My sister whom I love dearly and her Wiccan, Buddhist, Christian beliefs

United States
October 4, 2008 10:06pm CST
Let me start by saying I don't want to hear any bashing of my sister her beliefs are her beliefs. If you cant respect someones beliefs than you probably don't respect people in general. The other night we were talking on the phone and we discuss religion, philosophy amongst the normal things like kids and etc. She brings up a book she has been reading I don't know the name of it because she didn't tell me. But to get to the point the spin on this book is that God is an alien and that the angels are extra dimensional creatures and that they came to farm our resources and left before some type of cosmic gateway closed and that it is going to open again. The book she said proposed that the Mayan calendar which ends in December 12th 2012, Is when they are going to return. We also got on the subject of different things in the bible like Elias ascension and Jesus ascension along with Enoch. She also pointed out that when God entered the garden and Adam and Eve were hiding he called out to them asking where they were when he should have known. The other theory in this book was that the aliens had manipulated the genes of lesser animals to develop a work force which we now derive from. I have to say I have often wondered this kind of thing myself but I played the roll of the advocate in our conversation. For the Mayan calendar I pointed out that maybe they had just arbitrarily a figure and decided that figure was far enough out in the future they didn't need to go past it. I also pointed out that God could have known where they were but called out to them as we would a small child knowing full well where they are and that they have done something wrong and are hiding. But out of all that she was talking about one thing got me to thinking. What if the Jerusalem coming down from heaven was foretelling of an alien invasion. Kind of X-files I know but lets just say what if for the sake of argument. That would mean that that they were coming to exterminate the majority of the human race and leave only those who were compliant. Makes you wonder if they were that powerful would it be better to give in and go along or fight back? The other thing I was wondering is has anyone read this book or know the name?
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@piniongrl (142)
• United States
5 Oct 08
well it sounds to me that unless we are compliant we are not allowed to go with them. Also if the mayans are so smart then why did they all but perish to the modern world. I'm not trying to be rude but I wonder what the basis of this book is other then wild speculation that could be right but probably isn't. I am a Christian but I believe that people can follow whatever they want and there is no need to put them down or insult them because I have always been in charge of what I believe and am not threatened by other theories. I actually find them sort of interesting and spent most of my life researching alternative religious belief/theories. I'll be checking back to find out the name of the book cause I'd like to pick it up it sounds cool.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
She has had a lot going on lately and I didn't want to bug her so I haven't called her. Thats why I was wondering if anyone else has heard of this book. Thank you for the reply.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
Well I finally got a chance to call her a few minutes ago the name of the book is The mystery of 2012.
@sedel1027 (17868)
• United States
5 Oct 08
I haven't read the book, but it sounds like an interesting read. Personally, I find it so hard to believe that a "God" created everything on this Earth. The entire idea that something or a meteorite crashing and everything "growing" seems so much plausible to me. Will there be a final judgment? I think so, but it won't be anything like in the bible that I am fairly sure of. Humans were put on this Earth to die, that is all. Will some folks be saved, probably, but not for any reason that religion is attached to.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
Thanks for the reply, I have also considered the meteor theory myself in the past. Life as we know it always comes from life what if the planet was seeded.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
I respectfully disagree with your logic on creation. I am a Christian who does not take the Bible literally. I believe much of it is metaphor, parable, etc. To be clear, I do believe many of the "fantastical" parts ARE literal, just not the whole book. My personal view on creation is this: Option A: An unseen force that we are thus far scientifically incapable of understanding is responsible for making everything through careful design. Option B: Pure random chance lead to a vast network of interdependent ecosystems ranging from global to the size of a small section of forest each of which is comprised of numerous animals and plants all having developed unique bodily systems that are fully functional but could fail if even the slightest error were made. My Belief: God set the process in motion and has since been "guiding" it through seemingly natural methods such as evolution and climate change. Frankly, I find it MUCH more plausible that "I don't understand God" than everything here is the product of luck and random mutation, but there's a lot of evidence for things like evolution. I think either extreme of belief is logically impractical. I don't quite understand your last statements. If humans were put here to die, then how/why would any be saved?
