compromise

@allknowing (130092)
India
May 11, 2011 11:32pm CST
There was commotion all over when two of my family decided to get married - both are first cousins (my brothers' children). This is a crime in all respects and I had to do the dirty job of telling them so. But the shocking thing was all attended their marriage and every one else has accepted the situation except me. I have no intention to compromise. It is difficult but if I do then I will be cheating myself which I am not ready to.
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@jennyze (7029)
• Indonesia
12 May 11
I understand your feeling, must be uncomfortable when the others does not see your reasoning when thing as bad as this happened. Maybe they just don't want to face the alternative - the couple may threaten to run away and cut ties with all the families. Still, you have to say whatever is you feeling and stick to it.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
I wonder if all those who are now ok with the couple truly feel comfortable seeing them that way. I don't think so. Then why the hypocrisy. Is a relationship that important if one has to compromise on one's own principles?
@jennyze (7029)
• Indonesia
13 May 11
I guess life is a compromise anyway. Sometimes we have to loose or even chuck our own principal for a better relationship and for a better peace of mind.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
Life is a one big happy song if one is able to stick to one's principles!
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
12 May 11
Hi allknowing, In our state siblings can marry if they are children of sister and brother. There is a strict ‘no’ for brother’s children or sister’s children. Here the marriage is already over and what is the point of objecting. I can understand your point and I don’t know how their parents could accept this.
• India
12 May 11
Yes, I’m becoming sure of this now, after reading inputs from you and Vandana. Previously, I thought that it was only in the Abrahamic religions where marriage between first cousins was allowed. But now I see that in India too in many states, people approve of marriage between first cousins or between uncles and nieces.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
12 May 11
Sudipta, It is an old custom in our state among Hindus. Now the trend is changed and the cousin marriage occurs very rarely
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
Marriage between brothers' children is a no no and the lack of resistance only shows how indifferent one is these days. The entire family including uncles, aunts, cousins, et al show no signs of disappointment.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
12 May 11
This marriage between close first cousins is not advised by doctors but if the concerned individuals are unwilling to go by this standard advice , no one can help them. Perhaps , if they do not get children the risk is mitigated. Your choice of not attending the wedding is purely personal and I feel noone can object to it.
• India
12 May 11
Hi Kala, Yes, I know that genetic aberrations are more likely if the union is between first cousins. In fact, with my limited knowledge, I was once proud that we Hindus understood this long time back while the Abrahamic religions (which ratify first cousin marriages) obviously lack this scientific knowledge. However, as much as I see amongst the Christians (Muslims are more cloistered, so I know and see less of them), I don’t see genetically sick children or defective kids born from parents who are first cousins. Also, as much as I read here (though I did hear of this before, just couldn’t believe it)…it seems many Hindu communities in India, approve of marriages between first cousins or between uncles and nieces!!! So, where does that leave our science, Kala?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
12 May 11
Hindu communities did permit and some people still accept marriages between cousins [they should be a boy's son and his sister's daughter[the reason they quote is that the Gotra is not the same [people of same gotra cannot marry and normally they follow this up to 7 generations].However, here too I have heard a doctor strongly condemn marriages between cousins and he said that many of his Muslim patients had come to him with eye defects. Strangely, his daughter went against his wishes and married her first cousin. Science does its good work and produces results from statistics SUdipta. I know personally that whenever my niece [ a girl with special needs and also a terminal illness later on and now who is no more] was taken to the hospital the first question asked by doctors was whether he parents were related before marriage. FInally it is all in GOd's hands. But it is definitely advisable not to marry close cousins especially if they intend getting children.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
Even if the first child could look normal, its progeny will suffer for generations to come. You can see the Parsi community where these kind of marriages are rampant and one sees so many disabled children there. Apart from this the very thought of cousins going beyond like this only will make every one uncomfortable when they are left alone.
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• Philippines
16 May 11
You have every right to feel that way. It is really hard to compromise your values and principles in life. The thing that I'm sorry of is that nowadays, there are very few people who still have intact values. The media has something to do with the change in culture. Our society now is so well taken by the romantic stories, that they tend to patronize love stories that are against all odds. Real love should be guided by the right elements... love, trust, right values, and most of all... with the blessing from Him. If it is against the teachings of the Holy scriptures,then it is not right. Cheer up! At least there's you who still stick to right values and conducts.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
16 May 11
You have understood the situation perfectly well. But I am surviving with no support from anyone.
• Philippines
12 May 11
You will be able to accept it in time. Just don't force yourself then it might create a huge trouble. They already get married you have no reason to disagree anymore since it was already done. I know it's odd but let's just see how far they can compromise to love each other. What strikes me most with this kind of relationship is there future kids. I mean not all but at least one of their kids might suffer from mental retardation like trisomy 21. Cause they have at least same genes the fact that they are cousins. I've already encounter such issues about it.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
It is not just one of their kids but the progeny that will be affect and it is for this reason such marriages are considered illegal. But what baffles me is how the family could have accepted it so soon without batting an eyelid!
