Why is telling someone something is wrong is not judging

@suspenseful (40193)
Canada
April 20, 2010 11:57am CST
I have been looking into this judge and be not judged, and it seems that some, in fact many tank it to mean, "if I do something wrong, if I go and take something out of Walmart and walk out with it, you cannot say anything or say it is wrong, because you are judging me as I had a perfect excuse (was poor,etc. the cashier snarled at me or whatever)." And I presume he would say the same thing to the police officer since he feels it is his right and duty to take things that do not belong to him. Therefore, when someone says do not judge me, they are really saying I have a perfect excuse for stealing, etc. A person who realizes that he is doing wrong, will not use that excuse. So telling someone to do good is not judging. Yet it is made to look that way. And if you are judging someone, you have to make sure you are not doing what you accuse the other person of doing. So what do you consider judging?
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
20 Apr 10
Funny that you ask, because I felt like I was recently judged for my beliefs. (which occasionally happens, but this time it was someone I know who I thought understood me and I was tired) So I actually wrote a short story about this and posted it on facebook for all to see.. What do I consider judging? I think there are two ways to judge. 1.Pointing fingers at someone for doing something that you self are also guilty of. (Or maybe that is considered being as hypocrite?) 2.You accuse without knowing all the facts. Now to judge someone for stealing, the is not judging, but telling the truth, what they did is wrong.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Apr 10
I do feel that when you say "do as I say, not as I do," and the person goes ahead and does it, and I say "you horrible person, how did you do that?" that is the kind of judgment that Christ told us not to do. Of course, that makes the person a hypocrite. It also boils in to a part of "everyone can do it and not me," and I am thinking of normal everyday things such as being able to drive a car when you do not live in New York, you are not poor, there is no poor service, or you are not a complete nincompoop. The part that I am unclear us is the accuse - if I see someone taking something from a store shelf, and not paying for it and walks out of the store without telling someone who works in the store, that he is showing it to his handicapped friend, I would think he is stealing. I do think that some people feel that if you tell them that they stole, and they accuse you of judging them because you did not know they have a sick and dying grandmother at home, that is a different story. They accuse you of judging.
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• United States
22 Apr 10
God is so good, you won't believe what I received in my e-mail today. Now before you judge this e-mail, because it is Messianic, so it talks about the law, but as you scroll down, it also talks about grace and love. http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=75ff2ce00cd8d000f32a93f98&id=92b1adbec0 I think this may help you..:)
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Apr 10
That is not the point. It is that some people consider if you say something they do is wrong, even if you are nice about it, they will consider you as judgmental. I have had that happen to me. I know that are some people who think that if you bake a cake, and help someone out, that they will like you, but unfortunately that does not happen. Some have their minds made up that no matter how wrong the thing is that they are doing, that they have a perfectly good reason to do it.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
20 Apr 10
That's a tough question on the surface but really simple. If something is against what a person was taught, they are wrong. If they were taught not to steal, they are wrong if they steal. The problem is that our society has become so accepting of everything that there are very few actions that are considered wrong. For example, we are not supposed to judge unwed mothers--there is no longer any shame in becoming pregnant out of wedlock. Until this harmful attitude changes we will continue to be condemned when we say it is wrong. Same with stealing if you are poor, murdering if you lose control of your temper, etc. It is a whacky, insane world.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Apr 10
That is the trouble. When I was in my teens and before, being an unwed mother was shameful, even if one gave the baby up for adoption. In fact, not being a virgin before marriage made one beyond the pale. Now the world is gone crazy. If a girl get pregnant out of wedlock, she have to either kill the baby in the womb or keep it. If she gives the baby up for adoption, she hates the baby and those who adopt a baby are considered child-stealers and just doing it for the prestige. There is no excuse for killing someone unless that person is about to kill you himself (or herself) and you are defending yourself, your loved ones, or that you are on the battlefield and it is a war situation. It seems now that doing wrong is right and doing right is wrong. Completely turned upside down.
