Blogger Arrested For Insulting Islam.

United States
September 28, 2008 12:43am CST
Blogger Arrested for 2 Years - Insulting Islam (Malaysia) Posted on September 24, 2008 by islamoscope http://islamoscope.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/blogger-arrested-for-2-years-insulting-islam-malaysia/ Malaysia’s most prominent blogger has been ordered to spend two years in detention under internal security laws after being accused of insulting Islam, his wife said Tuesday. Raja Petra was detained under the tough Internal Security Act (ISA) for allegedly “insulting Islam and publishing articles on his website, which has tarnished the country’s leadership to the point of causing confusion among the people,” his wife said. Full Story: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_0rU9tc6f5grv8KTedN-NRxsy-A http://islamoscope.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/blogger-arrested-for-2-years-insulting-islam-malaysia/ Would you be willing to go to prison for a Blog?
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• United States
28 Sep 08
No, I would not be willing to go to prison for a blog. It is hard to decide if this guy is a hero or a fool. I suppose that if his going to prison actually changes anything, he is a hero, if not, a fool. In either case, I respect and admire him for standing up for what he believes. I just could not do this, myself.
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@spriggan (169)
• Australia
28 Sep 08
is it ok to insult and lie about a religion?
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• United States
28 Sep 08
It is not OK to lie and insult a religion. The problem comes in who decides what is a lie or an insult? We know from studying the history of mankind that tryants and despots especially like to criminalize people's opinions. Objectively, when it comes to religion, all we have actually are people's opinions. Arresting people for expressing those opinions impedes progress and people's growth and understanding. When you think someone has lied or insulted your religion, don't arrest them, discuss it with them. This is because the next person arrested could be you when the next leader of your country disagrees with you about your religion. This is why freedom of speech and freedom of religion is so important. It robs tryants and despots of one of their favorite tools.
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@spriggan (169)
• Australia
29 Sep 08
it's well known even in your judicial system. liars can't bring proofs. so if anyone want to talk about islam,it's easy,everything he claims should be fortified by quotes from qur'an or sunnah which are the only sources to learn about islam. if we don't ask proofs any ignorant will be able to say whatever he wants.
@SaviourV (258)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
Saviour-V teleports in... As a fellow Malaysian, I'm compelled to speak up about this. Raja Petra was NOT detained for religious reasons. His detainment was merely politically motivated. As of right now, a certain Anwar Ibrahim is currently trying to wrest power away from our ruling government, and there are many who support his cause, Raja Petra inclusive. Our current ruling party, the Barisan Nasional, or Unified Front, was responsible for a number of nasty foul-ups over the past few years. A more recent mess-up was the fuel price hike from Ringgit Malaysia 1.92 per litre to a whopping Ringgit Malaysia 2.70 per litre, back in August. Of course, even before then, many people, bloggers and activists alike, had voiced out their criticisms of the government, and during our main elections in March, very nearly managed to obtain victory over BN. Things have been heating up lately since then. Back to Raja Petra. I have read a few of his articles on occasion, and if you ask me, they're more thought-provoking than religion-provoking. Because we, the people of Malaysia, have been following orders from our current government for far too long, we've forgotten about how to think for ourselves. Raja Petra, like many others here, only sought to restore our self-esteem, and our honour. But apparently, as in many other places, stick out too much, and you'll get stepped on. And the Internal Security Act, once used against Anwar Ibrahim to detain him for almost 10 years, has been used unfairly once more. Of course, there have been many cases of this act being used unlawfully in the past. Therefore, WhatsHerName, not to be disrespectful, but I think you should re-analyze things more carefully before you speak about them. On a more recent case, a prominent politician by the name of Teresa Kok (also, previously detained under the ISA a few weeks ago) was threatened with a unlit petrol bomb, tossed into her parents' home, a few days ago. While the message on the bomb accused her of being anti-Islamic and a rabble-rouser, she's nothing like that. In fact, it was due to her efforts that we prevented a nasty confrontation with China...but that is a story for another time. Saviour-V salutes WhatsHerName, and teleports out as usual...
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@spriggan (169)
• Australia
28 Sep 08
thank you for being honest. truth will always crush lies.
