I don't like being threatened!!

@celticeagle (159318)
Boise, Idaho
June 25, 2012 6:40pm CST
So heres the thing......my daughter and I and my grandson have lived in these housing low income apartments for about a dozen years. We have seen alot of people come and go in here. We have made freinds and lost them when they moved on. Right now we have mostly foreigners in here and we are the minority. They are from Iraq, Afganistan, Africa, etc. Some are nice and we pass the time of day, they have even shared their cooking with us sometimes. It has been interesting. But they are not the best of neighbors. ALthough quiet and relatively loners they don't teach their kids good manners and they throw their wrappers down usually ending up in our yard so it looks trashy. When we have an appointment to get to I usually go out to the car and wait for my daughter and my grandson to come out becuase he usually takes awhile no matter how long you give him ahead of time. I get out there and the time goes away and I honk afew times out of frustration. Today one of the foreigners came over to my window and I rolled the window down. In broken English he told me someone sleeps during the day, works at night, and they will lodge a complaint if....? I guess because of my honking. (I have noticed them looking over at me when I hock before)(I don't know how my honking afew times maybe once or twice a week really hurts a day sleeper unless they are a very light sleeper.) So that is fine and I certainly don't mind being quiet and not honking BUT, what I have a problem with is being threatened. I would be alot more apt to be quiet and nicer about the entire thing if he didn't feel a need to threaten me with a complaint! So how would you feel? Am I being too sensitive or is could he have been nicer about the whole thing? Your thoughts.
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• United States
26 Jun 12
He could have been nicer, sure. Maybe he was up all night and he was irritated. I don't know. Personally, I would have walked up to the door of the person I was trying to pick up and knocked rather than honking from the street. I just don't think it's very courteous to the neighbors to honk from the street and I don't know that whoever's inside can hear me anyway. I think it's best that he told you before someone actually did call the police or cite a complaint.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
I had already come out to the car and was waiting for them to come along. If I was picking them up I may or may not have gone to the door. And it being during the late part of the day(4:30ish) I didn't see a problem. I wouldn't think there would be any reason for the police. Again I only do this once or twice one or two times a week. It's not like it is every day!
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
I think he has been waiting quite a long time to say something and so he was doubly frustrated about it.
• United States
26 Jun 12
Maybe he remembers you. lol Yeah, he could have probably made a polite request, but it's possible the language barrier was frustrating him, or maybe he was just plain being mean about it. It really isn't nice to make the first comment about it a threat, so I can totally see why that would make you irritated.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
26 Jun 12
I can understand how they feel.My husband works odd hours and it can get very difficult if someone shouts or has a noisy car.Although you cannot expect everyone to be quiet they live a normal life and it is not their fault.honking your horn is a bit off if someone is trying to sleep.They could have been kinder about it though don't worry.It sounds as though they are not used to nice people like you,maybe life has been horrible for them and are naturally aggresive please still talk to me.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
I fully understand the day sleeper thing. I really can. My problem is his attitude and threatening me.
@se7enthbird (8307)
• Philippines
26 Jun 12
Maybe what you did is quite irritating. But he does over react about this situation. I mean he could have just understand your reason. But since all of you live there, maybe you have to know what are the things that they don`t like because it might get worse. All i wanna say is you have done wrong and he has done wrong also. You both have to compromise as a neighbor in order for you to live comfortably. I mean this issue will probably not take a month right? Forgive and forget i guess
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
I still think he could have been more cordial.
