To Atheists: Can you prove that God doesn't exist?

United States
November 17, 2006 10:24pm CST
The burden of proof is on you...I can prove through personal experiences in life that he does, so how can you go about proving to me that he doesn't?
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@Gahagan (144)
• United States
23 Nov 06
I will prove to you there is no god if you will prove to me purple elephants do not exist. In science, the burden of proof falls on the person asserting exsistance of factor. I do not need to prove a negative. Why do you find proof necessary, anyway? Why does it matter to you what I beleive?
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• United States
23 Nov 06
Honestly I could care less what anyone believes, I'm just trying to start a thought provoking, and interesting discussion. I'm not here to prove right or wrong. If you wanted to worship a green monkey I wouldn't care...lol btw..I often thought of starting a "Realm of the Pink Elephant", and print up a book of prophecies handed down by a Pink Elephant, and offer them as a reward for donation. I of course would be the prophet of the religion, the one whom the Pink Elephant chose to hand all of his prophecies and teachings to. I'd have every acid-tripper in the world sending me money.
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• Canada
11 Dec 06
Hold on now... you said that the burdon was on us to prove you wrong... This person stated his case, and you now say you don't care what he thinks? Why bother start a conversation then (Other than the obvious fact that you will make money from it).
• United States
12 Dec 06
I said I didn't care about this person's beliefs...he/she asked me what their beliefs matter to me...their beliefs matter not...this wasn't started as a debate on beliefs being right or wrong...it was for people to provide proof of there not being a God. I could care less what people worship, or if they even believe there is or isn't a God at all...I didn't intend it to be a religious debate, just a thought provoking subject than anyone is welcome to put their input into. If you want to worship a purple cow then feel free to try to provide proof of his existence... that's what this topic is actually all about.
@achyuta (2854)
• United States
18 Nov 06
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few: 1. The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. 2. Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life: It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. 3. The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
• United States
18 Nov 06
Well this definitely makes a strong case for God...but i was looking for an atheist's proof there isn't one...thank you though for helping me make my case...
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@koikoikoi (1247)
• United States
23 Nov 06
Without God you atheist humans wouldn't be here
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• United States
23 Nov 06
Just for the record: I am a Christian, but I figured this to be a very thought provoking subject which could help people make more money by posting on here, also if you are gonna have a discussion, why not have a meaningful one?
• United States
23 Nov 06
Ok here is some proof that he does not exsit. There are so many different types of religion and they all feel they are the right ones. Last I knew everyone can't be right. Then they fight with eachother and sometimes kill in their god's name. Would a god that actually exsited allow for people to kill in his name? I've also heard rumor that god would come back to Earth when he is needed the most. What the heck is he waiting for? How much worse could this world be before he decides to get off his cloud and get down here? Maybe he is either lazy or NOT THERE. All of this is just opinion though, just like any proof that he does exsist. You say you have proof, would you mind sharing it?
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• United States
23 Nov 06
I was raised in a Christian church and taught to believe the bible in it's most literal form. Unfortunately you can't teach faith. I always had the faith to believe that it was all true, but yet I still had questions. I never wanted to be a "try it before you buy it" kinda guy so I just went along with it. It wasn't until a couple years ago when I was living behind a dumpster that I actually tested it out and told God that I couldn't handle things on my own. Shortly after that I found an awesome church right there in town and on the first sunday I went the pastor preached a sermon on Hills and Valleys. It felt as if he was speaking to me exclusively out of the several hundred in the congregation. I went back for the next few weeks, and each one of the sermons were amazingly about similar situations to something I was going thru at that very time. I was spellbound. I decided right then and there to put my faith into christianity and never look back. I wasn't even in control of my own legs when the pastor had altar call the 4th week, and I found myself standing with about 30 others in front of the church. Wow what a moment I will never forget. Ever since then I have put my total faith in God to handle everything for me, and I am now better off than I was before my homeless situation, and nothing had to do with my choices. I let God lead my life, and comtrol my destiny by his will. If there was not a God, then explain why I was left in such a bad situation, and only after actually asking for help, was led to a church which just happened to have a sermon about what I was going through at that exact moment? Not only once but 4 times. What else could it have been? Surely not something of my own will...and too unusual to be coincidence.
