Why do people say that the universe proves the existence of God?
@dayangsumbi2010 (1724)
Indonesia
February 19, 2011 1:19am CST
Absolutely not logical. We can admit that we do not know where everything came from, but it seems rather arrogant to say we know everything. If we do not use the holy book and only use pure logic, is not arrogant to say that you know God must have created everything? Of logic alone, could not jump to conclusions so. We can also conclude that the universe has always existed, and this is just as valid to the conclusion that the universe was created by higher beings.
In fact if you look at nature, I feel that everything is inefficient. If there is a creator, the creator seems less clever.
Do you know how the process of vision work? The process is very complex, ranging from the lenses that distort the image, then the information is the way to the back of the brain and crossed, then the brain should distort the picture again, and still have to fill in the missing parts because of blind spots. Why God did not make it far more simple?
In fact, do you know that octopuses have a better eye and efficiently than humans? Does this mean that God is more loving than human octopus in the aspect of vision?
Of course, God can exist, can not. I'm not here to debate it. I'm just fed up with the argument that we "simply look at the universe to see the presence of God", because this is not a good argument. Other people can see the nature and make a different conclusion.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
19 Feb 11
Let's say you are a man in the year 1000bc. While walking down a road you run into a car. You examine the car and discover some of the things a car can do.There are concepts you can't even begin to understand. Are you telling me it's not logical to assume a higher intelligence built the car? Give me a break. As science discovers more, science opens door to even more complex things that takes years upon years of study just to get a grasp on. Isn't there higher intelligence behind it all??? Some say this is enough proof. Others say no. Isn't this enough evidence to at least explore the possibility that God exists?????? If God exists, then God can be found. When you find God, you will have your proof. Since life is about learning and discovery, each must seek out their own proof. Why??? You can never know God through others. If you really want know God, you must get personal for God is not a thing to be learned about from others. I find very few who make this choice. There are other things mankind cares more about like being right or smarter than others. Do you desire mere things to feed the ego or do you really seek to discover the truth?? THe choices are all ours!!!
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@donna22 (1116)
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19 Feb 11
I would never say anything "proves" the existece of God. I was able to "prove" God existed I would. I know there is the whole God v science debate but I dont see why they cant work along side each other. I dont beleive the Bible is there to be taken as literal fact. If you read the story of Genesis there is no account of someone being there taking notes! I belive that yes a big bang caused the universe but something had to make that bang happen and there had to be something there is the first place to bang. Have I proved the existence of God? Of course not, its just a theory.
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
20 Feb 11
For the record: I do not know everything but enjoy the learning experience. I do get excited when I learn something new or something interesting.
Now to your question. The argument goes this way. If something simple like a broom requires an intelligent designer then the universe requires an intelligent designer which we call God. You might not agree with it, which is fine, but for many of us we cannot accept the alternative that there is no God.
Whatever you may think of it, the Bible exists and some of us find it a most fascinating book. We see it as a divine revelation from God. One can argue one way or the other but in the end we make the decision.
So when someone makes an argument that we do not accept, we are allowed to present our point of view.
I liked reading your comments, even if I don't agree with them.
I wish you well!
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@najibdina29 (1309)
• Indonesia
14 Mar 11
Of course, every Indonesian has its own views about life (their own personal) and the future of their nation. Now the open question is to measure the extent to which our concern for the future of Indonesia Loving this!
@najibdina29 (1309)
• Indonesia
14 Mar 11
A recent survey says 90% of the world community,believe in the existence of God or other such authority. However, the responsibility to prove the existence of God being thrown on those who believe that God exists. In my opinion should be reversed.
@Demonsbane (30)
• Canada
26 Feb 11
Too many people take the bible too Literally. However there are many other people that know that the bible is full of Symbolism. Examples like: A higher energy, Creator, god, Deity, Supreme being, The almighty, the all knowing, etc.
It is my understanding that the universe obviously comes from somewhere, just like us, just like planets, stars, black-holes and many other unknown events. We all come from somewhere.
No one can prove there isn't a god, do to all these people using theories to debate on religion or spirituality and those who debate that god does exist and use the bible to try and prove their point when the bible clearly say's that believing in god is all about faith. and faith is believing that something or someone is there without seeing or hearing it/him.
My point is that it's all 50-50
@nakula2009 (2325)
• Indonesia
26 Feb 11
We're pretty sure the universe began with a period of expansion is accelerating. This is called inflation because of the size of the universe grows as prices are rising in several countries. Inflation in the early universe much faster than the financial inflation, the universe evolved in factor of a million trillion trillion in a period of one per second is very small. Inflation is the size of the universe is a good thing, not like the price inflation. He will produce a very large universe and very smooth with irregularities in the right amount to explain the formation of galaxies, stars, and ultimately, humankind.
