Is "Illegal Immigran/alient" offensive?

@laglen (19759)
United States
January 4, 2011 8:32am CST
Professional Society of Journalists say that the term "illegal alien/immigrant" is inappropriate. Their "diversity committee" claims that only a judge can claim somebody is illegal. http://www.infowars.com/society-of-professional-journalists-questioning-illegal-immigrant-as-an-offensive-term/ This link isnt very informative but the comments are great! This one is better for information http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/society-professional-journalists-claim-i I guess it is offensive to latinos even though "illegals" can be from anywhere. Do you think these terms are offensive? Do you think we are passing judgment prematurely? How else would you describe somebody that has entered or remained in a country with out proper documentation and permission?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Jan 11
I guess it would be offensive if it's being said about someone who isn't actually here illegally by someone who is just assuming they are. However, if it only refers to those who are known to be illegal, then I don't know why it would be inappropriate. Annie
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
5 Jan 11
Annie, thank you, that is actually a good argument for finding the term offensive. I cant argue with your point. Thank you.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Jan 11
Thank YOU! Annie
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
8 Jan 11
It is offensive, not to mention stupid, for the "Professional Society of Journalists" to spout such ignorance. Their subscribing to "political correctness", the cultural arm of Marxist thought and word reform show their ignorance. The operant word is ILLEGAL and that concept should not be diminished by their foolish euphemisms. Their Orwellian double-talk, double-think is not only offensive, inappropriate, and ignorant; it is utter and perilous nonsense. Blah, blah, blah to blithering, dangerous idiocy. They'd better think of a new "descriptive" name for themselves also, something akin to blithering idiots, and that's putting it mildly. Obviously they are not jounalists in any way, shape, or form.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Jan 11
well said and great points - I believe this just points to why we cant seem to get real news anymore..
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
8 Jan 11
Katrien, you are right in assuming something of a language barrier to your understanding, however, even though Marxist thought is NOT popular with most rational, thinking Americans, the insidious undercurrent has been proliferated through our propagandizing, substandard schools, our politicized media (including the "Professional Society of Journalists" ??????what is that), and other sources. Apparently there are few, if any, "Professionals" or "Journalists" around any more. You see, journalists are suppposed to report the truth, real facts and not their opinions or political double-think, and are supposed to keep watch over government activities as their duty to the American people, and, in fact, the world. Marxist thought and word reform (aka political correctness) is meant to do just the opposite.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
9 Jan 11
Katrien, be very sure that America no longer has a "free press". Our mainstream media were "gagged" by the FCC sometime in 2008. They are totally politicized and no longer report truth, but "political correctness". They do not investigate or monitor government as is their duty. They "report" only what they are allowed to regurgitate by the "powers that be" of our now almost dictatorship. They, like many in America and the whole world, ignore evil, as in illegal activity of all kinds, and so it proliferates. Illegal is the operant word in "illegal aliens". While so many wait in line in respect for law and order, those who abhor and flaut the law are being rewarded and that's wrong in any country anywhere. Besides, every country has only limited resources and space, especially due to economic waste and misspending such as this. So they will find that, because of things such as this, America has become the same kind of crime ridden, third world impoverished country they intended to escape from. That's the only possible result of ignoring lawlessness and evil anywhere.
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
5 Jan 11
Every nation has laws and expect people who visit or immigrate there to follow those laws or face the consequences for behavior that breaks the laws of that nation. Why should the USA be exempt from upholding the laws of our nation. If you come here to the USA by any other means than by obtaining proper paper work then you have broken the law, You know you broke the law, You have commited a crime and an illegal act against the nation you entered into illegally without proper documentation. Why should you be offended at the term illegal? If the shoe fits wear it. Facts are facts. People who come here without proper documentation and expect a free ride have no right to demand we forget or let them off and have no right to tell us we cannot refer to them as being illegal in their acts. Illegal is illegal. Legal is legal. Do it right and legally or wear the label. No one is calling legal immigrants illegal. Only those who deliberately blatantly break our laws then expect we should let it go. That is wrong and they should not get a free ride and handouts. Many American Citizens live in deep hardship and poverty too. Then these illegals come and get free hand outs and ace needy legal Americans out at our tax dollar expense. Charity starts at home with our own citizens first.
