What are your thoughts on the mother who gave birth to Octuplets this week?

@TessWhite (3146)
United States
January 31, 2009 12:17am CST
Current news reports say that the mother, who they haven't named yet, is single. She also has 6 other children and she lives with her parents. She was taking fertility drugs which helped her conceive the 8 babies. Ok, I'm all for someone taking fertility drugs if they have a stable parent relationship and if they have trouble conceiving ANY children. What I don't get is why a woman who already has SIX kids, and is unmarried, chose to take fertility drugs? She now has 14 children under the age of 6 I believe it is. (If memory of the news story is accurate) Who is going to support and raise those children? The grandparents? Or is the state going to be burdened with the task? No offense to anyone who thinks differently - but this whole thing seems rather strange and also irresponsible to me. What do you think?
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19 responses
• United States
1 Feb 09
This what I am reading in the news.. Los Angeles - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said. Angels Suleman tole The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nady Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year. "It can't go on any longer," she said in the phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married." Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month. A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were progressing daily, with all eight breathing unassisted and being tube-fed. While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whitter, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles. Now, I am sorry if I hurt any one feelings but, who is going to support these kids??? I know she can not do it alone! Not unless she wins a couple of million dollars over night. So, are my hard earned tax dollars going to pay for them? Because, I only pay for my two!!! I think if you want to have this many children you should be able to afford them!!! Also, for those women out there that are having kids just to get assistance and housing and all the works, I do not want to pay for your kids either! Get a job support your own or get your tubes tied and burned! My motto is if I have to bust my back side to pay for mine you should have to do the same!!! Stop FREE LOADING!!! ** Peace and Love gets your through everything in Life ** **(But,it does NOT PAY THE BILLS!) **
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I can't blame the gram either. It is a very selfish act. If it were my daughter..I'd bail too. I had 2 children that were surprises while on birth control and one other that I lost...again, getting pregnant on birthcontrol. I raised them alone and I worked full time. I have no regrets other than I could have done better by my children had I not had so many. We did ok and they grew up fine as I put my heart and soul into it. Would I deliberatly even bring that many kids into the world knowingly and think I could raise them decently on my own? NO!! I still feel bad because I think my girls deserved better than what I could give them even tho they got all they needed and are wonderful adults now. This is just wrong!
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Thanks for the additional information. And I couldn't have said it better. I have a sick feeling that the state (taxpayers) are going to get stuck paying their way. What concerns me is who is going to do the physical care for all those babies and children? Grandma says she is going to bail, and I don't blame her.
31 Jan 09
It made me wonder as well when I read the report. I can't imagine a doctor who would offer that treatment to someone already blessed with so many children. I read that she also had the option to reduce the number of embryos at a very early stage, OK, that's a matter for the individual but I really hope she knows what she's let herself in for, her parents won't be around forever to help.
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@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
I saw on a news report that the physician says "I'm not God, who am I to say how many children someone can have." Please, even a physician should know when a patient is being irresponsible. If I were her parents I'd be changing the locks. LOL
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31 Jan 09
Exactly, he's not God but he's playing God. Why not use his talents to help Mothers who Desperately want a child, not to boost some spongers pride, fame and welfare money.
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@wheel416 (1019)
• Canada
31 Jan 09
This makes me so angry! Just because we can does not necessarily mean we should! There is no telling what the end result of this little experiment will be! And I am angry because we experimented on innocent children that had no say in the matter. As you rightly pointed out, she did not need to undergo Invitro fertilization a second time she already had children, many in fact! So sorry, I have to keep responding to this discussion because up until now I have said nothing and that is because I am bursting at the seams! This really hits a nerve with me! I'll just try not to take anybody's head off in the process!
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@mentalward (14691)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Where did you read all this about the mother? I haven't been able to find anything more than that she gave birth to the 8 babies. Nothing I've been able to find said anything more, including the fact that she didn't want her name revealed and had not yet named the babies. I found one site that said the mother was very calm when they noticed the 8th baby and said something like, "Oh, really? Eight babies?" But I haven't been able to find anything more about it. Where did you read this story about her having 6 other kids? I'd love to read it!
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Thanks so much! I've formed my own opinion of this woman. Since she is single and her husband, whom she is separated from, is NOT the father, I'd say the chances are good that she's on public assistance... more babies, more money! I've seen this happen first-hand... women spitting out one baby after another and not caring at all about the babies themselves... they'd let the older ones take care of the younger ones while they went out and had fun. I hope this is not the case, of course, but her unemotional response when finding out she was having eight babies instead of seven told me that she really didn't care. We'll just have to wait and see, huh?