@urbandekay (18278)
20 Apr 10
The biblical injunction is against judging the person not against judging the act all the best urban
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Apr 10
But is not that to do with partially about the rich man in fine clothes and the poor man in rags? I mean it is easy to tell whether the poor man is honest and clean, because even though he is dressed in old jeans and a tee-shirt, if his face is clean, it is different then someone who is unkempt if that person can go to the local washrooms and clean himself up a bit. The same with the rich man. If you see a rich man who is known for his charity, it is a bit different then seeing a rich man who makes a pig of himself and throws widows and orphans out in the street. So in a fact, by their appearance, you do make a judgment.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
21 Apr 10
Well that's a pretty deep question suspenseful. I like to think of myself as pretty open and non-judgemental but you question makes me question myself a little here. If I saw a person stealing, I would, I guess , judge him a thief because he earned that title. Thing is, I don't throw all thieves into one barrel and judge them the same. There are very good and honest people that have found themselves in a situation that has caused them to do something totally against their nature.Ok better put...I don't judge the person but I do judge the deed. If you do something wrong then you have to pay the price. A decent person will do that and learn from the experience. I try not to judge people but I have to say that I have at times been guilty of it. Haven't we all?
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
That is what I am talking about. Killing someone in their sleep is wrong even if he is a monster, but if he comes after you with an axe, and you happen to have a kitchen knife in your hand, that is self-defense. Now if the wife who killed her husband in his sleep was shown to have gone completely mad and there were signs already showing, that would be a different story. And at least the judge would have been sympathetic since she was mentally ill anyway and would have perhaps did something crazy even if she never was married.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
28 Apr 10
are you referring to the abused women who kill their spouses and get off easy because they were abused? I agree with you having been in a very abusive marriage. If I killed my husband in self-defense, that'd be one thing but for me to be angry at the abuse and attack him in his sleep...sorry that is wrong.
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@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
22 Apr 10
When a person imposes their beliefs on me- unsolicited and when I am not doing anything to indicate that I want to know their beliefs- based on something I did that they believe is wrong, they are judging me. Catching someone who is staling is not judging, because that is not only a religious belief, but a rule of society. It is against the law to take things that don't belong to you. So that person should be caught and made to give back what they stole or to pay it back. However, if someone says to the theif- 'you are a sinner and are going to hell,' that is judging. If I choose to do things that you believe are wrong, but are not crimes against another person, you telling me that is judging me. For example, using birth control. Some people believe that it is a sin, but I don't. I would rather prevent an unwanted pregnancy than have children I can't afford to take care of. If you call me a sinner and treat me differently, or even just think it to yourself, you are judging me.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
I think one cannot be silent on their belief, and that means, Christians cannot stop talking about Christ if they are in public. There is someone in the crowd who wants to know about Christ even if the rest do not and it is not right for the others to say, "No you cannot mention Jesus." And it is wrong to not allow any Christian books in stores. That is why we have Bible selection at our Mall bookstore. But if someone does not want to hear about God or whatever, they cannot say "all right, I do not want to know about whatever religion, so we cannot discuss that on the internet." However in person, it is a different story. If I deliver fliers, and there is a note saying "no to fliers," I know I must not go there. If I am delivering religious pamphlets, and the note says "We are happy being ----:" no to anything wanting us to change our beliefs," then I know I will not deliver fliers. When I talk to someone, I may not know if that person is antagonistic until he or she walks away when I start talking about the ladies at church in a positive light. With birth control, I have no idea whether that person will die if they have another child or not. Sometimes doctors tell a woman to not have any more children or she might die. and sometimes a woman uses birth control not because she believes in it, but she does not want to be an unwed mother and may be in a situation when she may not escape the guy who is hitting on her. That is easy to understand. But there are somethings that are wrong because they will hurt others. Murder hurts others, stealing hurts people, being greedy hurts people,telling falsehoods hurts someone and they have been here from the beginning.