@SaviourV (258)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
Saviour-V teleports back in for a moment... And thanks for the comment. Another thing. Originally, Anwar had planned to take over things on September 16th, but because he didn't manage to do so in time, some people are starting to doubt him. Me, well...I figure that some people are currently preventing him from taking office, and believe me, there are many. Our former leader, Dr. Mahathir, once mentioned that Anwar would not stand a chance at all. But there is a far more convoluted history than what we see here. Even I cannot be sure as to how this will turn out. A side of me does wish that I could take over Malaysia and establish a few good ground rules, notably with regards to our environmental concerns, but I don't know if I'll ever get that chance...^_^;; Saviour-V grins, and teleports out again...
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@SaviourV (258)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
Saviour-V teleports in again... sndcain36, if you want facts, I suggest you get a Malay friend to help you translate certain sections of Anwar Ibrahim's blog. And, assuming you can find the correct URLs, find the Malaysia-Today and Malaysiakini websites, and read them a few times. I may not recall most of the facts from memory, but I do recall some of them, and that's what I have included in my response to this discussion. It's not a religious issue at all down here, but chances are, you'd have to be living down here to understand the situation on the ground. Take your time, sndcain36....there's bound to be a long read ahead. Make sure you've got plenty of coffee, because there's a lot to pick up on. Saviour-V teleports out again...
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@spriggan (169)
• Australia
28 Sep 08
have you heard about gitmo? people are arrested not for insulting anything they are arrested for "being" muslims. what about iraq? people are "killed" for being "muslims" their whole country destroyed for oil. and by who? the president of the freedome of speech and democracy country. what you do is try to blind people and corrupt their views. that won't happen
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• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
spriggan this is what happened and he defended the non muslim see it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWcEuDPXAfs
• United States
28 Sep 08
Neither of you bothered to even read the article or the entire topic. They are rested for being suspected of being terrorist Muslims. If we are only after oil, why are our gas prices double what they were before the war? If we didn't have freedom of speech and democracy you my friend would not be able to post your hate all over the internet and you could be killed for speaking against our country. Don't you get it? Could you for once comment on the topic?
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• Bangladesh
28 Sep 08
@whatshername you should get some lessons or schooling on economics. gas prices getting doubled does not mean US is not after the oil. What a ridicule, Shell just signed a $4bn dollar agreement with Iraq :S
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@Tushavi (2078)
• Karachi, Pakistan
28 Sep 08
Islam is Truth & God System's Please Don't Inter fail & Stop Fun Of God system If you Inter Fail Humanity will Kill You arrest you Islam is the Great & biggest religion Have own rules I have no more time to follow & listen Your Fake Rules So If Any one Make fun of & Insult Islam it's our right we will kill his or her Ok?? here many are non-religious type Christan's Have no sense & not education about & religions & start Discussion
• United States
28 Sep 08
Insult Islam it's our right we will kill his or her Ok
• United States
28 Sep 08
They always make you feel so loved and that there is hope for peace in the world, don't they?
@Tushavi (2078)
• Karachi, Pakistan
28 Sep 08
The dark history is the christian's I ever read all & know all about you i don't wanna hate rib here but i think in mylot many are hate rib lover Some post "Beard guys is not humain" some post "There is no god (& some stupid comments on God)" Some posting & make fun of islam Tease islam again & again like this topic why you share here??? what is your means???? for sharing this discussion simple means you wanna tease Muslims. make fun of Islam & Muslims??? It's Christianity's??? make fun of All Religion??? I ONLY TELL OUR RULES IF YOU BROKE WE WILL KILL. LIKE YOUR HMMM OH LOLZ IN YOU THERE IS NO RULES AHAHAHAH ALL ARE FREE TO KILLIG & RAPING EACH OTHER M I RIGHT??? IT"S YOUR RELIGION NOT Christanity YOUR RELIGION IS FREE FREE FREE SOON SOMEONE SELLING YOU FOR FREE GOD GIVE YOU HELL FOR FREE.ONLY HAVE TIME 30 TO 90 YEARS NOW START FREE FREE & EARN A HELL FOREVER. IF ADMIN DON'T WANNA HATE RIB HERE PLEASE DEL THIS STUPID DISCUSSION.