@much2say (53945)
• Los Angeles, California
26 Jun 12
I do think there are nicer ways to state complaints - threats aren't necessary (unless it's a last resort kind of thing!). At the same time, I wouldn't appreciate any honking at the apartments - as a courtesy to everyone because we don't know what everyone's situation is. Some do sleep during the day, some (like me) have little ones that nap . . . we had a neighbor who's child had some kind of mental disorder and sometimes he would flip when he heard a loud noise like a car honk. I can understand you being frustrated, but car horns were not made to vent frustration as everyone has to hear it - and I know at our complex in particular, any sound carried throughout our long driveway, especially car honks. It may not seem to you like you're doing it a lot, but to someone who hears it from the same person/car each time, the focus is going to be on you. It's possible that the neighbor may have thought that others must surely have complained too (not to say they actually did) but the honking hasn't stopped, so he may have assumed he needed to be stiffer in his complaint. Yes, he could have been nicer about it, but me personally - and this is just me - this may have been his way of saying he was quite serious about it.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
Its one or two honks once or twice a week. I can't see where there is such a problem. If it was ever day over and over I could definitely see a problem. I think he could have handled it better. Even with a foreign language in the way.
• Canada
26 Jun 12
This touches on several issues. One is how much should people expect others to accommodate their peculiarities? I think most of us will accommodate the other person if what they want is "reasonable". The excuse for not allowing animals in most apartments is that some people are allergic but this seems unfair to other people and are animal allergies really that common? I've heard of cases where children in a school were told not to eat peanuts anywhere because a child at the school was allergic to them. I suspect that one factor in causing allergies is LACK of allergens. Therefore removing the allergens for the good of the allergy sufferer tends to cause more people to develop allergies and it's a vicious circle. What about people who put unofficial NO PARKING signs outside their homes? I suspect some people like to manipulate others and will complain about things for that reason. I once had a neighbor who complained about any noise we made at night, including flushing toilets. Unfortunately this was rented accommodation and our landlord sided with the crazy woman. I know a woman who had to be quickly removed from an Ultraorthodox Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem because her clothing was too revealing - she was about 60 at the time! Can't a day sleeper get ear plugs or an allergy sufferer get desensitized? A reasonable request may be the thin end of the wedge to gain an unreasonable level of control. It sounds as if a lot of your neighbors are Muslims. This religion is notoriously intolerant, sexist and violent and they try to take over. Your area doesn't sound that bad. There are places in France where only Muslims are allowed to go and anybody else gets beaten up and raped. The Muslims in my city have expressed a desire to build their own neighborhood (the present mayor is a Muslim but a very moderate one). In New York recently Muslims bought a house in the middle of a Jewish neighborhood which they want to use as a mosque, this looks like a deliberate way to intimidate Jews. There's the notorious "ground zero mosque". Perhaps this insisting on not honking your horn is the start of a series of increasingly less reasonable demands, something you should watch out for.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
Very interesting. THanks for your input.
• Valdosta, Georgia
26 Jun 12
I think he was rude. He could have said in his broken english can you please not honk because there is someone sleeping in here? That would have been a lot better and the respectful way of doing things. You cannot read someone's mind, you could not have known that there were people sleeping. And the looks mean nothing because people look at others all the time for many different reasons, again your not a mind reader. I don't think a threat was in order at all. Talking solves most problems between people more than threatening does. I would feel the same way you do...
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
I think he was rude too. I think that when anyone is asking another for something it is smart to be nice. Talking does solve alot of problems but when there is a language breakdown that can be a problem.
@GardenGerty (157645)
• United States
26 Jun 12
I think a polite request first would have been in order, but maybe the stares when you honk were supposed to tell you they wanted you to stop. It also may be that they have been in a situation in the past where the honker was not as reasonably minded as you are. I would say let it pass as you have to live there and do not want to be in constant hassle with them.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
Very true. But if there are any other dealings with this person they had best be cordial or I will say something.
@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
I wish that were the case. No honking that I heard. I am there all day!
• Canada
26 Jun 12
celticeagle, it's possible that you were the nth person to honk or make some loud noise that day so the man's anger was partly the fault of other people. A bit unfair but it's annoying when lots of people irritate you in short space of time, even if they're not connected.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
26 Jun 12
I think you are too sensitive, remember these are people from a different country, some of their ways are very different to ours. He did the right thing he came and told you before he called the police. I would have been nicer about it, but my son would have said the same thing to you and we are not foreigners.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
26 Jun 12
In fact I hate to say it but my son would have came out yelling and screaming if he was the one who was woken up out of his sleep all the time. He has a temper on him.
