want in massive amounts at once. Those that say "Don't rain on my parade" are they really saying - literally, don't let the water drop from the sky while I am walking in my parade? or are they just saying - I am really happy now, don't talk to me about depressing things? Words have all kinds of meanings. THey are being added to the dictionary all the time. What a word "means" today is not what it meant few years ago, and mostly likely won't be what it means a few years down the road. I think politics have gotten so general that there is next to nothing to debate, they don't want to commmit to anything, so the media just picks apart words that are spoken. For instance, going round now is why did McCain pick a women running mate? Of course not one has said, other than him, that he chose her cause she was athe best choice for the job. All I have heard is that he picked a woman because Obama DIDN'T pick Hillary.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
You make some very good points. I don't know how serious this guy was in praying for torrential rains and floods. But he should direct the power of prayer towards doing something positive for those in need. The Republicans are really being tested by this coming hurricane. After Katrina all eyes will be on their response. Hopefully they have learned from their dismal response 3 years ago. As for why John McCain picked a woman, I don't even think he knows. I heard he really wanted Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman for his Vice President, but couldn't choose them because they both support a woman's right to choose. It seems as if the Republican Party is a one issue Party. There's never any compromise. Lloyd
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31 Aug 08
Hi lloydanthony111, To be honest I don't think God has anything to do with all that bad weather, it is caused by humans pullutions and its only humans that are destroying the world with their greed with all those gasses. God don't destroy or kill only men do. Tamara
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• United States
31 Aug 08
I'm beginning to wonder if global warming has an effect on the intensity of these hurricanes. MSNBC is reporting that Hurrican Gustav was the most powerfull hurricane to hit Cuba in over 50 years. Lloyd
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@Pose123 (21667)
• Canada
31 Aug 08
Hi Lloyd, Everyone should know that things don't work that way. If Christians would study the teachings of Christ as contained in the Gospels, they would know that. To my way of thinking people who suggest these things like to call themselves Christians, but have no idea what it really means to be a real Christian. The majority of people in the religious right have already told God what to believe, now they want to tell him what to do. If many of these people get to heaven, the good lord will either have to change his ways or move out! Blessings.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
It's amazing to witness the arrogance of the Religious Right. They would love to see torrential rains and flooding in an attempt censor Barack Obama. In my opinion the should stick to the Gospel and stay out of politics. Things like this makes them look pretty silly. Lloyd
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
31 Aug 08
The rain and flooding from hurricane Gustav would not really reach the convention itself though. They could have glorious weather in Minnesota. But if there is devastation in New Orleans, they don't want to party out of respect for the trauma those people will experience. If you want to see it that way, God did send a torrential downpour, repeatedly in fact, while the Democratic convention was going on. Many people lost their homes due to flooding, except that it happened in major part of Florida. Didn't see the Democrats show the respect that the Republicans are willing to show. I'm independent really. Just putting things in perspective, because your argument is flawed.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
I just find it ironic that this guy wanted everyone to pray for torrential rain and flooding to disrupt Barack Obama's acceptance speech and now Hurricane Gustov is disrupting the Republican Convention. After their disastorous response to Hurrican Katrina, this Republican Administration better show some respect. Afterall we don't want another "Good Job Brownie" moment. Lloyd
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@venshida (4837)
• United States
31 Aug 08
Wow, deep thoughts. I honestly cannot answer this question. I personally have being praying for rain so we can get out of this drought, but I would not pray for rain because I want someone to suffer. I think the preacher praying for rain as disruptive means was dreadfully wrong and unchristian. I pray for the people who are in the path of Gustav.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
Praying for rain to end the drought seems resonable. Praying for torrential rains and floods to stop Barack Obama's acceptance speech does not seem like the Christian thing to do. Hopefully a miracle will happen and Hurricane Gustav will diminish in strength. Lloyd
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• United States
31 Aug 08
Lloyd, Considering that there is nothing honest in politics, I don't think God should be brought into these type of discussions. Even though we all see that "every" political figure wants to "show the world his faith"... We watch these people rip each other apart with slander and corrupt ways while claiming to know God? lol Every time someone mentions Al Gore and global warming you have people going ballistic. Who takes the time to put God and nature together and see that they go hand-in hand? This is the year to vote Democrat and stop this Republican reign that has sent America into a crisis.
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• United States
31 Aug 08
It's the Republicans using Religion to frighten people into voting for them. It looks as if God has had enough and is sending a strong message to leave him out of the equation. "Let there be separation of Church and State". As far as Al Gore is concerned, I'd rather listen to him tell of his concern for the environment than listen to Vice President Cheney tell how to fleece the American people. They may go ballistic every time someone mentions Al Gore. But we all know that Al Gore's legacy will be well respected. What do you think Vice President Cheney's legacy will be like? Lloyd
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