• United States
28 Sep 08
You should not have to go to jail for saying what you think, but sadly some countries do not believe in freedom of speech. Personally, if I lived in a country where I could not say what I want to say, I would say it anyway and I would not care what happens because that is how I feel. If we were not able to say how we feel or what we want, how would our society, and humans in general, develop? We need our ideas and we need our freedom to speak.
• United States
28 Sep 08
And we need to wake up and speak out because Islam openly claims it plans to take over the world. It's radicalism is already in our country. All over the U.S. there are court cases where they are demanding more and more rights. They are slowly trying to use our freedoms to take our freedom away. Be aware, learn and keep exercising your right of free speech.
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• United States
28 Sep 08
Exactly, but let me also say that I go to a university were there are people who are Muslims all over the place, and I always see the women walking behind men and covered up. Why are these women still subjecting themselves to this kind of humiliation when they live in the United States of America. If any man ever told me to do that, I would rip him a new one. Ladies, no man has any right to do that to you, and if you let them do this to you, then shame on you. You have rights and freedoms and you do not have to let men subject you to this. These radical Muslims oppress women and there is nothing right about that.
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
29 Sep 08
what you call humiliation they call it "respect" and they like it....are you getting jealous or what?
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• United States
28 Sep 08
thank heaven i live in a country where at least for the present i have the gift of freedom of speech or I would be under the jail LOL
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
29 Sep 08
freedom of speech or freedom to insult what you don't know?
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• United States
29 Sep 08
its not an insult when it is the truth!and the truth can set you free if youd get the chip of your shoulder and give it a chance
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
30 Sep 08
so where are the proofs i challenge you to post any...
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
hi whatshername... raja petra, commented on the current political turmoil in malaysia... which indirectly involves "native people" and their rights.. he only questioned "being a Muslim, and reading quran how can you do injustece to the non muslims " this people read the sentence as an attack towards islam n their rights being questioned... he has been a muslim voice for the non-muslims btw, guess your star is getting lower, mine too cheers
• United States
28 Sep 08
Thanks for the concern but my star means nothing to me. Peoples lives are at steak here. I also understood that he didn't even write anything antiIslam but copied an article he found. I also get the idea that they have probably been watching him and planning to arrest him if he left the bathroom door opened when he went to the bathroom (sarcasm). I thank my Lord for people like him...
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
... very difficult for me to comment further...on this "freedom of speech" is definatly a dream.... everything, concerning muslim n islam...is a taboo topic.... thanks for sharing this with the world.. cheers
• United States
28 Sep 08
I understand and I'll always pray thatall people can some day have the right to exercise free speech. [b] Knowledge is power![/b]
@corngrass (727)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
And that's where you called it Malaysia. We can't talk about Islam but they are allowed to speak on other races? They denied the truth and they say some of the races here are immigrant while they are the one who is not pure Malaysian. If the other races are not Malaysian, they are also not. Only the pure native people are pure Malaysian. They didn't say a word.
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
28 Sep 08
i'm sure you can "talk" but can't "insult" you know the difference? talking is saying the truth and giving proofs. lying is expressing hate through lies. he's lucky to be "just" arrested, go to http://www.islam-qa.com to learn about islam. whatshername where did muslims emigrate then force their religion on everyone else? just one example,one country name is enough. and where in qur'an does it say "kill jews" "call them pigs and dogs"? by the way darwin said all humanity is apes,and nobody seems to talk...is it only bad when it's from islam? you shouldn't insult people in general,you say muslims are terrorists yet you fail to proof a single argument.when talking ,bring proofs.
• Malaysia
28 Sep 08
sprigan see this : http://hindutva.org/holocaust1.html
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
29 Sep 08
want me to post links that contradict your post?
@devilsangel (1821)
• United States
30 Sep 08
Well then I guess I would have been in jail a long time ago if we had such a retarded law in this country. I'm sorry but if I feel something about a group, person, religion or whatever I'm going to say it, positive or negitive. I'm not about to blow sunshine bubbles up someone's butt just so they can feel better about crap. Frankly I'm not a fan of Islam and rank them up there with the kool-aid cults and the give me all your money zealots. I think a lot of them are seriously wacked out in the head and need to be isolated from normal people for the saftey of themselves and others. What pisses me off is they are trying to push teaching that crap in schools here in the states yet kids can't have a bible club anymore. WTF. It's ok to teach them Islam but they can't learn about Judisim,Christianity,Buddism, or Paganism in school. Um I don't think so. If you're gonna teach one teach em all or leave them the hell out of public schools.