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• United States
23 Nov 06
I would have to guess mind over matter. It's great your life was turned around, but you did it all yourself. You heard his words, put them towards your own life and decided to make a change. It sounds like it was a change for the better and that's great.
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• United States
23 Nov 06
I would have to guess mind over matter. It's great your life was turned around, but you did it all yourself. You heard his words, put them towards your own life and decided to make a change. It sounds like it was a change for the better and that's great.
• United States
23 Nov 06
To ask an Atheist to prove that God doesn't exist is as silly as an atheist asking you to prove that God does exist. Their is no right or wrong answer...only what each individual chooses to believe. It is each person's right to follow their own spiritual path without the burden to prove their belief holds more merit than another's. For you to say your personal experience in life proves that "he" exists only provides proof for yourself and others that CHOOSE to believe it. You cannot possibly provide any concrete evidence to support this so called proof. The same thing goes for an atheist. An atheist cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that GOD does not exist, because it is possible. By the way how do you know God is a "he" and not a "she" or beyond gender itself. I'll end with this....it is possible that there is a GOD or not, it is also possible that aliens exist or not ....but can you prove it?
• United States
23 Nov 06
Aliens do exist...I was dropped here by them over 600 years ago...lol
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• United States
2 Dec 06
ha!ha! Then you've just proven reincarnation as well. Either way brother from another planet, good to see your in a better place now. I say if what you believe makes you a better person then it's great. I just think people should respect one another's beliefs and not fall into the trap of becoming judgemental. Judging people usually never results in anything good.
• United States
3 Dec 06
I am atheist first of all. Moving on, how can you prove he does exist? Simply because there is a "bible" does not mean "god" wrote it. Do you honestly believe he wrote the "bible" if he is such a great thing and did exist then religon would not be so critical and against people such as gays, and many other things that religon is against. If it were real then the world would be a much better place and many things would not have occured. If "god" were real then life would be as it is and "he" would have helped those who needed help but there is no god, there is no religion and that is why the world is the way it is today. Look around you and think to yourself look at the world do you honestly think that god exists?
• United States
7 Dec 06
So you are saying that the same god that created a man then created a woman to be his companion actually meant for men to be with men and women with women? I'd think not...Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve...as far as wars and suffering go, It's His way of testing our faith...he wishes none to perish, and all will be saved by placing their trust in him...my example is a perfect one...I was suffering, and placed my trust in Him and all was solved...
• United States
11 Dec 06
Using God to fuel hatred for gays? That's an origonal one. Maybe we could get together and burn some witches later. I have a pocket full of stones just waiting for a group of dancing people to show up so I could teach them what the Bible says about that. If you use religion to better yourself, help the world and be compassionate, that's great, good for you. If you use your religion as a means to hate gays, or Jews, or anyone else you don't understand, F you and you God. He's a tyrant, a childish magician and you deserve eachother. Bigot!! Force
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• United States
11 Dec 06
did you even read what I wrote above? If so you obviously didn't comprehend it... allow me to quote myself: "Although Christians do condemn homosexuality we do not condemn homosexuals. We feel that they are not living righteously and seek to help them repent of their sin and walk in the light as God has intended."
@Poison_Girl (4164)
• United States
23 Nov 06
Sharing a story is not proof that God exists. Unless you can show physical evidence that he does WITH your story, it's really nothing. Why do you care if atheists don't believe in God anyway? We all have our own beliefs and that's just something people need to learn to deal with.
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• United States
23 Nov 06
I'm not questioning beliefs, I'm just starting a discussion. Call it giving everyone a say. We have muslims on here trying to prove their cases, Christians trying to prove theirs, so I figured why not give the atheists a chance to plead theirs. I ama christian, I never started this in plans of arguing with anyone, I just figured it could lead to a very interesting discussion.
• United States
23 Nov 06
Oh ok... Sorry.
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• United States
23 Nov 06
It's ok, but you know it is funny. So far most of the responses I have are rather upset people or so it seems. It proves one thing to me. No matter waht faith you are, it seems people tend to become upset whenever that faith is questioned. Call this a study in human psychology for me. But stil people are giving detailed, well thought answers, which is what a discussion is all about...