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• United States
5 Oct 08
I agree with your idea about the Mayan calendar. But I believe the Bible is just Hebrew mythology. It is strange how people have made a "science" out of it called Theology.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
The whole Mayan calendar things reminds me of the Y2K scare, imagine if it was just a date randomly selected how they would think us with all our modern necessities were fooled by it. Thanks for the reply.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
As far as I know, the Bible never actually SAYS that God is omnipotant (all knowing), and I have begun to suspect over the years that either he is NOT or he chooses not to be, because it is more interesting for him that way. There are just too many instances in the Bible where he seems to be "surprised" or unaware. I suppose the alternative is that he asks people things like "what have you done" just to make a point to them. My brother thinks that Jesus was very sarcastic, referencing things like when the pherocies asked him "Who do these coins belong to, God or Ceaser" and Jesus replies, "Whose face is on the coin?" I have heard people talk about that date for the end of the world, I had not heard WHY until you mentioned the Mayans. Ancient cultures seem eerily intellectual, and that's kind of creepy. Perhaps that is the farthest they could predict based on their comprehension of astrology's long term cycles. On the "Alien Apocalypse," I think this presents a lot of questions. SHOULD we even fight back? If they were going to take the "loyal" somewhere really great, would they want to fight? Would they have been smart enough to come back before we could develope weapons that would pose a threat to them? Would it be worth fighting on principle even if we knew that we would all die fighting? I think I would want to fight. I would feel lied to and betrayed and would not want to be rewarded for having been loyally faithful to a deception. Plus, if they aren't really "god" than there's no real reason for me to subjegate myself to them. That's just intergalactic slavery, and F- that!
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@Ravenladyj (22992)
• United States
5 Oct 08
Just out of curiousity, did your sister say WHY this theory or whatever in her eyes had a connection to her Wicca, Buddhism and Christian beliefs?? Reason I ask is because I'm Pagan (NOT Wiccan though) and Buddhist and on I've never come across anything remotely like that...Just curious... Anyway, that said, I suppose anythig is possible right...but since we'll never know either way regardless of whatever religious theory anyone is talking about its pretty much irrelivent to me in all honesty.... As for the book..sorry can't help ya there but if you find out the title please share because I'm curious myself now LOL
• United States
5 Oct 08
My sister runs her own crystal/new age book store. After I read your reply I got on the phone and called her, the name of the book is "the mystery of 2012" it says its written by spiritualist and scientific community or at least its like a collection of ideas about 2012 from what I gather. As I pointed out to her theres nothing we could do about it even if some of the theories are right so why worry about it.
• United States
9 Oct 08
I ran across this video form history channel from youtube it might be worth watching, it kind of parallels what I was told the book was about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAtgPaggeTM&feature=related
@flowerchilde (12520)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Hi Evan, I haven't read the book but I've heard the theory before.. I think you have the right idea about respecting beliefs and being respectful.. Sometimes I think we get 'offended' because our studies are incomplete and other ideas are seen as a challenge to what we believe.. I do sort of think of those fallen angels as "extraterrestrials"! and also as inter dimentional beings! Did you know Aleister Crowley (high 'priest' of the occult) along with L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of scientology are said to have done rituals to aid the inter dimentional beings to come through said portals? Now to me, I can see quite enough evidence of these entities quite numerous and industrious already upon planet earth! Some think the idea of the New Jerusalem being aliens may play a part in the last great battle, but I lean more toward strictly earthly type happenings and war going on, though it does say that when Jesus returns, every eye will see him.. and who knows perhaps man will point his missiles at him.. If, for imagination's sake, it were extra terrestrials, would it be better to be submissive? It may work better than trying to make war with them.. I always thought bottom line about this theory which your sister has read about, is if they were aliens, it still doesn't answer anything.. like where did life and the universe come from.. The reason other religions and philosophies will likely be able to join and band together as a sort of global religion/belief and philosophy is because they are compatable.. all except the christianity of the bible.. It is sort of a mixture of spiritual and also psuedo science.. when man built the tower of babble they were trying to "reach the stars".. were looking to the stars, which they thought the moving stars (the sun, moon and planets) were "the gods".. we have just changed this.. into a so called scientific atheism, which once again 'looks to the stars' - i.e. if there is no divine creator, perhaps we came from the stars.. perhaps help will come from the stars.. just a new form of the old 'gods' - It's really quite amazing. The whole thing consists of a re telling of the account of Eden.. where the serpent is a savior bringing enlightenment.. a serpent like extra terrestrial.. you know the guy with the big head and slanty eyes.. now an image of wisdom.. And preceding that alien race of enlightened ones, was the great race of the dragons, the godlike ones.. but you know the bad guy, YHWH/Jehovah made war with the harmonious 'gods' and entrapped mankind in his oppression and lack of freedom.. (As the story goes, that is.) - Along with the false teaching/philosophy of the psuedo science evolution, comes prophecy! and aliens returning from the sky may just be that prophecy! Evolution is the false prophet/teacher/teaching of the book of rev/apoc. "He" began as a man, but now is more of course. This teaching changed our world. He is the false prophet which "goes before" or prepares the way for the world beast/body (of rev 13:1-10, as opposed to 11-18, but I guess he prepared the way for both, as the second steps into the first). - O.k, I'm done babbling now
• United States
8 Oct 08
Thanks for the reply you always have such in depth replies. I didn't know about Aleister Crowley or L.Ron Hubbard ever being involved in anything like that did you read it in a book or was it a website, if tis a website will you please provide a link, I think it would be interesting to read some of this.
