Twisted Religions...

United States
November 10, 2012 6:24pm CST
Through out the History of Christianity it has taken beliefs of other religions, twisted them to work with Christianity to pull in people from the original religion. This has been one of my main interests since I was young. Recently I have begun pulling back in some of my own Gaelic traditions, or making them more traditional from where Christianity has taken it. My mother also finds it interesting but is worried I will "revert" to being a Wiccan. She can see us (my cousin too is with me on this) going down that road. Now we do not see how being more Wiccan with Christianity mixed in is worse then being Christian with Wiccan mixed in?
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
11 Nov 12
Religion is one of my big interests. I have studied many of them but I am an expert in none of them. Many years back, I developed an interest in Wicca and did study it. I met witches and lived with them and learned from them. Wicca is one of the very early religions. Some witches that I met referred to it as The Old Religion. Christianity has borrowed from Wicca. Probably so has other religions but most especially Christianity. Society has also borrowed from Wicca. I may be wrong here but I believe that The Virgin Mary is based on The White Goddess of the witches. Were you raised a Christian? A Catholic? And are you going back to the Old Religion? What is the concern of your mother? It is a simple and beautiful religion, one of the original ones and early ones. The witches were simple persons who did little harm to others. That is not true of what others did to them.
• United States
11 Nov 12
The White Goddess is one of the deities worshiped by modern day witches. It is believed by some that in ancient times, she was Diana, one of the goddesses that the ancients worshiped or adored. Robert Graves has written a book titled The White Goddess about modern day witchcraft. Early Wicca or Paganism existed long before Christianity. Some believe that the Virgin Mary was based on Diana or The White Goddess. I suggest that you do a search on the White Goddess or Robert Graves for more information.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
11 Nov 12
I searched because i want to understand how it works. I mean what makes some people to take some info as true and reject others. I understand that some believe these things.But there are no facts, there are no historical records, there is nothing to support such a thing.Only the claim that christianity has stolen a lot of things from the "old religion " invented in the last 200 years Sure there were other religions before christianity.If you want to call them pagans then yes everyone was a pagan. But modern wiccan and pagans have nothing in common with what happened back then.So the ones who steal the most from the early pagans are modern day pagans.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
11 Nov 12
Who is the white goddess ? How can christians steal something invented 19 centuries later ?
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
11 Nov 12
Actually, it was the Catholic Church that incorporated some of the pagan holidays into Christian holidays, in order to make it easier to convert people. The Catholic Church is not all of Christianity. But true Christianity, as in the worship of Christ, doesn't actually have any holidays, and any that people celebrate are simply a matter of tradition and not taught in the Bible. The only holy days in the Bible are the feasts, and Christ kept only Jewish traditional holy days. Christ told us to follow Him, and nothing and no one else. That's an unadulterated religion.
• United States
11 Nov 12
It happened well before the Catholics started. Noah and the flood was Mesopotamian, Sunday worship was actually Roman/Iranian Pagan while Baptism was a Greek ritual. Roman Saturnalia was a winter solstice celebration and many of Our Christmas traditions such as decking the halls with greenery where incorporated from it though the celebration it's self is almost forgotten. The Catholic church perfected it at one time. Put a link in the above post that has a small go over.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
11 Nov 12
Well, the traditions you cite as being incorporated into Christmas is exactly what I was talking about. Of course the pagan traditions preceded Christ, but it doesn't mean they are indicative of Christianity even being about Christmas as a holiday. In Jeremiah, God says the pagan goes out and decorates a tree with gold and silver and tells His people NOT to do as the heathen does. Yes, there are "Christian" holidays with other pagan traditions incorporated into them. That doesn't meant those holy days sprung from the other traditions, even though they preceded them. "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." That was hundreds of years before Christ. However, Christianity is the recognition of Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God and The Way, The Truth and The Light. Anything other than Jesus is not Christianity. If He is THE way, then all other ways are false. You can't mix up anything with that, not trees or anything else. Anything other than Jesus is not Christianity. Even if trees are part of Christmas, which was an invented holy day. Although there is nothing wrong with having either a day to celebrate Christ's birth or even a day just to give presents. Neither though, is part of the actual teaching of Christianity. As for other traditions of a flood, it is only reasonable that an event of that magnitude would find its way into other cultural histories. After all, we are to believe it was catastrophic, covering at least the known world. And archaeologists have never found evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia that would be of the magnitude necessary to make it the basis for the Biblical flood story of Noah. These attempts to equate other myths and legends with the Bible are the attempts of those seeking to discredit the Bible, are often cited but without hard evidence.