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
6 Jan 11
According to the dictonary : The word Illegal means; unlawful, illicit; also : not sanctioned by official rules; Criminal activity, felonious, guilty and disgraceful. Sorry according to the dictonary you are wrong.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
6 Jan 11
hhmmm sounds illegal to me....
@laglen (19759)
• United States
7 Jan 11
yes the Belgian government would be illegal if what they did was deemed a crime. In America, a duck is a duck. I dont know about the no criminal record for illegals. I do know that this is something that the American people want an end to. If you blatantly disregard the laws of our nation, you are a criminal.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
4 Jan 11
They are in the country illegal. The term is appropriate and the only ones whom one should feel sorry for are the small children and the babes in arms who were carried into America without having any choice. And the children who are under teenagers. This judge is so politically correct as well as a wimp who thinks "Oh ---if I call them illegals, I will not be appointed for another term! Poor me!" I did not like that so called amnesty given to those who came to America illegally when they were under 16. It would have been all right if it had been offered to those who were under teenagers, small children, toddlers, and babes at the time, but surely a 13 year old knows enough to know that his parents did not go through customs.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
ok gladys, lets send em home then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I am all for families. I say deport the kids with their parents.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
4 Jan 11
We could think of the many millions (but who counted) of African Americans who did not come "through customs" .. their offsprings. I think of them, I think of the millions brought here wanting to go back home .. not knowing how to return home being forced to labor for free and absolutely forced to forget their own languages and their own parents/families. Maybe, we might all think as humane as possible.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Jan 11
laglen Illegal means you came into o ur country the wrong way,you get all the goodies that even American citizens cannot get, you take jobs when we have hundreds of people out of work, what rights have you got here when you'are a criminal? No these terms are not offensive they are just'the truth. Since when is it wrong to call a person who did something illegal an illegal? I would describe him or her as a crook who sneaked in here without taking out citizenship papers. Illegal simply means not legal. We should be sending them back to their own country. they have brought crime and criminal gangs to our towns here in C alifornia
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
5 Jan 11
ah Hatley, yet another common sense answer. You guys are killin me!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
6 Jan 11
Criminals should be punished, but not all undocumented people are crimicals. I don't think undocumented per se is a criminal. Being here illegally IS a crime...
• United States
5 Jan 11
Hatley I agree 100% send them back to their own country instead of letting them leech off our country and its benefits!
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I suppose Native Americans could make that charge "illegals" quite forcefully .. after all, who was first on this land! Yes, I find referring to people as being illegal immigrants offensive .. just as I find calling people "minorities" offensive. People are people .. not minor to anyone .. so says the American Constitution!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I agree that the term minority IS offensive. But illegal immigrant is a term to describe an immigrant that has entered or stayed in a country illegally. It seems to make sense to me.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Jan 11
Are the terms themselves what are offensive or is it the idea of the assumption that if someone is Latino they must be here illegally? I'd say, if you know someone is here illegally it's fine to refer to them as such but if you don't know that definitely could be offensive. Welcome to myLot, gladys! That's a great point you made about minorities and people not being minor to anyone. Keep up the good work! Annie
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@jennyze (7029)
• Indonesia
5 Jan 11
Good one Anniepa. People are prejudiced. They see someone not of their race and labeled them ... anything they see fit. Why are there lots of immigrant in the first place? The country must feel lacking in something to welcome many immigrants to it. Or the immigrants see opportunities where the locals have no vision about?
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• United States
5 Jan 11
IMO we are a nation of wimps because we are constantly letting illegal immigrants get away with breaking the law by entering our country illegally, paying their medical bills, earn money here but do not spend it here to help the economy but send it out of the country to their homeland!! What a crock!!! and now they are insulted are being named illegals which is exactly what they are. I was a legal immigrant when I came to this country 34 years ago but I resented being called an alien as I did not arrive in a spaceship from Mars!!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
6 Jan 11
something to look forward to - aliens from mars landing and taking our healthcare, food, housing....