@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
I thank you for your honesty. I have always suffered from over sensitivity.
• United States
26 Jun 12
I was so glad to live in the country with no neighbors to disturb me for most of my working years. I would get frustrated and maybe scream to myself but not to anyone else.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Jun 12
I wouldnt have liked it but would probably just look and say ok didnt know that and seems like they have been taught o complain as they think we owe themsomething altho most I have met and taked to are very glad to be here and follow rules and not be trashy
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Jun 12
thats not right they speak broken English yet you arent the minority there grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
28 Jun 12
Ya, I just looked at him like he was totally weird and said, "Oookay". Them following rules has got me alittle paranoid around here. We are not the minority and they are being very compliant and good. If we do ANYTHING wrong we could get evicted. Makes me nervous.
@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
28 Jun 12
I meant to say we ARE NOW the minority. It stinks. There are probably three Americans in our corner down here in the three bedrooms. And that is out of about 19 apartments.
@ladybug565 (2216)
• United States
26 Jun 12
I think he could have been nice about it the truth is I have been a night worker and people just don't think about it. people would call me or visit or ask me to get up and do something at 10 am after I got home from work at 8am and I was like really? I allways felt like ok I will call you or come to your house at 3 am and see how you feel. however there were certain noises that go on durring the day that just cant be helped such as traffic or roadwork and I learned to sleep through that. I dont think anyone should be mean or threaten another person and if you live in an apartment complex they really cant tell you not to make noise durring the day. our complex had a noise curfew between 9pm and 7am, but other than that they didn't bother.
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• United States
26 Jun 12
I allways have done the same and I would be upset if someone threatened me. hope it works out for you.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
Thanks.
@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
We have a curfew here too. It is 10p. til 8a. and I am always respectful of that and make sure the kids are too. And, I agree, night workers are sort of over looked and not respected. I used to work nights too.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
26 Jun 12
He could have handled it without a threat..especially the first time he requested it. I am a lot easier to get along with if someone just states how they feel about something. I am more likely to respect their request if they present it to me in a certain manner.
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@marguicha (215648)
• Chile
26 Jun 12
I took care of reading the answers of your post as in each country is different. For instance, in my country they fine you if you honk your horn in the city. Maybe the police will accept explanations if by that means you did not run over someone. But using the honk as a way of calling anyone, no matter what the hour, is not done here. There are babies sleeping at different hours, sick and elderly people, night workers and so on. But, as I say, it is different in every place. I suppose it is difficult to explain what you want if you don´t know well a language. Maybe your neighbor wasn´t trying to be rude. Who knows! It seems that you don´t find them good neighbors because of their bad manners, but maybe they find your manners bad too. Probably the best way to solve this is to have a conversation with good will. In apartments where I live there are some neighbors who make reunions with the tennants so that they will live together without much problems. Sorry for my English, but it´s not my native language and it´s very late at night. Take care.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
I have heard there are fines in other countries. Not here in US. I have social anxiety so reunions with the other tenants isn't an option. I just feel he could have been more cordial.
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@ddaguno (3107)
• Philippines
26 Jun 12
sometimes foreigners sound rude because they are having a hard time expressing themselves. Instead of making small talk they probably resorted to threatening because they are more familiar with the words used in the 'threatening' sentence. That is what i think of whenever i encounter a rude foreigner. so instead of getting mad i take pity on them.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
I can understand what you are saying but I still think he could have been nicer and not threatened me. That bothered me.