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
1 Oct 08
really? do muslims enfore everyone to learn islamic teachers in schools and forbid the other religions in usa???? last time i checked it's not them who got the power but a cowboy called bush,who when the whole world said no to the war on iraq,he said yes,and because of democracy,the war accured,democracy as in one cowboy's voice is better than the whole world's....
• United States
1 Oct 08
WTF are you talking about? NOTHING you said made any sense. I assume English isn't your native language but at least practice decent sentence and thought structure. Either that or you really need to get a better translation program.
@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
30 Sep 08
and we have to think that Malaysia is one of the more "liberal" islam state...freedom and sharia do not pass toghether at all..
@spriggan (169)
• Australia
1 Oct 08
savage and sharia can't pass together...
@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
1 Oct 08
a maroccan that talk about savage is "a little bit" ridicolous...se that in your country analphabet are almost 50% of the population...
@ronaldinu (12454)
• Malta
28 Sep 08
This is a clear illustration of lack of religious freedom in certain countries. People should be free to criticise whatever religion they would like to. There should be a clear distinction between religious law and governement laws.
• United States
29 Sep 08
Yes there should be. That's exactly why free countries have separation of church and state in their constitutions.
• New Zealand
23 Nov 08
Many of them call themselves Islamic Republics. They then use the Koran and its appendages to control their people and essentially marginalise every other religion or even sect of their own religion. Malaysia is a MUSLIM country and like most Islamic countries, overtly and covertly stamp out other religions. Here is a list of Muslim majority countries. With the exception of a small handful of them. I would advise all mylotters not to even gently rebuke any aspect of Islam if living or visiting any of these 48 countries., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_Muslim_countries Cheers.
@goldeneagle (6776)
• United States
28 Sep 08
If we could get arrested for insulting islam in the U.S., I would have been in jail a long time ago...
• United States
29 Sep 08
No one goes around insulting your believes, ideals or cultures. Ha, ha are you joking? I'm sorry but Islam insults and blasphemes Jesus in the Quran. Islam hates Christians, Jews, Hindu and even people who choose no God. Some Muslims say Jews are pigs and dogs. Muslims constantly insult Western ideals and our culture. Ha,ha,ha...
@flowerchilde (12520)
• United States
18 Nov 08
I can understand why moderate Muslim folks aren't willing to stick their neck out (gulp). And I don't think I'd be willing to stick mine out either! (If I could avoid it.)
@yuna15 (2708)
• Philippines
29 Sep 08
Nobody wants to go to prison for sure for whatever reason whether your guilty or not. If it's illegal in that person's country then he has no choice but go to jail. He needs to be more sensitive and conscious.
@psspurgeon1 (1110)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Please read my response from the end of page one, it won't let me copy and paste and I don't feel like retyping it.
@suspenseful (40326)
• Canada
28 Sep 08
It sounds like this law that you cannot insult Islam is an excuse because he linked the deputy prime minister with the murder of a Mongolian woman. It sounds more like racism raising its ugly head and this insulting Islam is an excuse. I could not see the actual crime unless he said that the deputy prime minister was acting as a heretic or the other members of parliament were not upholding the standards of Islam. But there was no specifications on how he insulted it. I saw no statement where he said things like Mohammed being a pedophile or Muslims are lazy, or they cannot get people to convert to Islam willingly - I am sure that if I were a Muslim and heard that, I would get that person arrested. Would I be willing to go to jail for a blog? Well being a Christian and stood up for my faith, and the government wanted me to keep silent, but I did not, I would.
@arock14 (47)
• United States
28 Sep 08
Too bad the first amendment makes that completely untrue.
• India
28 Sep 08
arresting under internal security act being applied to insulting. really funny country this malaysia. how can insulting islam lead to tarning the country's leadership and causing confusion among the people? are muslims so confused that if someone insults they apply the internal security act to deal with it. ISA is supposed to be applied during terrorist or disruptive acts, not for silly acts like insulting or writing a derogatory article in ones website. shame shame malaysia.