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@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
So far most of what I'm reading is coming from AOL news. But I've also gone into regular news websites and found other information too.
@wheel416 (1019)
• Canada
2 Feb 09
I have a feeling that there is a reason they do not want the details to become public.... pehaps they know people will be outraged ... and they want to avoid the publicity now, even though I am sure she thought it would be "fun" to surpass the woman that gave birth to the septulets a couple of years ago. However, now maybe she is thinking all the media attention may not be a good thing... to little to late, I think. Anyway that's just my opinion.
@wheel416 (1019)
• Canada
31 Jan 09
Hi Tess, I am a firm believer that just because we can do something does not necessarily mean that we should! Up until the last couple of decades it has been up to nature or God or whatever you believe, to decide if and when children are brought into this world. My opinion may surprise you as science saved my life. I was born between 24 and 26 weeks of gestation and have Cerebral Palsy as a result. Now I call my Cerebral Palsy naturally occurring because there is no obvious reason that my mother went into labor early, or for why I had birth complications resulting in long term costly medical disabilities. However, I believe that medical science is saving smaller and smaller babies, and because of this sicker and sicker children are surviving and must now be treated throughout their lives. It is my personal opinion that just because we can do something scientifically, it does not mean that we should do so morally. I believe that children with disabilities can and do become productive adults and contributing members of society. However, when will medical science push the envelope too far? At what point does quality of life matter over quantity or longevity? I think, just as other critics of fertility treatment, genetics testing, and selective abortion, that there needs to be some guidelines prior to a woman being accepted for fertility treatments, as to what the parameters will be, and what one should do in the event that we have eight viable fetuses. In my not so humble opinion, we are human, we are supposed to give birth to sigle babies and occasionally twins, triplets or quadruplets. We are not meant to have litters! I believe we're playing with fire here, and people need to stop and think about what they're doing before we get into a situation that we can not reverse. You mentioned the burden to society in order to care for the children and you are absolutely correct but, I am also worried about the burden we have asked those children to carry, through no fault of their own. We do not know yet, but those children may suffer severe, debilitating and painful lifelong disabilities. I know I am severely disabled myself. I don't think that I as an individual have a right to say what one person should be able to do or should not be able to do, but on the other hand society does need to set rules and expectations for the good of everyone within that society. That's just my 2ยข worth and happy Mylotting!
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Thank you for sharing your views. Very wise post, and very valid points. Like you I was a premie. And like you I've dealt with health issues much of my life. Nothing that had me wheelchair bound like I know you are, but enough that I am now later in life disabled. Whether or not my issues are related to my premature birth and my parent's smoking is still up for debate. But like you I often think we are carrying things too far with modern science.
@wheel416 (1019)
• Canada
31 Jan 09
Thank you very much. This is a topic I feel very passionately about as we're supposed to have universal Health Care for all here in Canada. With that being said. I have been waiting for over four years, for a type of pain pump that would help me with my spasticity and with my Cerebral Palsy and would allow me to get back to work. I have been approved for the surgery, but have yet to get the pump because the hospital is unable to pay for it.... It just makes you wonder.... And I know I don't have the right to judge another but where does it stop? And thanks again for your kind words.
• United States
31 Jan 09
Well, as long as her family can support them... she must really love children. If I were single and living with my parents with six children already I know I wouldn't have even more, never mind eight. I read that she was married though. Her husband (if there is one) must be very surprised. I don't think that one woman can care for eight newborns at the same time, and what about their college fund? Good luck to her though. I hope she's not irresponsible.
• Israel
31 Jan 09
She's not married and never has been. There is no husband or boy friend. Quite frankly who would marry her now and take on millions of dollars of responsibility raising kids that aren't his? It's hard enough to find a man who will marry a woman with 1 or two kids. This kids are going to grow up without a father. That in itself will be a great loss.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Hmmm now it makes me wonder who the father of the first six kids were? I don't know, but this woman sounds more and more like a nutcase to me.
• Israel
31 Jan 09
The first 6 were IVF also. An anonymous sperm donner was used for all of them.
