Here's the Swastika - Pelosi says protestors carrying swastikas - photo found

@Rollo1 (16736)
Boston, Massachusetts
August 8, 2009 12:35pm CST
I want to provide clarification when I can. I posted a discussion about Nancy Pelosi stating that protestors were showing up to health care town all meetings carrying swastikas. The image this conjured in my mind, and in the minds of many, is that they were carrying signs with swastikas painted on them and that they were invoking the views of Nazis in their opposition to Obama. But it seems that there was one instance of a swastika appearing at a rally and the libs found it. After what must have been an exhaustive search to find an example of this behavior, they came up with this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/anti-obama-protester-comp_n_252815.html I understand that there is a swastika on this sign, but what is that painted around and through it? Right, the international sign for "prohibited", the red circle around it with a line painted through it. Basically, this sign is anti-Nazi. Under the crossed-out swastika is a question mark and then "Obama". Regardless of the spin surrounding this sign, I think it's clear that the protester is saying "we don't want Nazi policies in health care", we oppose and prohibit Nazi views and tactics with a question to Obama, asking how he feels about it. I think it's a valid statement, the swastika is not being used to intimidate, it's being used as a symbol of evil that the people oppose. So, Pelosi had a tiny bit of truth in her statement, although it was used to try to discredit people with a legitimate concern. At the time I posted the original discussion, I could not find any instance of this occurring and apparently neither could anyone else. It took them several days to come up with this one photo. I still believe Pelosi was using smear tactics in making her statement, and I don't think the swastika was used the way she pretended to believe it was, nor is there evidence of angry mobs toting swastikas showing up at meetings. What does the sign say to you? Is it offensive or a crime to believe that we should not travel down what appears to some as the road to a Nazi-type regime? Even if this person is calling Obama a Nazi, isn't that valid free speech as opinion is strenuously protected by the First Amendment? Where was Nancy Pelosi when they called Bush a Nazi?
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• United States
8 Aug 09
After looking at the photo I am in complete agreement with you that it's clear that the protester is saying "we don't want Nazi policies in health care", we oppose and prohibit Nazi views and tactics with a question to Obama, asking how he feels about it. I think it's a valid statement, the swastika is not being used to intimidate, it's being used as a symbol of evil that the people oppose. IMO It is a common ploy when someone wishes to discredit another is to find one tiny kernel of truth and then embellish it with lies.
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@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
8 Aug 09
I would have been happier if Pelosi said the protesters were comparing Obama to Hitler, but instead she made it sound as if the protesters were Nazis themselves.
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• United States
8 Aug 09
If she had said that it would have been the truth! It seems pretty obvious that the sign was making that comparison.
• United States
8 Aug 09
Rollo, it looks as if the huffington post has proven you WRONG. I really have no idea what Hitlers views of health care were, and nor do I think anyone else does on here. So I don't know how you can say that this is clearly anything. If I saw someone holding this sign up, I would ask them what they are talking about because it makes no sense at all to me. The use of the Swastika is NEVER going to do anything but remind people of Hitler, and if you want to put someones name under it then people will imply that you are compairing this person to Hilter. I don't recall Pelosi asking to have these people arrested for carrying a swastika, and I do feel that this is offensive. I do believe that it is this persons right to present this sign, but don't be surprised when people use their same right to express their own views. Are you saying that the speaker of the house doesn't have the same constitutional rights as every other Americans? This is what it sounds like you are saying Rollo. By the way, I have personally compaired Bush's administration to Hitler's, but not in comparison to Bush personally. I believe that Karl Rove was Bush's Joseph Gerbils, they both were great at using the media, and manipulating everyone to do what they wanted.
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@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Aug 09
I was talking about Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Rahm's brother who is the top health care adviser to the president and who said "services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia." You can read the full quote above in one of my replies above. This man is a fellow with a right-to-die institute and basically believes you don't waste health services on the disabled, those with mental or physical disabilities. This is why I could call him the Joseph Mengele of the Obama administration. These are not my words, they are his. You have to read and decide for yourself how you feel about a man who has the ear and the confidence of the president, is advising on health care reform, and whose personal beliefs are such that he advocates denying health services to people who are not "fully participating citizens".
