Made A Big Oops, Don't know what else to do, Starting A new Discussion
By drknlvly6781
@drknlvly6781 (6246)
United States
January 27, 2009 1:24pm CST
About a week ago, I started a discussion about the legislature about abortions passed by Obama. Me, being foolhardy and rushing into things, didn't read the story fully. I posted that Obama had actually stopped federal funding, when in fact he had started it back up.
To make matters worse, this being such an emotionally-charged topic, the discussion got away from me and many people responded. Meanwhile, after finding my folly in the first response, I hid in embarrassment for a while.
I thought to do many things. I started to just get the discussion deleted by sending a message to admin, but I didn't want the people that put their hard work into responding to me to loose their earnings from it.
Then I started to respond to each and every person, like I would normally do. This proved difficult as well, because some were explaining how I got it wrong, while others were deluded by my erroneous discussion topic. So I decided to make a totally new discussion instead.
What is my opinion on the topic? Well, I hate that all people's tax dollars are going to pay for these abortions, especially those that don't believe in it in the first place. However, I can see why Obama did it. It all comes down to which costs more, taxes paying for an abortion, or taxes paying for welfare throughout the child's life. I'd like to think that this was a hard decision, but was deemed necessary in order to cut spending.
Plus, this funding for Planned Parenthood and other similar programs isn't just for abortions, its also for education and birth control, which would also curb the growth of the population.
Yes, in an ideal world this wouldn't come into mind as being necessary. But not every child listens to the abstinence speech. And not every parent makes it. This hoping for the best has a lot of young mothers on welfare, so there was a need to curb that spending somehow. Although, this would not have been my choice.
What is your opinion MyLot. If you stated it before in my other discussion, do it here. If you didn't see it before, your post is welcome as well. Sorry for any confusion I have caused with my bad discussion.
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14 responses
@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
27 Jan 09
Thanks, it has never been a problem for me to eat crow when I am wrong. Just in this situation I had to figure out how to prepare it lol. But I figured, since there were so many responses in the old discussion, this would be the best way. I've apologized, stated my opinion on the subject, and now I am just waiting on responses. The best thing about it is, people get to earn twice on basically the same discussion lol!
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@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
27 Jan 09
I think you handled your error well. It can be a hard thing for some to admit being in the wrong for alot of folks. Very good of you to think of those who responded before.
As for the abortion topic, it is an issue that will and can go on for a lifetime. Each administration handles it differently. It is a topic like most in politics where I don't believe any will ever find a common ground to agree on. Most are so passionate when it is brought up it often comes to a battle of beliefs. On this, most cannot even agree to disagree.
There are less vital places to curb spending, to be sure.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
28 Jan 09
You're right. We fought for the right to worship who and what we wanted to, and no matter how much you separate Church and State there will always be some type of faith in the White House.
The error John McCain made in like, 90% of the debates against our President Barack Obama(
lol) is that he always looked at the programs that Obama stated he would be funding, and looked at how much that cost. Then he would rant about Obama says that he would cut spending, but he will increase it. 
He always said that some programs would have to be cut, in order to fund new ones. If he is going to get people back to work, why not cut down on spending in welfare??? Granted, I would have liked another choice; but at the same time I know nothing of running a whole nation and improving the economy, so I'm fresh out of alternate ideas, at least those that would be more effective.
But yes, there will always be a difference of opinion nationwide when it comes to abortion. And I wouldn't like to see cuts in funding for education or national security instead of this, that's for sure.
lol) is that he always looked at the programs that Obama stated he would be funding, and looked at how much that cost. Then he would rant about Obama says that he would cut spending, but he will increase it.
He always said that some programs would have to be cut, in order to fund new ones. If he is going to get people back to work, why not cut down on spending in welfare??? Granted, I would have liked another choice; but at the same time I know nothing of running a whole nation and improving the economy, so I'm fresh out of alternate ideas, at least those that would be more effective.