@katora (1)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Not only is it not financially responsible, but it is also being irresponsible in regards to the health of these children. Multiple births always face health issues, and this is certainly no exception. They were born fairly early and very small - and will have to fight for their lives, and may face many health problems throughout their entire lives. To each is own, but it seems rather selfish to have so many children in one go without any regards to the health of each child. People were not meant to have litters. JMO of course, and everyone is entitled to their own. I wish the mother and her babies and previous children all the best, and hope they continue to thrive and avoid any serious complications. Children are a blessing.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
You are right. We aren't intended to have litters like cats or dogs. And children are a blessing. But in this instance unfortunately they will also be a burden. It just seems so wrong, and sad.
• Israel
31 Jan 09
If she wanted that many brats, whoops kids, she could have had 2 or 3 implanted as in normal in IVF and had a few more pregnancies with the remaining embryos. The doctor who implanted 8 should loose his license. It is gross negligence.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
2 Feb 09
How can a woman who has 6 kids, is a single mom, afford this type of treatment? I don't think (in fact I am pretty sure) my insurance would not pay for this treatment. SHe has 6 kids, this would be a big job for a 2 parent family and as a single Mom, with an unhappy Grandma, this is a sure recipe for child abuse. I think it is wonderful that all 8 babies are doing well but I hope this fairy tale story will continue. I do not want to see her on TLC -- 14 is not enough.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Yes, lets hope it turns out better than most of us expect.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
2 Feb 09
I went looking for this story,and one article stated her Husband was Serving in Iraq,and would be going back out there..
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I believe if you re-read the story you will see that the husband going to Iraq is the grandfather (the husband of the grandmother) of all these children. The woman who gave birth to them has never been married the news has said.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
31 Jan 09
The reports are varying b/c I've also read that she is married and her husband is in Iraq. I think as long as she or her family can support them then it's their business. I do think that the reporters need to be locked up for being so d*mn nosy. She distinctly asked after the birth that she not be identified. She wanted time to spend with her new babies and make sure that they were going to be allright. Instead some family friend leaked her name and where her parents lived and now they have reporters camped on their front lawn. The grandfather has asked them to respect their wishes for privacy and has said that after the babies are released they'll all be moving to an undisclosed home. Now the media is digging through everything to find out where the other home is. It just seems like harrassment to me. I mean I know that having 8 babies is rare and news worthy but there is a limit to intruding on someone's life. [b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG AND TRUST IN GOD**[/b]
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
31 Jan 09
I agree that it's newsworthy but I still think there is a such a thing as respecting someones wishes for privacy and a limit to harrassing ppl. [b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG AND TRUST IN GOD**[/b]
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Unfortunately in this day and age when someone who already has 6 young children chooses to intentionally have 8 babies at once - it becomes news. This is something the family should have forseen. I'm not saying its right, but it is to be expected.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I have really mixed feelings on all of it. Although I don't have any issue with whether or not the woman is married. All of the woman's children were conceived with IVF. I question the ethics of the doctor who implanted 8 embryos or even agreeing to do the procedure when she has so many young children already. But at the same time, how many children a person feels called to have is such a personal decision. Who am I to say that any number is too many for you just because it would be too many for me? Even if she's getting help from anyone, she will be doing the majority of the work for all of them. She'll have to live with it if something happens to one of these children due to their being so premature. It's just not my place to judge.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Hmmm well sorry to say it, but I have mixed feelings on your view. No offense intended, but we should be able to judge in this case if the "people" of the state or country are going to end up supporting all of those 14 children. Like you I think if they can support them and care for them, then yes, have as many as you like. Like the Duggars on TLC - they now have 18 children. But the difference there is there are two parents, and they have no outside support or debt in raising their children. But for a woman who is single, apparently not even working, and according to one report not financially sound - well I just think this is wrong.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Even if she were in a stable relationship...it is just crazy! Come on now, I ran a daycare and you are only allowed to care for 6 children at a time and that all depends on the ages if I remember correctly. There was a limit on the number of infants you could have. I don't remember because I just would not take another infant with my own plus other children. I have 4 kids that I raised on my own while working and it is no easy task. There was a time when I was with my ex that there were 6 children in our home....only one being a baby and that was like running a small army! There is no way that this woman can on her own provide the love and care for 8 babies and 6 young children....I don't care how much you love kids...it is not humanly possible! I really stretched myself with 4 and my saving grace was that they were so many years apart that the older ones were a big help. Even then...mighty tough. It is beyond irresponsible and I hope someone is monitoring the situation closely. She certainly can't be working so I guess we all are paying for this insane choice. What really gets me....who was the idiot doctor that prescribed the fertility pills? Now in a reverse situation...if a young woman goes in and states that she does not want kids & wants her tubes tied...goood luck in that! Most doctors will not do it. The pro-lifers must love this one!