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
Please read it as 'that will be affected'
• India
13 May 11
u r right if u feel that marriage is wrong stay with the same openion , dont change ur openion becoz only that more people are against ur openion.bravely stick to ur openion if u feel it is right.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
16 May 11
There is more here than worrying about what will happen to their kids. It is the attitude of one parent who in fact encouraged it and then there is the indifference from every other member in the family so to say 'why should we bother. They are not our children'.These two were close to me and I still love them but I have decided that I will have nothing to do with them.
• India
12 May 11
Yes, to us too it’s a social taboo to marry close cousins… we are brought up to treat our cousins like our own brothers and sisters so if you are uncomfortable with the situation, then don’t compromise. However, what I feel is that they are adults too and only they will be responsible for the consequences of their actions. So even if I’ll never accept the marriage, I’ll not do anything either to break the marriage …or be extra rude and insulting to them. I’ll just avoid them as much as I can.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
I wonder at the indifferent attitude of those who really should be worried of the consequences. It is no longer safe to let cousins be on their own - an additional worry for the parents!
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
12 May 11
I agree with you that marriage between close siblings is unethical and wrong and should be avoided at all cost. However, if the boy and girl are adament and are not listening and others are not objecting or have not objected, you apparently do not have any choice. I mean you protesting this kind of relationship will not affect the concerned invididuals. You could be neutral.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
I am neutral in that I have nothing to do with them. There is plenty of fish in the ocean not just relatives these days that one needs to cling on to!
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
13 May 11
hi allknowing oh myg why do you feel that way as now I have my great grandparents who were first cousins and the R ichey from them on down' have been brilliant in all ways. I really do not think now days that thats frowned on so much.I have worked in finding my family tree on both sides my moms and my dad's and there were two instances of first cousins marrying and there was not a single one of them that were not just as intelligent as anyone else. no idiots, no feebleminded or retarded people at all.Of course this is your opinion and we must respect it as such but I was amazed to learn how you felt. Iknow it was once felt' taboo but I really have not seen it in my own family tree at all.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
It is the way this whole thing was handled.The indifference was suffocating! And no Hatley, marriage between Brothers' children is considered medically dangerous for their progeny.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
12 May 11
Hi. allknowing. So the two first cousins, that are your brother''s children got married? That is freaky and it is incest too. I respect your feelings because you was not happy about this kind of marriage. I can understand that you don't approve of what these two have done. This is your feelings and no one can't change it. You are honest and they will just have to accept how you feel. Not everyone will be so accepting of an marriage that has taken place between tow cousins. I know that I would not be, no disrespect. I will still love them, but I will won't be happy with what has been done here.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
What is baffling is that no one is bothered about it save poor me.This indifference is killing. I just cannot accept it and I have made that clear. They are not in my life any more and I prefer it that way. It is no longer safe to leave cousins to be on their own.
@gloryacam (5540)
• Philippines
12 May 11
That is just awkward! In our country, the marriage would not be valid. You can't marry relatives up to the third degree, so that would include a first cousin. However, I'm not sure if it's a crime. But, definitely, the marriage is illegal. I understand how you feel, because I would have felt the same way.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
It is not just the fact that they are now married but the way they got about it. No one would suspect them if they were left alone. They took advantage of the situation and actually hoodwinked all of us. I just cannot get over it. Parents would have to worry about letting cousins on their own in future.
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
12 May 11
It is not actually a crime to marry when you are first cousins. But it is not allowed by the church. Here in the Philippines, they will not let you marry in church. I have a cousin who elope with her first cousin. The family was so against them, that the two hid from all of them. After more than 5 years and them having 3 children already, they were looked for and was invited to live with the parents of my cousin. But, they were never married , because the church didn't allow them to. I understand your feeling about the situation specially that it seems everyone has accepted the situation except you. Someday, you will get over it.
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
I blame the mother of the girl and from what one sees she encouraged it it looks like now. What is not legal is considered a crime. It is too late now and I still do not feel comfortable accepting them.
@in212857 (67)
• India
12 May 11
well it depends upon community to community for example in Muslims it is exceptable to marry 1st cousins it is completely normal for them
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
Medically brothers' children marrying is not acceptable as it will affect their progeny apart from the moral aspect of it. It is no longer safe it seems to me to let cousins be on their own not knowing what they would be up to. Very sad.
12 May 11
Marrying your first cousin was seen as completely normal in Victorian society in England. In fact I believe there is one such case in my own family way back when. (A nightmare when it comes to genealogy!) It is still legal here but a little frowned upon. I've been reading all the comments from the various countries represented in mylot and it is interesting to see the similarities and differences in law. It seems that if there weren't laws people would marry whoever they wanted to, and hang the consequences!
@allknowing (130092)
• India
13 May 11
We are now in an era where these things matter It is frightening and 'why should I bother' kind of attitude is going to destroy this world. Sadly, this attitude is here to stay.