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@misskatonic (3730)
• United States
29 Nov 06
I find this to be a very interesting question. Mainly because the entire point of faith is belief without proof. The whole idea of faith is to believe without proof, to have pure faith in something. Proof of God's existence negates the entire purpose of faith.
@sabrinam (1204)
• United States
1 Dec 06
It's impossible to prove either, "The faith of a mustard seed" ring any bells?
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• United States
2 Dec 06
Luke 17. I'm familiar with it. But faith is still the principle of belief without proof. Luke 17 says nothing about proving or disproving belief in God, simply that faith in God gives mankind strength. You don't believe in something that is proven real. It ceases to be belief. The dictionary definition of faith is: 'belief that is not based on proof'. Like I said, I just found it an interesting question based on the basic principles of the Christian tennets.
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@katrina21 (116)
• India
9 Dec 06
Here is a classic proof that God (of the omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent kind) does not exist. But of course it is a proof only if you believe in logic - so you need to believe in something to start with! If God exists and is omniscient, he knows about all the suffering and the wrongs that exist in the world. If he is benevolent and kind, he cannot possibly tolerate all the suffering and pain of humankind. If He exists and still does nothing about the pain and suffering, then he is not omnipotent! So He cannot exist. For more details, check my blog on Why God Cannot Exist at http://whygodcannotexist.blogspot.com (planned!) With apologies to Bertrand Russell - I do not think I got his argument absolutely right, but I think you get his gist....
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• United States
11 Dec 06
You know what would be nice Shoreboy? If you would speak your mind int his thread. Noone wants to hear what you read somewhere. If you can't conduct a debate without copy/pasting from websites you shouldn't bother debating. Stop stealiong other people's words and speak for yourself for a change, ok? Force
• United States
11 Dec 06
LOL, never mind I posted in the wrong response. I agree with what this person said. While you butchered the quote you got the gist perfectly. Force
@Tanya8 (1734)
• Canada
21 Dec 06
Sndcain, I've only participated marginally in this discussion, but I thought I'd make a comment on what you just said. People who don't believe in God, can still comment on his character based on the descriptions given by believers. For atheists it's similar to dicussing the motives of characters in books or movies. You don't have to believe in a concept to be able to discuss the concept.
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• United States
27 Apr 07
Atheists are not the one asserting the positive argument. We believe nothing, therefore have nothing to prove. I think therefore the burden of proof is on you!
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@MarkyB21 (1545)
3 May 07
I'm not going to post too much here as I know it's a very sensitive subject for many people and I don't want to belittle anyone's beliefs or cause offence. An atheist does not need to prove that there is no god - you cannot prove that something doesn't exist but you can prove something does exist. I'm still waiting for proof of god's existence other than rhetoric and some old books. Many people say that their prayers have been answered, my understanding of the christian god is that 'he' is a non-interventionist god. When you pray you are supposed to worship him and thank him for the good things you have - you are not supposed to ask for things and he will not give you what you ask for. I thinking praying for something you want is actually a sin for christians. The day that I see solid PROOF that god exists I will repent and live exactly as god tells me. Until that day I will believe that there is no god/heaven/hell/satan etc. By asking for proof either way, you are lacking faith. Faith is based on a lack of proof and I cannot accept that form of belief.
@Stiletto (4597)
12 Dec 06
I don't see why the burden of proof lies with the atheists - how do you prove a negative? The burden of proof lies with the people who claim to "know" God exists. I'm interested in how you can "prove through personal experiences in life that he does" though.
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• Canada
12 Dec 06
You can't... that's already been demonstrated here.
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• United States
11 Dec 06
Why is the burden of proof on those that don't believe? What is it in your personal experience that proves the existence of God? Have you physically heard His voice? Have you seen him (not figuratively) with your own eyes? Are you sure your perceptions were correct in the experiences you recall?
@rrargh (96)
• Philippines
16 May 07
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. - Romans 1:20
@xtinelee (3379)
• Singapore
23 Nov 06
I can also prove through my personal experience that he DOESN'T exist.