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• United States
26 Jun 12
Hi CelticEagle! I used to work at night. Being a day sleeper, if anything woke me up I couldn't get back to sleep again. Then I would have to go to work without sleep for that day. Day sleep is not like night sleep. I was so glad to live in the country where I had no neighbors to disturb my sleep. When I lost my home due to divorce, I moved to a trailer park in a seedy part of town because I could no longer afford a quiet place to live. Neighbors mowing their grass or just talking outside would drive me insane because I couldn't sleep with that noise. I never turned anyone in though cause I knew I was sleeping in-normal hours. I chose to be a night worker. It's not right of me to force others to conform to my sleep habits. The above said, I think if people KNOW that a person us a day sleeper they will be more considerate. Being threatened won't help in aiding in consideration. You only did it a couple of times. I think that you would be more considerate knowing there is a day sleeper. The sleeper can get ear plugs or can create sone white noise that may help some. I would be expected to be quiet and consider people sleeping at night. I wouldn't blow my horn at 3 am, right? So I wouldn't like anyone blowing a horn at around 11am waking me up at my 3 am. I would probably put a sign in the windows and doors saying 'day sleeper'. I wouldn't call the law unless the honked was really mean spirited to me.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
Ya, I agree. If I had known their was a day sleeper I may of been using the horn less. ANd again, I was doing it once or twice probably two times a week. It wasn't like I was doing it repeatedly everyday. THere is rule in the complex that we are to be quiet during the hours of 10p. and 8a. and I always am respectful of that. I think I am a respectful person and if he would have something to me in a nice way I would trip all over myself to keep us all quiet for him. Really!
• Canada
26 Jun 12
PointlessQuestions, you say you choose to be a night worker. I suspect that many night workers are poor and do night work because they didn't have many job options.
• United States
27 Jun 12
Many people working days are also poor. Working nights usually affords people a little bit better pay... I did choose to work at night. I worked all shifts, and found that night time was my niche.. and it paid better too.. I made a dollar an hour more at night, because no one wants nights. It was good for me. Being a nurse at night was a good thing... working 12 hour shifts at night, was long and hard sometimes, but it was a good job. Working nights doesn't mean you are poor... we are all poor for that matter. I owned a house, but still wasn't comfortable.. why? Because I was doing it by myself! If you are working, you chose a certain job to work... whatever shift you work is the one you chose to keep working there. If they need you on nights, you choose to work nights or work somewhere else... no one forces us to take a job against our will.. at least not here in the states. Yes, you take what you can get, but you still make the choice to work that job or not. Graveyard shift isn't such a bad deal. I worked it for more than 20 years. The only bad thing was that my daughter didn't see much of me. She is grown now and understands that I had to make a sacrifice to provide for her when her father refused to step up and support his child in any way. I wasn't a victim to work nights... it was a privilege to have a job and to make decent money at it. Celtic.. I believe you are a very nice person... that's why I said if you knew you would have been more mindful of a day sleeper. You didn't know and the guy who said something was quite rude to you. The way I feel about it, is that if I'm working at night... that's my problem to deal with. I can't expect the world to stop because I work nights. Yes, I have been irritated and aggravated, but still, I don't have a right to force the world to stop and work according to my work schedule. I'm the one working abnormal hours, not them. It's my obligation to make my sleep time possible.. buying ear plugs is probably the best thing to do to shut out the noise of people talking near your window... that's irritating and drove me nuts in the trailer park... at home in my house that dad built and gave me was different... we had no neighbors. My mom always had a sign "Day Sleeper" or something like that.. and "No Soliciting" because salesmen would knock... so it is up to us to make our sleep environment better for us. I really enjoyed nights because it was a slower pace and paid much more a pay period.. I got $80 more every 2 weeks than the day person. I'm a very mindful person... so if I knew someone was a day sleeper, I would do my best to stay quiet. I lived at home with my dad growing up... he never went to bed in all the years of my growing up. He worked two jobs... he just napped between them on the couch and got up and made his day on each job and then came home to nap and then get up to do it all over again. He didn't complain... except when we made too much noise... it was bad for me cause I couldn't watch my cartoons when he was laying on the couch.. it would keep him awake. So I appreciate day sleepers and what they go through... but I think we have to make it work for us the best we can without making other people miserable in the process.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