@xasasa (321)
• United States
21 Apr 10
I think it is more deeper than someone being judged for stealing something from Walmart. I think it is thinking something of a person without knowing everything. For example, you are in Walmart and you see a mother with several children that have dirty and have messy hair, what are you going to think about this mother? That she neglects her children? That she doesn't love her children? What you may find out by talking to the mother is that her car got stuck in dirt and the children got dirty pushing it out of the dirt/mud. Or that her husband just got in an accident and is now in a coma, and that is all that is in her head. I think it all depends on the situation. If someone is stealing from Walmart are they stealing electronics, if so they are most likely doing it to get something for free. But if they are stealing bread, or fruit, or any type of food then they may be stealing it so that their children will not have to go to bed hungry.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
Stealing is wrong. It is just as bad for a poor man to steal to feed his family as it is for a rich man to steal just because he does not want to work. With the poor man, it is pride. He is too proud to go to the Social Welfare office or he is too proud to pick up cans or do odd jobs. Stealing electronics could be said as someone saved up and up for something, that they needed for work and was desperate. It is the same as stealing a planer or tools from a hardware store because you have to have your own tools for work especially in some mechanic jobs. It depends on what the person feels, but still stealing is wrong. One can ask for a loan, one can budget, one can work harder, etc. So it does not matter who the person is. It is the same thing as saying that like here in Canada, if you are an aborigine, and you steal, you go into a circle and talk to the elders, and you get a lighter sentence, but if you are not an aboriginal you steal, and you go to jail. As for appearance like dirty mud, it is a different story. If it has been raining or if she looks like a farm wife or a Hutterite who owned large farming collectives, one can tell that she has come a long way from farm country, the roads are muddy. And of course, if it rained not long ago, well that is evidence that she is not a neglectful mom. Now if she had a bottle in her hand and starts slurring, one can tell she is not a good mother. So in that case, it is seeing the evidence in the whole perspective.
• United States
21 Apr 10
I have been doing a lot of work regarding this subject. I am doing my best not to judge others at all. It is not my job and I don't want others to judge me. Each person has their own life experience and basically I have gotten to the point, it is none of my business what others are doing. I put all my focus in my life experience and what am I doing to make my life happy and good and those I share it with. Your last question, what do I consider judging?- I would say putting my nose in someone else's life experience and deciding what they are doing is good or bad. To me it is a waste of a lot of time when it has zero to do with me and rather focus my thoughts on finding the good in others and looking for things that make me happy. Please know this just did not happen for me over night. Like I said, I have been doing a lot of work on this subject and this is pretty much how far I have come from my work. Everyone is different but this is how I feel about it. Thanks for such a thought provoking question.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
If you see someone stealing from the store, would you think "all right that person is in rags, I will not say anything," or "that person is black, and their ancestors were slaves, so I will not say anything," but if a white person or a person who is the supposed wealthy majority stole then you would speak up. It does not matter if someone had a bad experience in life. A person who is poor can go and collect bottles, or ask to do something or take any job. He or she can say "I do not want to be a thief," and even if the person he asks has only a few pennies, they can at least ask them to carry a bag for them and give them the few pennies. As for finding good in others. Well I heard Goering loved dogs. And evil people do love their children. For me, judging is saying someone is not a Christian because they might go into a movie complex and I would assume that they are going to watch a really blasphemous movie when they could have just gone to watch a Disney nature film. We do have to be judged by the same standards. We cannot say it is all right for someone to steal or kill because they happen to be of a darker color, the same it is all right for someone to believe in God and Jesus Christ because he happens to be black and yet for us white people if we believe in Jesus Christ that we are hypocrites. To me that is wrong judgment.