But yes, there will always be a difference of opinion nationwide when it comes to abortion. And I wouldn't like to see cuts in funding for education or national security instead of this, that's for sure.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jan 09
We all have knee jerk reactions at times. We also fall into the trap of actually believing what the incompetent press says.
I commend you for making your Mia Culpa in a seperate article instead of hiding it somewhere in the other discussion.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Different reaction but same thought Para. When I found out I made oopsie, my first thought was to take it back. Didn't want to do that because too many people would have responded to it before admin would get to it. Then I thought about apologizing, and realized that if everyone does like I do, post from e-mail, many wouldn't see the apology anyway. And I was not apologizing every single respondent lol.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Much as I dislike the thought of abortion sometimes it's necessary & the wisest choice. Supporting programs designed to cut down on unplanned pregnancy & preventing extra unwanted children from being born isn't a bad thing. Frankly the world is overcrowded with us as is. I can't fault Obama for his decision on this.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
28 Jan 09
After I figured out what the heck was going on with this legislature 
, I had to make my peace with it. I was ready for Obama to be President since I heard he was running lol. I knew from the beginning that he meant change, and he is just beginning to show us. The thing that republicans refused to realize is if they would quit spending money on keeping the wealthy wealthy, they would actually have the money to repair the sad state of the nation.
, I had to make my peace with it. I was ready for Obama to be President since I heard he was running lol. I knew from the beginning that he meant change, and he is just beginning to show us. The thing that republicans refused to realize is if they would quit spending money on keeping the wealthy wealthy, they would actually have the money to repair the sad state of the nation.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Jan 09
I heard that Planned Parenthood does not tell the girls that adoption is available and they pressure abortion. I do not think it is right for the government to pay for abortions or to support Planned Parenthood that promotes that. The ones who are against abortion are paying for abortions and that is not right. I think the pouring money or giving money away is not good. The tax payer has to pay for it, it does not magically appear like from the good fairy.
There really should be a section on the income tax so the tax payer can check "my money should not support abortion," "I want it to go to education," etc.
You have to look at Obama's motive to do so. He is for abortion, the freedom of choice, and getting rid of the pro life movement and making homosexuality a privileged class. And I do not believe that abortion is a better choice then welfare. Give a handout and they expect it, but get them the education, and tell them unless they are taking care of the children, they had better go to work is a good idea. What about the fathers of these welfare babies? why are they not working and supporting the mothers who have a double load to bear. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
4 Mar 09
It is just that I have not put the notify me when someone comments on my post until later. I do not like abortion and I also realize that Obama said that he was going to repeal the law without telling us that the reason he was was not to stop abortions, but to stop the pro-life movement from taking over, one state at a time. Do you realize that all his staff is pro-abortion? That should tell what you are up against. As for welfare, and unwed mothers, why is not anything done to get the fathers of these children to marry the mother or at least support them, or do they think they are back in Africa where in some places where the more the children have by different mothers, the higher his status?
It is just breeding a culture of laziness and dependence. And you all are paying for it because it seems down there, a single woman raising a child alone is at the same time courageous and a victim.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I'm kinda deflated here. I made not one, but two discussions in order to debate with you, and get everything out on the table. You came with a good argument, I posted a great rebuttal, then nothing more from you *sigh* As much as I see you debate on MyLot, I would think that you would love the chance for an open debate without fear of being lashed at by trolls. I thought you stood by your principles a little stronger than this. Oh well. I'll give you one more week, then I will choose a BR.
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@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Drknlvly, you're an a smart cookie in my book. I've always enjoyed your discussions. Yes, this is a hot button with a lot of people. Personally, I have to agree with the plan because looking at the bigger picture and funds, lets face it, it would be less tax dollars spend. We are going into an economic mess and the next 4 years are going to be hard. Some of the plans out there should have been done long time ago, but that's not what this is about.
