Don't ask, don't tell..

@dawnald (84146)
Shingle Springs, California
December 18, 2010 5:50pm CST
Just got an e-mail saying that the senate had signed the bill and that the president was going to sign it. Well basically, I guess that means people in the military can be openly gay once this goes into effect. Strike one point for civil rights. But one wonders what the anti-gay element in the armed forces is going to do about this, out in the open or secretly.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
19 Dec 10
You mean that the US military has an anti-happy faction? Who are these people that want to bring gloom and doom to our uniformed friends? Heck, legislation to allow people to be open about their happiness is quite some achievement. Bully for the boys and girls in khaki (and blue).
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
grumps and grinches
• United States
19 Dec 10
Whatever it is , they will be in the wrong!It is they that can leave if they don;t like it!
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• United States
20 Dec 10
When you are a member of the US military you are signed up to do a certain term. I believe the shortest term of service is two years, and you cannot just "leave", that is considered going AWOL and is punishable by a court marshal, and serving time in a federal prison. You have to have something pretty serious going on to be med-boarded. Namaste-Anora
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• United States
20 Dec 10
Good! Then they are stuck. For two years they Will Have to deal with gay soldiers.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
Yes but how will the deal with them? IN the dark with big sticks? That is my fear...
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@celticeagle (119147)
• Boise, Idaho
19 Dec 10
Yes, one does wonder about this. The evil element is still there and I also wonder what will transpire. I hope for the best for these people.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
Me too
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@celticeagle (119147)
• Boise, Idaho
19 Dec 10
It is said that some people can't just live and let live.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
Yes, very sad.
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@saphrina (31739)
• South Africa
19 Dec 10
Seems your government learned a lot from our toadies. Told you we should have gotten rid of them, but nnnoooo. TATA.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
They won't go peacefully.
@saphrina (31739)
• South Africa
19 Dec 10
That's the problem with the damn things.
@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
19 Dec 10
That is good. I mean the military will be able to handle the people who will most likely be really few who will take it as far to violate the Uniform Military Code of Justice. As that could mean getting kicked out or dishonorably discharged from the military or actually going to a military prison which I have heard is worst than a normal prison. The DOD did their study and called for its removal so it is a good thing I am sure the DOD has a plan to deal with the issues of homophobia and the likes but I think that the Homosexuals that are currently serving will have a good ear or at least a good head about who to tell and who not to. They have had a lot of practice before joining the Military so they will make the right call on who to tell and who not to. It can also help people as it could get rid of tension that some units maybe feeling as everyone thinks the person is gay and then find out the person is actually gay also you have the thing of the person not supporting the lifestyle but they know the person well enough that they may be slightly uncomfortable with it but will still be nice to the person or will work with them it could also change their feelings on it too.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
I'm sure they do have a plan to deal with problems, although I suspect there will still be some homophobic activity, possibly very sneaky...
• United States
19 Dec 10
I have to ask what you mean by the violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice? What would violate it? Do you feel the new policy violates it?
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
19 Dec 10
I remember when the homosexuals wanted the right to marry and now in Canada it i legal for them to marry as well as in many states, but have you seen a rush to the Justices of the Peaces or the churches that permit these marriages? No. We have to see whether the homosexuals who want this right will enlist and actually go on the front line and be willing to lay their life down for their country. I do know that the Military has strict rules and if there is anyone hitting on anyone, they get prosecuted. That might be considered as anti-homosexuality, and there will be some who would want the officers to lay off, but that would be wrong. What I want to see is if the homosexuals are so eager to join the military and fight for America, then fine. However, if some said that they wanted to join the army and fight terrorism or learn a trade and now that the law has passed, go back on their word, that would be that they just wanted the law passed to expand their course, I would not like that.
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
If somebody joins up and then doesn't do their duty they should be treated like anybody else who doesn't though.
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
20 Dec 10
It is none of anybody's business whether people are straight or gay, and everybody has the right to enlist and serve if they so wish. This law is PROTECTING people from being discriminated against due to their sexuality, which actually shouldn't be asked about or bothered with in the first place. People DO get discriminated against all the time when they are supposed to be protected, so this is just going to be another thing that if not enforced consistently will result in people getting screwed over, just as with everything else. I just hope that it is LESS because people who have a PROBLEM will get in trouble, not the people who are 'different'. If this makes it easier to prosecute anti-gay attitudes and situations, so be it, good!