@jezzmay (1845)
• United States
11 May 10
Stealing is wrong, and people know this. If you point this out and they say you are judging them, they are using that as a excuse to not feel they where wrong in what they did. To me judging a person for what they are doing, and you are doing the same thing is wrong. Jesus said the first one without sin cast a stone at the women who they was trying to judge for her act of sin. Not one of them cast the stone, they all left. Then Jesus said I do not condemn you go and sin no more.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
Those Pharisees and Sadducees did not bring in the man she was cheating with. And them leaving showed that at least some of them might have visited the woman. She was wrong in being an adulteress but in reality they were trying really to trick Jesus. As far as the judging part, they were saying that they were without sin, when they were. For me wrong judgment is telling a person not to do something when I am doing the same thing. In that case, the best thing is to say "We both eat too much, so why not both of us keep check on each other, so when we go by a donut shop and I want to go in, you stop me or when you go into Dairy Queen, I stop you," Also saying a person can do something and get a lighter sentence because he is of a different culture is wrong. Or saying something like 'Of course that person is a thief, all ----- are." that is bad judgment.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
22 Apr 10
suspenseful, Citing from your example posted, it is not judging when a person points out the act of theft when it is blatantly wrong in the first place. The accusation is justified as the act is wrongful and being witnessed. Also, this is again not judgmental, being that the act itself is already an established fact of wrongdoing. Judging is when we begin to form opinion of the person who committed the act of theft and start criticizing or condemning that person on moral grounds to extensive disproportionate levels like forming adverse opinions of the thief's family members as well. Hope this would clear up some doubts and bring about clarity here. Take care.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
21 Jun 10
It is not right to assume the other person's family is responsible for their being a thief. More then likely, they tried to discourage that one from stealing and he would not listen. To me, I think bad judging is when a person is giving an excuse on account of their color, place of origin, etc. Or more then likely even though one accuses someone of a crime, one says that because a person has a different skin color or religion or comes from a different country, that person should have a lighter sentence then someone from my country or my religion who commits the same offense. Also assuming that the person is all bad because he did something wrong. I guess that means being disproportionate. I remember when I stole a pair of pantie hose, the store owner said I was completely evil and gave me the impression that he figured I was capable of murder, etc. That was bad judgment on his part. It did keep me from stealing from then on, because I was more afraid of being thought of as a bad person then of as a thief.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Apr 10
suspenseful hi this is interesting in that I had not thought of that in the sense you are talking about. I had alwaysd felt it unfair of a stranger to judge me as a glutton or a slob because though I am overweight there are reasons that are not gluttony or slobishness but diabetes and the meds I must take for it, cause weight gain, this my doctor explained to me so that is not an excuse. but in the case of stealing there is now way to justify that. I am a Christian too and i believe in thou shalt not steal.So yes in that case its not judging the person at all, its telling that person to do good,not bad. Yes if you must judge someone you had damned well make sure you are not doing whatever you have accused the other of doing, good discussion thanks.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
27 Apr 10
My former pastor has diabetes that runs in his family, also our new pastor's wife has diabetes in her family, plus my daughter=in-law. Neither of them is overweight, but they have to be careful and check their blood sugar. Oh by the way, have you tried Chromium? That will help and it might make you lose weight. My doctor is a pill pusher.Even though I did not have diabetes, he prescribed some pills just in case But what I did was to try to find some natural way to reduce my blood sugar and now it is almost at normal. I can also see it in my friend who has high blood pressure and as well as my husband, neither who is overweight, and yet because I am a little on the heavy side, people think i have high blood pressure and high chloresteral levels. Not true.
• United States
20 Aug 10
judging people is wrong.. nobody has the right to judge anyone. it hurts to be judged. it is better to let other people live their own lives. so just live ur own life with out judging others.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
1 Apr 11
Does that mean when someone does something wrong like stealing and what could hurt someone, one has to keep quiet? Does not work for me. The Bible says to judge righteous judgment, that is to not do the same thing that they do and say to them it is wrong, but to keep them from doing wrong and tell them they should not have done that because it does hurt. If things went your way, no wonder crime is increasing because it is not right to sit around and let someone do horrible things and commit sins and evil.