• United States
8 Jan 11
it's only offensive to people who are here illegally. i guess now we're supposed to call them "persons of undocumented status with a perchant for travel?" "alien" does kind of sound like a stupid term,but illegal is true to fact. we have russians in my state on expired visas and they've done nothing about them either.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
9 Jan 11
I agree alien does sound funny... here we have a lot of illegals from Mexico and refugees from Somalia and burma.
• United States
5 Jan 11
If a person comes into the country illegally, that person is an illegal alien or immigrant. Going by the PC info, all the people attacking us with bombs in their undies or cars, or flying planes into buildings aren't terrorist. Being a person who isn't particularly PC, I call these people terrorists. I my book if it's not done by a country's laws, entering by the back door makes the person an illegal immigrant or illegal alien. And that applies if they come from South American, North American, Mexico, Africa, Russia, Poland or any other country. And I'm getting tired of people like the President of Mexico telling us how awful we are for not making everyone from his country immediately legal. The illegals support Mexico because they send most of their money back to support relatives there. If people from outside Mexico try sneaking in, they are lucky if they make it out alive. If they are wealthy they have a better chance since Mexico will happily tell Mommy and Daddy to send ransome money. Except it's called paying expenses for the lovely stay in Mexico. Others may be killed, sent to jail for a ridiculous amount of time or they may be sent forever. Yet, El Presidente is telling US how we should treat people. We are the biggest softies on earth.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
6 Jan 11
you are very right. Other countries having issues with the softie way we handle illegals is ridiculous.
• Pamplona, Spain
4 Jan 11
Hiya laglen, I have heard of People trying to get a Job here and them being taken on not very legally. I have to say that they are exploited and often not paid for the work that they do. Therefore they really do need Papers to protect themselves against these kind of abusive People. Also they risk their lives too taking on Jobs on Building Sites when most times they don´t have a clue what they are getting themselves into. Most of the People who took them on were not very well what more can I say? On the News they call them Illegal Immigrants lots of times and no one ever says anything about that that I know of. They have a right to more protection of course they do. I think Illegal Immigrants is not a nice adjective or name to put on People who only come to work and do no harm to anyone. Yes on the News I hear that description quite often.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I live in a town with a high population of illegals. I can tell you, they are NOT preyed upon. In fact, just the opposite. They get food stamps BEFORE citizens, they get healthcare BEFORE citizens, they get the jobs BEFORE citizens. The use of the term is correct. They have entered or remained in a country with out permission. What would they be labeled in your country?
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I understand where you are coming from, and I do not mean to be rude. But saying they dont deserve to be treated like illegals when they are, well, I guess that just confuses me.
• Pamplona, Spain
4 Jan 11
Hiya laglen, This happens here too. What I mean is that they are judging a Book by its cover and on the News they are always saying that illegal and I don´t really think that´s fair sometimes you know. Not all of them get those kind of things here. Some were given Houses and a Job. But the wage of the Job was so poor that they could not pay the Houses and they had to give the Houses back again. What I am trying to say and only say is that no one should be treated like that ever not you or me or anyone. A lot of them have gone back Home as they are not happy here they prefer to be with their own People in their own Land. Some are more resistant and they get to understand and withstand the many Storms they have to go through. A lot of them come from the Coast of Africa and many of them drown on the way or die of cold and lack of Food and water too. If they eventually make it here they deport them straight away again. I would not like this to happen to me or anyone. The Governments should control this kind of thing take a firm stance to protect these People from coming to more harm and humiliation too. That´s all I can say. I appreciate your point many here feel the same. I have come to understand them somewhat and their situation is not what they were promised in the first place.
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• Pamplona, Spain
10 Jan 11
Hiya laglen, This year I hope they really do put an effort in to sorting all this out. It is true what you have said but most People will come here to work and work and then go back home which is where they want to be really. It´s all so very complex this situation I guess it will take a lot of working together to iron out the differences. Take care now.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
11 Jan 11
When they come here and work, then go home, they take that money out of our economy as well.
• Pamplona, Spain
12 Jan 11
Hiya laglen, Yes they do that is very true. We would not be allowed to go to their Country I think to do the same. It´s only the humane side I am getting at here. As I see so many of them get here cold and wet through, dirty and shivering and then they get sent home again almost the same Day. I cannot help but feel for them. I do not feel so strongly for the others that come here to take advantage of Spain and run riot with our economy either. But it seems almost like they have a welcome to thee signpost waiting for them when they install themselves here. There is no money in the Pot to send them back out again either at the moment. Those are the kind that do lots of harm whilst they are here. That´s my view having lived here long enough to see it going on.