27 Jun 12
Personally depending on the time of day that you were honking, it can be a nuisance. I get upset when the School Bus driver honks for the girl next door at like 6:30 a.m. on school days. Personally I would not let it bother you, and just move on. Remember that there are people trying to sleep next time, and try other ways to get your kids moving. Just my thoughts as personally it is not worth it try and drum up any trouble with your neighbors.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
28 Jun 12
Oh, I certainly don't want any trouble. I just think he could of been nicer. I don't like being threatened when someone is asking me to do something for them.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jun 12
celticeagle oh please do not get mad at me, bu t ther in Garden grove there are ordinances against car honking at certain times and they do enforce it.but I hate someone threatening me just as you say with a complaint and too so many managers use complaints as a way to evict one for just breathing to hard if they get complaints.I would hate that. yes he could have been more diplomatic and just approached it as something between two neighbor residents. really when I am trying to sleep honking does irritate me, but why could he have kept it between you and him.He should have talked to you and reconciled his problem with you .not go whining to the manager.we got evicted they claimed because we , my son, made noises in the late night that kept the lady downstairs awake.so my son first got carpets and put under his rolling desk chair, and when they still complained, he got a brand new chair and still she complained. we got evicted and it was all a set up,. the manager wanted to get an empty apartment for her ailing mo ther and we were the target., the m an next door had overheard this conversations and told my son we had been set up.my son told the two ladies who owned the apartment complex and she gave us back our deposit and last months rent but refused to tear up the eviction. complaints to the manager can get one in so mu ch trouble and often theres little to nothing behind them.
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Jun 12
I REALLLLy don't have a problem with the honking situation. It is his attitude and the way in which he ask me. THreatening someone is not a good way to get ME to do ANYTHING. It just makes me mad and I want to go honk my horn daily several times. I am rather nervous around here anymore anyway. These foreigners are all very quiet and keep to them selves. Never a problem. If my family does anything wrong I am afraid we will be kicked out of here. We are now the minority. I am sorry to hear of your eviction. That is what I am up against here. There are so many rules and I really think housing likes having these people here. They are easier to get along with and have around than Americans.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
25 Jun 12
SORRY, but someone honking the horn gets on my last nerve. I can see where he was coming from because i am a light sleeper myself.Do u think that speeds them up for u to do that??
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
Alittle. THis has caused me to rethink my actions. It probably gets irritating for the kids too.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
26 Jun 12
That is crazy! I would not want to mess with someone like that! He was totally out of line! You are not being sensitive! You should be filing a complaint against him not the other way around! He sounds like a real jerk and if he threatens you again go and file a complaint! Noboby should have to put up wuth that!
@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
And, like I had said previously, there is a rule in the complex that we are to be quiet during the hours of 10p and 8a. and I am always quiet during that time and make sure the kids are as well. I don't mind changing my way of doing things if someone is polite and nice when they ask me.
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@bjc66bjc (6730)
• United States
26 Jun 12
All I know is that these taxi drivers will drive right up to my window and just lay on the horn. I just think that is just so disrespectful...I mean lay on the horn...not just a beep... and it wasn't until people from another country moved upstairs that this started happening...after being here over 20 years.. I know you can't control others but some people just don't care about anything. I wouldn't worry about them, let then complain especially if its daylight outside..Unless there is a sign posted "no horn blowing"...whst can the authorities do, probably nothing. Now I have no problem with the normal horn blowing but these jackazzs lay on the horn, then when I go to the window they apologize... Good luck with your situtation....
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@celticeagle (159318)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jun 12
it isn't like I do this all the time or off hours. THere is a rule that we are supposed to be quiet between the hours of 10p and 8a. and I have always done that and made the kids abide by it. But this is like two times a week. If I was a light sleeper I could really understand it. Being a deep sleeper i guess I don't so much.