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• United States
9 Aug 09
That is pretty questionable, but I believe the people just do not want a Nazi regime. I know I don't. I question Obama as well. I have seen a lot of negative come from Universal Healthcare, and I don't know if that is what Obama truly wants, but it does seem like he is hinting at it. I admit that healthcare should not be a business, everyone should have healthcare, but under Universal Healthcare, we would be like Canada or the UK. In Canada, people have to wait months almost years to see a doctor and some are even put into a lottery. In the UK, Great Britain mostly, people have to wait months or years to see a dentist (now you know why some of the British have such horrible looking teeth). We need Healthcare reform, yes, but not Universal Healthcare. As for free speech, we Americans are entitled to our opinions, and we have the right to say what we want, but some people do take it a little too far. For the record, Pelosi is a Democrat, Bush is a Republican, she does not have to defend Bush or agree to anything that Bush says or does because he is not of her party. Although he might be president, she does not have to stand up for him. She stands up for Obama because he is a Democrat. She will defend a member of her party.
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@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Aug 09
I think party affiliation should be the last thing that people think of when something this sweeping is under consideration. They must put country and the people first, and party affiliations second. There aren't many who are willing to do that. I respect the Democrats in Congress who are saying no to this bill and demanding changes before they sign on. They are giving their constituents what they deserve, a representative who believes his job is to represent them and not his party.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
8 Aug 09
Thanks for posting this. I was wondering if it was true or if the old hag had dementia. It is an anti-Nazi sign in my opinion. In fact it seems to be questioning the beloved leader on whether or not he is acting like a Nazi. And it makes me wonder, too, especially after the White House blog asking us to narc on our neighbors about misleading health care emails and the like.
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@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Aug 09
I think someone must have sent this photo to her and she turned this instance into the accusation that angry mobs carrying swastikas were thronging and planning mayhem. It's a bit of a stretch. But wild accusations get a lot of attention, that's why people throw them out there.
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
8 Aug 09
After reading all the answers so far to this post,I find many do not know the true history of the swastika,and at least one that has the wrong idea about the Canadian health care system. The swastika is over 4000 years old,and considered a sign of good luck in parts of the world today.Just because Hitler used it for his emblam,should it's true meaning be destroyed. And as for the health care in Canada being a " terror story" is only becaus most of our health care personnel have moved to the United States for the bigger money leaving us with out enough medical personnel.The main thing in Canada is the fact that EVERYONE in Canada is covered,those that can afford it,pay about $20.00 to $35.00 a month,those that do not make much can get dicounted rates to full coverage without cost to the individual. Thank you for the discussion.
@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Aug 09
Although Hitler hijacked the swastika for his use and it originally had a benign meaning, it is now and forever associated with him and that's just the way people will always view it. Along with the people who aren't necessarily satisfied with the health care systems in Canada or the UK, you must also consider that this health care bill in the US is not necessarily the same as the systems in either country. Each country has it set up in their own way, there is no reason to believe that this is modeled on either country. It is the provisions of this particular health care bill that people object to.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
8 Aug 09
It is IMO a sign telling Pelosi or whoever else was at this meeting that we don't want Hitler type rule in our country. It would be laughable if that young woman sued Pelosi for slander because I think what Pelosi said was just that - SLANDER
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@Rollo1 (16736)
• Boston, Massachusetts
8 Aug 09
What Pelosi said conjured an image far removed from this one photo. One photo, not angry mobs wearing swastikas.
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@nzinky (822)
• United States
8 Aug 09
It seems to me that Nasty Pelosi wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and slapped her in the face......Any one with half a brain knows the international sign for prohabit is......Oh I forgot Nasty Pelosi doesn't have half a brain....She has her nose so far up the President rear if he makes a shape turn it will get broken...... I never in my life time thought I would hear the President of the United States that the elderly should be killed off along with unborn babies and children up to the age of two could also be killed off......I'm starting to wonder when he will start building gas chambers to get rid of the people he doesn't want in the country.... When every nation that I have been in has always taken care of the older parnets.....Makes a person wonder just how far he is willing to go....He's defently not the President of all the people...Only his choosen few....I can imagine what would happen if any of our fore fathers of the country could imagine this would be going on today.... I hope that when congress comes back after all of the people have yelled at them they will have heard our voices......But they are only worried if they are going to pass this stupid bill or not...... IF THEY DO ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.....