"My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."

Obama and McCain - Picture of Obama and McCain facing in the opposite directions
@4magoo (396)
September 23, 2008 5:23pm CST
I am pretty new to MyLot. (about a month) I have enjoyed the political discussions to know end. While it has been a lot of fun and I have typed and argued with the rest of you, I wonder if it is just so much typing in the wind. It has been said by people smarter than me, that there comes a time when both sides in a contest get so entrenched that you can hit them over the head with facts upon facts upon facts and it doesn't make any difference. As someone else said, "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts." Have we reached that stage on MyLot Politics? Are the McCainites and Obamaites so locked in place that they aren't listening to anyone else? Are we typing in the wind or are there actually people out there reading this stuff and listening to the arguments?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Sep 08
Well we're less than two months away from the elections so most people know enough about the candidates to be sure of who they agree with. The only remaining issue for some is whether they have confidence that their preferred candidate can actually be an effective president. I don't think anyone who agrees with my stance on the issues is automatically capable of being a good president. Bush and Reagan had very similar stances on issues yet Reagan is known as one of the greatest presidents with Bush known as one of the worst. Obviously I've made up my mind as to whom I'm voting for. Most of the arguments against the candidate I support bring up issues from over 20 years ago. The same people who use those arguments refuse to hear my point that he bucked his party many times because most of that happened 8 years ago. McCain would have to really screw something up to make me not vote for him. In that case I would be forced to vote for Bob Barr. FYI, I don't consider owning 7 homes or buying his daughter a Prius to be a screw up.
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@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
This is off topic, but I will have to say that McCain is really about as far left as a Republican goes and as such he has bucked his party on many issues. On the other hand Palin is a lot farther to the right and she is a lot more scary to me than McCain. I really don't know who she is. The fact that McCain won't let her answer questions from the press is very disturbing as she could be the president if something happened to McCain.
@oneidmnster (1385)
• United States
23 Sep 08
I think most people have their minds made up,no matter what the facts are.Face it,we're in trouble with either of these 2 candidates.I think McCain is the lesser of 2 evils.At least he's had some experience.Sarah Palin has had more experience making decisions with the PTA than Obama has as a Senator.
@evanslf (484)
23 Sep 08
Like others, I think most people have their minds made up. In the country, I suspect that only 10% at best are still undecided and will probably make their minds up during the debates. On mylot, the number of undecideds who are taking part in politics discussions must be very low, probably around 1%. So I think you are right, we are probably all whistling in the wind, with the Dems on one side and the Reps on the other.
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• United States
24 Sep 08
I'm sorry to inform you 4magoo,but as a Senator,Obama merely showed up.Saying present at a Senate hearing is not making major decisions.So,yes,Palin has made more important decisions as a member of the PTA than Obama has as a Senator.
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
Oneidmnster it is off topic but I have to question your comment... "Sarah Palin has had more experience making decisions with the PTA than Obama has a Senator." ???? This doesn't really help your arguement.
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
24 Sep 08
I was thinking this very same thing about a week ago 4magoo. I think for the most part everyone here has their minds made up already, but mylotters being the passionate group that they are when they have an opinion, they still feel the need to "type into the wind." I do it on a regular basis, have discussions with people that I know I am wasting my time with, but being the eternal optimist that I am, still hope that maybe something I say will resonate. People are listening, that's wy politics have become such a hot topic. It just depends who they are listening too. And I've noticed some of the discussions that aren't intended to be "pro" any candidate turn into a "why my guy is better" pi$$ing match, this one included. It kind of proves the point that it doesn't take much for most Americans to get their focus taken off of topic.
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
Right on... I feel the same way you do. On the other hand it is sooooooo much fun putting arguements together and I love the challenge of "thinking." Given that, I will probably continue "typing into the wind" even if no one is listening.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
24 Sep 08
I don't know if anyone is "listening" but, I think that some of the "talk" here has pushed me more of voting for who I am. I use to be "center" but after much discussions here I can say now I am left of center lol.
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
Good point... I think that all the "talking" and "typing" we do may not change OUR MINDS, but articulate well thought out questions and answer can help others see the issue and help them make up their minds. The opposite style of writing, which is the hysterically, in your face style can have a tendency to push people away from their candidates. PS... Yea for left of center. :-)
• United States
24 Sep 08
I am with facts you just need great examples............It shouldn't be confusing if it is true
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
good point... clear and articulate ... drop the hype
@JOIEMARVIC (2335)
• Philippines
24 Sep 08
im not really into politics.. all i can say is that people tend to have different points of view,which often ends up(well actually starts) in an argument.. to be positive,let us be open-minded with others opinions.. arguments should be healthy ..just like competition
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
I agree with you but people really do get passionate about politics and religion.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Sep 08
I've heard there are people who weigh the facts until the last minute and then make a decision but I've never persanally met one of them. I think most people know around the time the candidates are chosen who they are voting for and it all becomes just a matter of getting the vote out. Since taking part in these discussions tends to get people fired up, it may play a part in getting folks motivated to go to the polls. So in that respect, it's definitely not just typing in the wind. You could actually be energizing the vote against your guy. LOL
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
Too true... get the opposition too fired up and they will get out and vote. As to weighing the facts down to the last minute, I can't see how they can do that. To me the candidates are so far apart, I can see how anyone can't make up there mind pretty quickly.
@littleowl (7157)
24 Sep 08
Hi 4magoo I'm not into political discussions as I don't really understand half of it and find all confusing at times so instead I bypass those discussions and answer the ones I find interesting--please don't take offence...your friend littleowl
@4magoo (396)
24 Sep 08
Hi Littleowl. thanks for stopping by. Being from the UK, I image that our politics is rather out there in left field anyway. I am currently living in the Kings Lynn Area but I am an American and I LOVE politics.