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@blilley7 (196)
• United States
13 Dec 06
Ditto. Ditto. Thanks for the feeling to need a double ditto.
• United States
11 Dec 06
1. It is more of the fact that God's existence cannot be proved than that God's non-existence can be proved. 2. The believers in God do not believe in God through any knowledge, scripture, logic, or reason; rather, they do so totally through faith. 3. There are more reasons not to believe that the conventional Christian God does not exist. 4. God is the name given to the meaning displaced to something that our ancestors could not comprehend but believed was the ultimate force of the universe. 5. So, the force may be some kind of powerful energy, extremely small or extremely large. Or, it could be some conscious element of the universe, in that case resembling more the conventional God, but without shape and size, and the power to have direct impact on the living beings. All in all, you beleive in God by faith, not by reason, so reasoning that God exists or doesn't is trying to put feet on two boats at the same time, that of reason and faith, which are going apart. SPLASH!!
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
11 Dec 06
You know, all arguing aside. Here are the real facts. I can't prove that god does not exist. You can't prove that god does exist. There is no hard evidence in either direction. That being said, should evidence ever come up, anyone who did not sway, would be a fool.
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@Force_Fed (748)
• United States
11 Dec 06
It's not at all nesccasary to prove something doesn't exist. You have the argument backwards. As if having no proof in the inexistence of God is somehow proof that he exists. Can you prove my hair isn't green? No, but that doesn't mean it is. Can you proove that if a tree falls in the woods it doesn't make a sound? No, and it does. Force
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@Metallion (2231)
• United States
29 Nov 06
Honestly I think it's impossible to prove or disprove that statement, too much room for personal interpretation.
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@juicemilk (2291)
• Australia
23 Nov 06
a personal experience does not prove anything.... and you can't prove that something doesn't exist I dont really care either way, its a personal decision/belief
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@niranjans87 (1079)
• India
23 Nov 06
well to all the atheists....this is what my friend said to an atheist ...clap your hands.....come on clap your hands.....you heard a sound right.....didi you....if not you are deaf....now tell me and also show me proof as to which hand produced the noise....your left hand or your right hand....same way you dont prove that God exists....you accept it....just like you cant prove love or any feeling...now if you are still not convinced come on prove that God doesnt exist....just cos you cant see it and hear if or feel it....doesnt mean it doesnt exist....can you.....you cant right....then how dare you ask us for proof....
• United States
23 Nov 06
The sound was made with both hands together. If you are deaf then you heard no noise, so you can not tell which hand made the nosie so that means there was no nosie made just like there is no god. That's about the same logic as what you just used. Here is another one for you. I have a pencile here that will keep lions away. Now, a logical person knows that a pencile will not keep lions away, but there are no lions around so it must be true. Prove me wrong.
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• Canada
11 Dec 06
Which hand made the noise is irrelevant. We've already proven without a doubt how noise is made and how it's picked up by the human ear. You don't have to just accept it, in fact if you really wanted to know how that worked, you can research it.. see the hard evidence and move on to the next question. I would never want to just accept something because I am told to... I'm far too intelligent for that.
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• United States
13 Dec 06
vikingswest....You did know I was talking about real lions right? To tell the truth I don't think I even have a picture of a lion, so it's a great pencile
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@livewyre (2455)
14 May 07
The true answer is that the existence of God can be neither proven nor disproven, which is why there are so many reasonably intelligent people with differing religious views. If God could be proven, then there would be no Atheists. I happen to believe in a creator God who requires us to have faith. If you can prove the existence of God, then faith is no longer required.
• United States
14 May 07
I followed you again. I read your response after i posted mine. You're being stalked again.
@livewyre (2455)
15 May 07
I don't know how I find the time to be here I'm so busy blogging this month...
@aggiejoe (800)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I believe that god exists My prayers were answered when I had my two Boys. I was told I couldn't have kids. But I prayed for them and now I have two healthy boys. No one can tell me he doesn't answer prayers because my boys are the proof that he does.
@rrargh (96)
• Philippines
16 May 07
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists, and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. - Hebrews 11:6