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Thanks for your input. Sounds like you had your hands full, but did ok with the number you had.
@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
11 Feb 09
Hi Tess, My computer has been messed up for quite some time now, but the last couple of weeks it's gotten worse. I just saw your avatar and it made me realize I missed you and decided to answer your post. I have to say I totally agree with you. I am not ever happy with people who are so irresponsible when it comes to having children. What are we suppose to think when a single mother with 6little children with no father decides to have 8 more? And who the heck is this irresponsible doctor who went along with the procedure? I think he should have to financially support all these kids for his part in making this happen. I can't help but wonder what he gets out of this!!! Hugsssss leenie
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
11 Feb 09
I saw tonight there was to be an interview with the mom of all these babies. I chose to not watch it. That is exactly what she wants - attention, interviews and to get paid for it. I won't play into the game. It is a sad case I think. And I don't think it will be a happy ending in the long term. Hugs, Tess
@Erssyl (617)
• Philippines
1 Feb 09
If that is true,the fact that she is not married at all and she just want to bear children,In my own opinion she must be out of her mind and very irresponsible of her.Depriving all those children of a normal family life.Maybe it is her way to be noticed having the ability to produce multiple pregnancies.Or she wants to be in Guinnes book of Records.I hope she realizes as soon as possible the true responsibility of a mother.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Yes, lets hope she isn't the nutcase many of us fear she is.
@Chevee (5905)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I hate to be negative about this when all we know is what we hear from the news media. I certainly would like to know why would she want more babies if she and her husband is separated. I agree with the responder that said more babies more money, and that is really hard on the older children in most cases they are they ones that are looking after their younger siblings. I know it is going to be hard to raise 14 children by yourself, and with the economy as bad as it is. All I can say is good luck to the mother and children.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
AOL news is reporting that the grandmother, and neighbors interviewed say the woman has never been married. She is single, always has been. The story also says that all 14 children are supposedly from the same sperm donor.
• Canada
1 Feb 09
The original story stated she had problems conceiving so I don't know what to believe I think they need to give us her name so we can find out the truth rather than hearing speculation all the time. For all any of us knows she may be very wealthy and does not need to work and maybe her parents live with her? If no one knows her name then no one knows where she lives. I say leave her be and she will come out of hiding eventually.
@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
6 Feb 09
hi Tess...i had heard that also..but i guess its the fault of the doctor who injected her 8 cells ? i cant remember the first one(sperm?)or whatever that causes the birth of the eight children..i guess the state should help this young mom...
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 09
i think she needs help. she can't be right.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Hey tess! I don't understand this at all! First of all I worked for an Infertility Specialist for 2 years! There was a great deal of pre-screening before a patient was even considered to have this procedure done! Not only physical screening, but mental health screening! There is no way that a woman who was single with 6 children would ever be allowed to have infertility treatments! She is not considered infertile! She has 6 children! WTF kind of doctor did this procedure! He should have his license revoked! She is not married, not in a stable relationship and not infertile! No doctor in his right mind who is legit would ever do this kind of procedure because he would lose his medical license! This case needs to be investigated for sure! It makes no sense! There are codes of ethics and protocols that have to be met before a woman can have these treatments! The treatments alone make woman's hormones raging and they go through mood swings that are unbeliveable! I should know, I had to deal with them! This is some serious stuff that they are given and has to be closely monitored every single day with blood tests! Something is very wrong here!
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Well the latest news story I just read said that she has never been married, her six other children were ALSO conceived with fertility help. And that all FOURTEEN of the children have come from the same sperm donor. Apparently she has her embryos (sorry for mispelling here) frozen and didn't want to "waste any."
@uicbear (1900)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Clearly there are some real issues with the mother. I really don't feel that we know the whole story there. My big problem is with the doctor. I personally think he should be brought up on somekind on negligence charges. I read that he said that it is his job to educate his patients. I'm sorry, so after your counsel, this woman, who already has 6 children, still wanted more, and you thought that was ok ?!?!? I really think this doctor thought that he could get some media attention...and look, he is. What a world.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Yes, there is something wrong with a medical practice that would even help someone concieve this many babies knowing the mother's current situation.