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@rusty2rusty (6742)
• Defiance, Ohio
9 Oct 08
First I want toconfess, I am a Christian and a very strong believer in my Jesus and God. I believe the Bible is telling us of our past and future. I do not believ in knocking someone for their religion. I do like to learn and discuss other religions other than my own. I do believe some how all regilion is mixed in together. As someone didn't like something in the religion. So they broke off from their church and created a new one more tot heir liking. I also want to stae that I do believe their is more lief out there besides the life on earth. WE acll them aliens....I don't believe God or Jesus is an alien.
• United States
9 Oct 08
Thank you for your reply. I dont believe God is an alien either.
@Pose123 (21671)
• Canada
6 Oct 08
Hi Evan, I don't think that I've read the book you speak of but a few years ago I did read a book that that talked about aliens in the Bible. Sorry I can't remember the name but at the time I thought it interesting that someone would come up with such a theory. I have respect for the beliefs of others and ask only the same from them. Blessings.
• United States
6 Oct 08
Thank you for the reply, who knows the book I am talking about might have some of the one you read in it as it says its more of a gathering of different ideas.
• Lubbock, Texas
5 Oct 08
I have not read that particular book, but I've read many that have really made me think. I usually don't get into speculation about the Bible or any other religious book, but some of the comments here are intriguing. I don't believe God is an alien, I believe God created the universe and everything in it, but I don't believe the only intelligent life he created necessarily has to be here on earth, so it's possible that other beings from other planets may be "guardians" to planet earth, hence the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of smoke by night theory. Also the ascension of Elijah, Elisha, and Jesus. I do believe there are Angels present around us at all times and that we can't see them because they exist in another dimension, but have the ability to interact with us in this dimension. Crazy? No crazier than other theories. As for the Mayan calendar, I have a theory about that too. The people who created the calendar were probably the spiritual leaders of the tribe. These leaders never revealed their secrets or trained someone to take their place until the spirit led them to do so, and the spirit chose their predecessor. It is possible that during a war with another tribe that the spiritual leader was killed before he had chosen and trained anyone. Yes the spirit would have known that was coming, but maybe this was how it was intended to play out. OK enough speculation. I told you I don't usually do this. The uncustomary thinking is giving me a headach.
• United States
5 Oct 08
Thank you for the reply. I am Christian and no I don't believe God is an alien either. I believe he is a spirit and other than that I don't have any idea if he has a manly form that we could see. I believe the visions of him on his thrown are a spiritual interpretation and that he probably doesn't have a humanoid body, but I could be wrong and he could possibly take on one. I kind of started this topic more on the wild speculations of 2012 more than what God is. In my opinion we will probably never know or fully understand God until the day of resurrection. The name of the book was the mystery of 2012 btw.
@katkat (2379)
• Philippines
10 Oct 08
I am a Christian and believe in all Christian beliefs. If you read the bible you will clearly understand about God and answer the things that confuse you. The book sounds interesting though I wonder what the basis of this book is. We all have different beliefs and that I respect. We can choose what we want to believe in. Like you r sister’s belief in Buddhist, Christian and Wiccan.