Quotation Marks...What's Right?

@Jellen (1852)
United States
February 21, 2009 9:10am CST
I have trouble with quotation marks at the end of a sentence, when it only includes the final words of the sentence or question. It looks strange to me to have the quotation mark outside the period or after a comma. How does it look after a question mark or exclaimation mark? And what is the right way to punctuate a question that is a quote? example: The man called himself a "winner." The man called himself the "winner!" The man was the first one there, but was he really the "winner?" She asked, "Is the man the winner?" What is correct here? And is the first letter of a quote always capitalized. This has been puzzling me for some time.
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• Philippines
21 Feb 09
here's something most people don't know: you can put the periods and commas INSIDE the quotation marks, regardless of logic (that is, regardless of whether the period/ comma was actually part of the quoted idea). it depends on whether you're following BRITISH standards or AMERICAN standards. although the quotation marks are supposed to enclose an idea and the period/ comma may not be a part of that idea, it is still ACCEPTABLE to include the period or comma inside the quote when you are following the AMERICAN style of writing. here's how the british and american standards apply to your sentences: the man called himself a "winner." (american style: the period is inside the quote) the man called himself a "winner". (british style: the period is outside the quote) now, when it comes to exclamation points and question marks, their placement will depend on the LOGIC of the sentence, regardless of whether you are using British or American standards. to apply that rule to your sentences: the man called himself a "winner"! (this means the exclamation is expressed by the narrator, not the man. this applies to BOTH american and british styles.) the man called himself a "winner!" (this means the exclamation is expressed by the man. again, this applies to both american & british styles.) again, to apply this theory to your next set of sentences: the man was the first one there, but was he really the "winner"? (this is the accepted quotation in BOTH styles, as the question mark is NOT part of the quoted idea) she asked, "is the man the winner?" (this is the accepted quotation in BOTH styles as the question mark is part of the quoted idea) to recap: periods & commas MAY be included inside the quotation marks (especially in American writing). but when it comes to question marks and exclamation points, it will always DEPEND on the message of the sentence, regardless of whether you are writing with american or british standards. both styles (american & british) are acceptable as of this time. ^_^
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
21 Feb 09
A bit more clear now. I am still aprehensive about the use of that exclamation point and if unsure, would deem it a mere sentence, rather than use the exclamation point incorrectly. The question is the tough one for me. If the whole quote is a question, then the question mark goes inside? Or does it go inside only when the quoted part of a sentence is actually a question?
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
if the question mark was part of the quoted idea, then it goes inside. if the question mark is part of the whole sentence and not just the quoted idea, it goes outside. for you not to be confused, write in a separate paper the quoted idea. does it look like a question? for example, let's take apart one of your sentences: she asked, "is the man the winner?" now, let's look at the quoted part: is the man the winner. it sounds like a question, right? so the quoted idea is an actual question, and the question mark goes inside. ^_^ as for the other sentence: the man was the first one there, but was he really the "winner"? in this sentence, the quoted part is: winner. now, that is clearly not a question. so, the question goes outside of the quotation marks. this tip is not always applicable, but most of the time, it can help make things clear for you. always ask yourself if the quoted idea is an actual question or not. if it's an actual question, question mark goes inside. if not, question mark goes outside. hope that helps clear things. ^_^
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• Philippines
21 Feb 09
make sure not to end any sentence with two end marks (when i say end marks, i mean !, ?, or .) so, this sentence is wrong: she asked, "is the man the winner?". there is a double end mark there, as both ? and . are present. the question mark alone should have been present (the period is not acceptable).
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@patgalca (18198)
• Orangeville, Ontario
21 Feb 09
The corrections Spoiledbrat gave you are all correct, except for the last. You do not put a question mark and then a period. Less punctuation is the norm these days. That is, the fewer commas the better. So putting two punctuation marks at the end of a sentence makes no sense. It should read: She asked, "Is the man the winner?" No period after the quotation marks. In the case of the exclamation point it really looks out of place in that sentence. The man called himself "the winner". Is enough. In some cases you may not even want to use quotation marks but rather italics. The man called himself the winner. In the case of dialogue, punctuation goes inside the quotation marks. If you want to stress the winner like I did in the last example by using quotation marks or italics, the other option is to use single quotation marks (which is actually apostrophes). The man called himself 'the winner'. If you are submitting for publication you should do the best you can with your punctuation. If the story/article is good, the editor will correct the punctuation... at least he/she should.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
21 Feb 09
I love a good punctuation, literary discussion. Yes, I do write for publication, but it's for AC and essentially, I am the editor. So when I press submit, I must be fairly sure I am correct. I've been in doubt, so I just rewrite the sentence until it works for me. But the problem with that is the sentence may no longer be conversational or fresh in voice. And I don't have a grammar check to do it for me. And yes, I know the grammar checks can be all wrong. So here are two more questions. You say less is more. Where do you cut out the the commas. I still use them to set off a nonessential clause. I know you can leave them out of short sentences, but I always use them with phrases that have since or because in them--provided they are connected to a complete sentence. Am I right? The other question is the use of the word "so." I seem to use it often. Does it make it a complete sentence if I say this or am I connecting two complete sentences incorrectly if I say the other? So I am going to town to see my sister who lives near the lake. So, I am going to town to see my sister, who lives near the lake. So, I am going to town to see my sister, who lives nearby the lake. Which is correct? I am going to town, so I plan to see my sister who lives by the lake. Here I have connected two complete thoughts with the comma and the so word. Is it correct?
@patgalca (18198)
• Orangeville, Ontario
21 Feb 09
You could be right but if you go by the "show not tell" rule, then the exclamation should come across in details such as facial expression and description of voice as in "he declared triumphantly".
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• Philippines
21 Feb 09
hi there! ^_^ um in the case of the exclamation point, it may not totally be out of place, depending on how the sentence is used. if, for example, it was a part of this story: the man called himself "the winner"! it was unbelievable! what nerve he had! ...then the use of the exclamation point is alright. ^_^ but if it is used as a mere declaration of the fact, then you're right, the exclamation point is not necessary. either way, i think the use of an exclamation point will depend on how the sentence will be used. ^_^
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• United States
22 Feb 09
As I recall, the quotation marks come after the punctuation marks at the end of the sentence. And the first letter is capitalized only when it it the first word of a sentence or a proper noun.
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
22 Feb 09
Thanks for that answer. It slipped by the rest, I think. So much to know about the language I've been speaking and writing for decades. How do the foreigners handle English?
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
22 Feb 09
Since you are not quoting a sentence the period should go after the quotation. If you are quoting a complete sentence then,yes, the first letter should be capitalized.
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
22 Feb 09
This is still confusing to me. I wonder if it has something to do with the British/American differences?
@scott18 (14)
• United States
23 Feb 09
The first three do not call for quotes all together. Those sentences are complete without them and although you may wish to emphasize a finger quote if you were speaking sarcastically, that really is not appropriate in writing (unless it's a play manuscript). The last one is correct, --She asked, "Is the man the winner?"--
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
23 Feb 09
Yes! I got one right! I've been writing for years, but I still have these glitches. Polished writing is very different than conversational writing. I have much to learn and much more to polish. Thanks for your comment.