@millertime (1394)
• United States
9 Jan 11
I don't think it's offensive at all and I think it's totally appropriate. The term, by definition applies to people that are in the country illegally from another country. Anybody that isn't in the country illegally need not be offended because the term doesn't apply to them. And if it's the illegal aliens themselves that are offended, I really don't care. They're criminals! So, guess what Professional Society of Journalists, I'm still going to use the term illegal alien or illegal immigrant wherever it applies.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
9 Jan 11
I think most Americans will do as you say you will do, continued use the terms. No matter what these groups try to do, I think we have had enough.
@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
5 Jan 11
Yes, it IS offensive; but you know what? It should be! If I seem to be breaking ANY law, I want to be referred to as 'a breaker of that law'---so that a) people are rightly afraid of me as one who broke that law and/or b) I can justifiably rain vengeance down upon the false accusers when absolute proof is given that I DID NOTHING WRONG!
@laglen (19759)
• United States
5 Jan 11
well now, that makes way too much sense...
@dpagek (2)
• United States
5 Jan 11
No. If one is, in fact, an illegal immigrant, then they should be called as such. If you are male, you are called male. If you are caucasian, you are called caucasian. If you are african-american, you are called african-american. If you are female, you are called female. Its how things work, and one should not consider the literal term for what they are offensive.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
5 Jan 11
I agree, but then, your using common sense and we know where that leads.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
4 Jan 11
So... The term "illegal alien" might be offensive to an illegal alien? I'm really confused here. If someone calls me a thief, I'll be offended. But that's because I don't steal. If I did, then wtf should I be offended about? The title of these bozos says it all - "Society" People have long been attempting to change speech as to never offend anyone. It's just ridiculous. I wonder how many of these journalists in this society put on their 1950s box-frame reading glasses and assert that America is cruel and demeaning to all minorities. I wonder how many of them interview Mo Rocca when they assert it.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
lol great points. I think a lot of us are sick and tired of the PC crap and are ready to offend all and sundry. I know I am. Now, I am a bartender so I make a living offending people. great work if you can get it! PC is checked at the door. We have people from all walks of life and I am an equal opportunity offender!
@piya84 (2581)
• India
4 Jan 11
This is a problem of many immigration based countries.Most of the population in USA has been immigrated from somewhere and somewhere so now people who have enter USA find it offensive to be known as a illegal immigrant. Do you think this term is offensive?I have no idea there is no way i am oming there to live so no clue. How else would you describe person who have entered in my country?Well they are immigrants till they assimilate in local culture. I dont find the whole thing annoying till they dont construct nasty slum areas and increase crime rates here.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
Thank you for your reply. It is interesting to know that other countries deal with the same problems we do too.
@mattic (282)
• United States
4 Jan 11
When a woman has been sexually assaulted, should she be prohibited from saying, "I was raped." until a judge has passed sentence? That may seem extreme, but it just points to the absurdity of the "don't offend anyone" PC crap that is going on. If I see someone committing a crime, they are a criminal. When a judge passes sentence, they are a CONVICTED criminal. The real problem is that most judges have come out of the leftist/collectivist university system and been taught "precedent" rather than Constitutional adherence and believe US law should be shaped by interanational opinion.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
While extreme that was a perfect example. I think we need to stop being worried about offending everybody and start being real. Thank you for your response.
@mdorki (125)
• Germany
4 Jan 11
I see nothing inappropriate about that term. When someone comes into any country without permission (if required) and stays there to live without proper documentation and paying the taxes, it is illegal. Those people are foreigners to local people. They often work illegally thus taking the jobs from locals. Criminality is also usually a problem with illegal immigrants in most countries around the world. So, anyone who does this is an alien to citizens of that particular country. As for immigrant, that is exactly what they are too. If that is offensive to someone, it is his/her problem and fault.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jan 11
I agree dear but others do not. I still have not seen a good argument against using these terms.