However, when you overview the entire change of everything, this makes sense for Obama do this. It's still tax dollars yes, but at a lesser cost out of working class pocket. Aside from welfare issues, you also have to consider how this will effect health care (doctors and hospital) costs. They maintain a price for serviced to make up for the non insured of the unabe to pay people. This effects more than just one thing. I think Obama see a bigger picture here. I'm still shaken by a lot of the changes he's making, but this particular issue makes sense to me.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Exactly games. People that are against this bill being repealed are simply not looking at the big picture. Yes, our tax dollars are going towards something that many of us don't agree with. However, its a smaller cost than the ongoing care that would be necessary for the caring of child to a mother that can't afford it. Now instead of the tax dollars going to an abortion and education and contraceptives to keep this from happening, even more tax dollars are going to support this child and the mother. Money for them to live on and eat, and money to pay for both their medical bills. Common sense tells you the cost of funding Planned Parenthood will be far less than not doing anything about this epidemic; however some can't see past the abortions they don't believe in.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Ah yes! I find it is the best thing to do to lay low for a bit when I make an oops on mylot!
As to taxpayer dollars being used to pay for abortions, I might not mind it so much if there would be a huge effort to promote pre-conception birth control, and the number of abortions were to therefore go down drastically. I'm afraid it has gotten to be too much of a practice to have an abortion or abortions. However, it's not the legality that concerns me so much (Roe vs. Wade) but to greatly decrease abortion til it is no longer so heavily practiced. As personally I view it as the taking of a life and the later the term abortion, the more barbarous and brutal a practice it is. I love babies! Simply adore them, they are more beautiful than any sunset.. or starry sky, etc.. They are jewels beyond measure, and I don't think anyone actually likes abortion (except those making a lucrative living thereby, I suppose). I think, however that pro life and right to life groups would be better served to promote (heavily) the use of pre-conception contraception, after all the concern is for the pre-born babes.. not other's moral choices.
Peace!
As to taxpayer dollars being used to pay for abortions, I might not mind it so much if there would be a huge effort to promote pre-conception birth control, and the number of abortions were to therefore go down drastically. I'm afraid it has gotten to be too much of a practice to have an abortion or abortions. However, it's not the legality that concerns me so much (Roe vs. Wade) but to greatly decrease abortion til it is no longer so heavily practiced. As personally I view it as the taking of a life and the later the term abortion, the more barbarous and brutal a practice it is. I love babies! Simply adore them, they are more beautiful than any sunset.. or starry sky, etc.. They are jewels beyond measure, and I don't think anyone actually likes abortion (except those making a lucrative living thereby, I suppose). I think, however that pro life and right to life groups would be better served to promote (heavily) the use of pre-conception contraception, after all the concern is for the pre-born babes.. not other's moral choices.
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@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
27 Jan 09
i wasnt able to response at the first discussion you started but read some of the responses you got there. that was the one you were directing at suspenceful if i am not mistaken. but i am happy and proud of you that you admited that you got the topic all wrong. admiting it is a good move. i think and now realizing also is a good move. i in my part can not blame you. sometimes we do make mistakes and can only understand it fairly if someone explained it to us. that is what mylot is for. it enlightens us on some of the topics that we need to get enlighten at. i am still taking a back seat and just listening on what President Obama issaying to the world. i am one of those who are really praying for a good change. i am not an american nor not living in ameerica, but i believe that if america has a great leader the whole world will benifit from that.
@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Sweetheart don't feel bad about making a mistake, none of us are perfect, and we have all made mistakes here, I know I have. So the ones who would throw stones, need to back off.
Now back to the abortion issue. My problem is not in who pays for them, but abortion as a whole. I feel every child deserves a chance in life. I President O'Bama wants to spend my money I have no problem with him spending it on birth control, and education, NOT MURDER. He can also spend it on funding for potential Adoptive parents, who have the means to raise a child, but can not afford the outrageous attorney and adoption fees in the United States.
As I stated every child deserves a chance, O'Bamas Mother was a prime example for this, what if she a woman abandoned by her husband, had aborted O'Bama? We probably would not have a Black President sitting in the white house right now, not just anyone could have appealed to people as O'Bama did.