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@novataylor (6572)
• United States
23 Dec 10
I say Bravo! It's about time. It's one step up for civil rights. Way to go, President Obama. Thank you so much for doing this. Hey, dawnald, great to see you! And the happiest of holidays to you and yours! novataylor
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Dec 10
Hey there, long time no see! the same back at you!
@paula27661 (15899)
• Australia
22 Dec 10
I would imagine that there still will be the homophobic ones that may make life very difficult for any member of the armed forces who happens to be gay. I would guess that a lot of these men may still keep their sexuality a secret because the President may be ready for total equality and acceptance but there are many who are not and probably never will be which is a darn shame really...
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Dec 10
Yep...
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@dorannmwin (36698)
• United States
21 Dec 10
I personally think that it is a great thing that the government is getting rid of the don't ask, don't tell policy. I do, unfortunately, think that there are going to be some negative ramifications from this change in policy as well. I think that as human being that we have rights to be proud of the people that we are. By having the "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the first place, I think that there were a lot of people that weren't allowed to be proud of the person that they are.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Dec 10
The choice wasn't theirs...
@gabs8513 (48715)
• United Kingdom
19 Dec 10
Well, Dawn, as I have always said that is their Life and they are entitled to lead it in Peace and be left alone These Anti-Gay element have to just get used to it and live with it
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
Hopefully
@bunnybon7 (37156)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Dec 10
iam a bit in fear of how the homophobics are going to react. im hoping soon people will except how things are. i mean, i believe we are born with whatever feelings we have that way and i really dont see why people have all these phobic things about it. it does make me worry.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
I'm a little worried too...
@MntlWard (880)
• United States
19 Dec 10
The problem of DADT wasn't that gay members in military service were afraid of their fellow soldiers: it's that there was a threat of being kicked out if the military finds out they are gay. With DADT being repealed, gay service members will now have the option to report homophobic harassment without the fear of losing their own rights to defend their country.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
That is hopefully a plus...
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
19 Dec 10
I think they better stay in the closet till they serve thier term. No telling what the staight ones will do!
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
Hopefully nothing!
• United States
19 Dec 10
Dawn- I spoke with my husband who served in the US Army, and his comments were things will probably pretty much stay the same in terms of don't ask don't tell. His understanding of is that the original policy was pushed and implemented because the feeling was if you told you risked being turned down for enlistment, for promotion, and people being prejudice against you for certain jobs or certain MOS's. It's kind of like why they aren't supposed to ask about religion, race, and orientation when you apply for a regular job. There is a case that it could be used against you even if you are the more qualified individual, but also used in your favor if you are the "right" group and thus it hurts another more qualified individual. Personally speaking, I think this could be applied to anything because there are phobias about lots of things. Most soldiers don't care what your orientation is, your race, etc when you're a part of a unit. You are there to help one another. However, there are always going to a few who will hate someone because they are homosexual, because they aren't Christian, and because they are Muslim. There is always going to be someone who hates something about another so much as to cause issues. Namaste-Anora
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
Hopefully there will be fewer and fewer of those somebodies...
@mtdewgurl74 (18118)
• United States
19 Dec 10
This is good..but I feel that alot still will keep their preferences secret since it just might make people feel differently about them..I swear men can act a little crazy when they find out stuff like this..Which makes me think of that movie called I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry..You would think that grown men would have more sense..lol...And I hope they are accepted. Whatever their choices.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Dec 10
And if they choose to keep their preferences private, that is their own business.
@GardenGerty (101691)
• United States
19 Dec 10
From the 1970's, when first hubby was in the Navy, I would say that for the most part, people know, anyway. Or they think they know. I remember that guys on the ship decided that a certain other guy was gay. They talked a lot about him, but that was all.I felt rather torn, as he was a friend of hubby's and of mine. I think this needs to be balanced so that those who want to come out can do so without being bullied.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
I hope there won't be any bullying.
@blue65packer (11835)
• United States
19 Dec 10
I think more gay people in the military will keep silent because there is so much of the anti-gay element. I think the military will want it that way! Being gay is getting better but I still feel the military still has a lot of issues on it! They have before I don't see it changing anything time soon!
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 10
Maybe not.
• United States
19 Dec 10
I worry less about the anti-gay element in the armed forces than I do if the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan find out a man or woman is gay. They consider such a thing to be a mortal sin and if the person is Muslim, he/she may be ostracized, tortured or murdered. I would expect the tortures would last much longer for an American soldier they discovered to be gay. I know everyone wants equality shouted to the rooftops, but this is one time the shouting may bring down the roof on our gay soldiers. I'm praying all our soldiers will come home, but if they must die, let it be quickly.
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