@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Feb 11
dayangsumbi2010, I 100% agree with you.
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@gengeni (3308)
• Indonesia
20 Feb 11
For some people become much easier to assume that this world is created and controlled by the god.
But the claim has no basis except the words of holy men who came to be called a prophet or apostle.
@rifnee (1713)
• Indonesia
20 Feb 11
I'm just fed up with the argument that we "simply look at the universe to see the presence of God", because this is not a good argument. Other people can see the nature and make a different conclusion.
I agree that others may see the world and make a different conclusion. But however there is also a human being who could deny the evidence of the greatness of God.
@kendedes2011 (2712)
• Indonesia
24 Feb 11
Why would anyone say that the state of the universe does not prove the existence of God?
The foundation of the same thoughts as you write the reply, but we go back a little of your conclusions,
The process of human vision which is so complex, which is different from a simple vision of octopus who, unlike snakes who can not see but only rely on heat sensors, if it was not the evidence of creation?
Or can you prove through science that it all happened by itself without the intervention of God?
@myloots (37)
• Philippines
20 Feb 11
universe? I don't think so, but us humans, I believe that we are only a creature of GOD, one thing is , we are not perfect - because that is his plan, we are all unique - who can do that except him, technologies are great but we created technologies - And God created us so God is higher than technologies and moneys, he is the highest. My last thing is "how long can we live here on this land?" Its already bookmarked in his book plan when we gonna die and where. See the accidents on the roads, housed, buildings, airplanes, ships, cars, motorcycles, and anywhere , any age, it is his plan. So, if you here or feel him, don't deny. The important is follow what he teaches. "DO GOOD THINGS ALWAYS" , He is the carpenter, we are all unique houses. Some houses got damaged, but he repaired, some he will not repair it anymore. It depends on you. He maintain every Good Houses, he is our only guide here in sinful earth.
@Galena (9110)
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19 Feb 11
so I keep saying.
and when people can't conceive of a universe without a creator, I ask them how it proves that it happens to be the one they were raised to beleive in.
my belief in my Gods comes from looking inside myself, not from looking at the world. I have a relationship with my Gods.
there is no proof for them. there is no proof for any Gods.
and I would not be so arrogant as to tell someone that the fact that there are mountains and trees proves that my Gods are real. that is arrogant. I wouldn't do it.
people have to make their own spiritual journeys.
and people really should understand that existance doesn't prove any religion. especially not any religion over another religion.
if it proves one religion is true, then by that logic, it proves all of them.
@Galena (9110)
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19 Feb 11
so I keep saying.
and when people can't conceive of a universe without a creator, I ask them how it proves that it happens to be the one they were raised to beleive in.
my belief in my Gods comes from looking inside myself, not from looking at the world. I have a relationship with my Gods.
there is no proof for them. there is no proof for any Gods.
and I would not be so arrogant as to tell someone that the fact that there are mountains and trees proves that my Gods are real. that is arrogant. I wouldn't do it.
people have to make their own spiritual journeys.
and people really should understand that existance doesn't prove any religion. especially not any religion over another religion.
if it proves one religion is true, then by that logic, it proves all of them.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
19 Feb 11
But isn't it possible that people - like me - who do see and hear and smell God's existence in nature get just as tired of persons who do not or who proclaim, loudly, that there is no God?
To me, God is seen in the early morning sky, painted by the Master Artist. Each one is different each and every day. Scientists might tell you that those vivid colors are caused by changing nature (moisture, sun, etc.) But I know the One who created the colors.
I see God in the flowers and even the blades of grass. I hear Him as the song birds sing, often seeming to raise their voices in praise to Him. I know He exists when I stand on the beach, being bombarded by sights and sounds and smells....and letting the sand squish between my toes.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977078519
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
19 Feb 11
Hi dayangsumbi,
Very thought provoking one indeed. Your eye theory particularly caught my attention. Yes what we see is not what we see, this is rather a distortion of the image and this was knowingly made so by the creator. Now to put the question - who is the creator?
I also agree with you that we do not know even one fourth of the universe and scientist Carl Sagan has himself showed with comparison between our brain and the vastness of the universe.
He said if fully unfolded our brain can have the capacity to understand only 10 to the power of 12 whereas the matters of the universe is presumably 10 to the power 14. Now this non equation would push human beings to their back seat and we would never know the universe in toto.
Those who feel that there is God are not incorrect in their notion and hypothesis. They are right to ask why homogeneous things are alike and not different? Why life begins and perishes?
Somewhere something is there. I am not sure nor I am a theist.