I am of the opinion that Mother Nature takes care of over crowding, the government has enough say so in our lives as it is, I don't want us to end up like China, where we are only allowed one child. If things keep going as they are, that could be a very real possibility, What Mother could choose which of her children to keep and which to abort, not me. Just giving people another way to look at this issue. Blessings Marilyn
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
28 Jan 09
I read and responded to your other discussion. I was giggling.....It was so typical to something I would do...ok..have done. Your aren't even blonde! I love it! Anyway, I'll respond here with pretty much the same thoughts I had on your other one. I do think that the funding to Planned Parenthood is something that makes way too much sense to simply block. I also get why those that are against it, wouldn't want their tax dollars spent on it. Heck, I am pro-choice and I don't want my tax dollars spent on it. That is a financial burden that should lie with the parents of the unborn child. It is a choice. It seems as if they could somehow bar the planned parenthood agencies from covering the costs of abortion...don't you think? If they break the rules, then stop their funding. 1 person likes this
@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
8 Feb 09
That is what me, my mom, and my grandma were talking about when this first came up on the news. There should be some qualifications that have to be met outside of income in order to receive funding for these abortions. There are way too many women nowadays that use abortion as a form of birth control, and if they are under the poverty line, they still should not be able to get assistance in this manner everytime they become pregnant. Its senseless for taxpayers to have to pay for these women to continue to be promiscuous without some sort of prevention.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Hi drknlvly! I did see your other discussion, oh well. How
do I feel about the President's decision, I'm ok with it!
First of all, I am Pro-Choice. I would much rather someone
have an abortion then have a child and hurt them, abuse them
not want them or use them for the sole purpose of getting
Public Assistance! I would much rather see woman use birth
control or abstinance, but this is not necessarily going to
happen so there must be another option. As a tax payer, am I
not happy to pay for it, of course not, but then again I don't
want to for them to have Public Assistance either. So there
has to be some sort of compromise somewhere. I think that
President Obama's decision was a good and fair one.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
28 Jan 09
I've made my peace with the decision I must say lol. I mean, I am pro-choice as well. Kind of an oxymoron, but, its because of my faith that I am such. This is what gets me about the whole "Christian" side of the argument:
Number One, did not God give us free will to make the choices we make in life? How can I profess to make another persons choices for them?
Number Two, even though it's a sin to kill, no sin is bigger than another, which one of us can say we have never sinned?
Number Three; is this not the same God that said "Judge not lest ye be judged"?
Basically, what I'm saying is, I myself will never get an abortion, unless carrying the baby had a high risk of me leaving the two I've got already. (everybody's got their breaking point). Its against my ideals and my faith, so its a no go for me. However, I do not feel its right for me to tell another woman what to do with her body, and I won't be there with them when they go to see Saint Peter either.
But back to the legislation. I don't like it, I would have tried diligently to find another way to achieve the same effect. Yet, I understand it. You picked up on what I was saying a couple of responses ago lol, the way the regulations of welfare are, if you have four children under the age of 13, you are considered a hard ship case and therefore qualified for continuous cash assistance beyond the initial three year stipulation put into place. Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVED the Clinton years *sigh*, but he missed a big loophole when he put this into action. Looking back, it seems almost as you were being rewarded for having more children than what you can take care of.
@deborahkat (519)
• Brazil
28 Jan 09
For me abortion is not the solution but education and birth control for sure will help. What I think is that they should really invest in education and birth control and mainly in poor places where children having children happens more.
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@CRIVAS (1815)
• Canada
28 Jan 09
I happen to agree with you, while I don't particularly like the idea of tax payers paying for someone to have an abortion, I think that you are right. In the long run this would be less expensive that having to pay welfare for that child. I also think that Obama made the right decision although I also know that there are going to be a lot of people that dissagree with us.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
8 Feb 09
Yes, there are many that disagree. I have even seen a few discussions that proclaimed the disagreement. But the reality is this is the best solution to get the nation back on track. In fact, even though the money is going towards something that many people don't believe in, its less money out of the taxpayers pocket to fund these, rather than to fund the welfare system.