• United States
12 Nov 12
Um it is the archaeologists that have told us that the flood in Mesopotamia happened. As for trees that is one tradition brought in by the Germans in the Victorian era Lutherans in fact not catholics. Christians trying to bring in the Romans used the traditions of Mithra to help bring in the Romans pagens these Christians where the people who became catholics, they where not catholic to begin with.
@AmbiePam (85660)
• United States
11 Nov 12
I don't think you can put any Wiccan beliefs or practices in and still be practicing Christianity in the first place. One may think they can, but other than how holidays have come to mix with each other, there are no other ways I would say would be considered similar.
• United States
12 Nov 12
It is funny to hear that. Christians are very brain washed to believe they are the only religion and the best when in fact they are an off branch, radical separatists of an original religion. At one time Christian, Jews and Muslims where one religion an old religion so to say. These Hebrews where split by one thing a disagreement of when. The Hebrews celebrated a winter solstice as well as a harvest celebration and spring very much the same way the Wiccans, Egyptians and hundreds of other cultures did. They ALL happened before the Three relgions branched off so to say that by celebrating a "holiday" (a modern word) that was celebrated by, lets call it the "mother" religion is wrong makes me laugh.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Nov 12
Christianity is older than Islam. Christ came before Mohammed. Prior to Mohammed, there was a multi-deity religion amongst Arabs. Allah was one of many deities, and had daughters according to tradition. Christ lived 2000 years ago, Mohammed wrote the Koran just 1400 years ago.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
12 Nov 12
Rollo1 Do you want to say that Allah was one of idols worshiped by Arabs before Muhammad?
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
11 Nov 12
So this wiccan thing was the original religion ?
• United States
12 Nov 12
An original version of Wicca was formed in The Celtic areas of what is known now as Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Of coarse there is no one original religion as there is no original peoples who had a religion. All the findings of the origins of man leave religious cultures starting well after humans became "modern" in form. As for those who do not believe in Evolution they have a very skewed version that Adam and Eve are the first Christians but to that I say they never knew of Jesus, they where not Christians but ancestors of.
• United States
11 Nov 12
I don't know that there was an "original" religion. People came up with lots of different explanations to things they didn't understand and tried to manipulate them to achieve the desired results. Can you imagine living in such a world with changing weather patterns, wild animals, etc. and no explanation of them? It'd be a very frightening place! People tried to make the water fall when they needed it to, the sun shine when they needed it, etc. I think that Zoroastrianism is one of the original "major" religions. A lot of the traditions in the monotheistic religions come from this.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
11 Nov 12
Entered Paul in Christian beliefs of many pagan beliefs , Buddhism , Hinduism and old Romanian religion , Legend son of God who was born to a virgin without a father I believe that she born him without a father , this is a miracle from God ), as well as worship of this born , raised to the rank of God , the Trinity, rucifixion and resurrection three days after , found in these religions, and other beliefs that entered on Christianity and religion Christ real innocent from it . http://youtu.be/0jHVDEwdDQg http://youtu.be/wFSSmaRpr00
• United States
11 Nov 12
The great flood of Noah also is in many of the Middle eastern religions.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
11 Nov 12
Yes , the story of flood of Noah mintioned in Quran in many Surats .
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• United States
11 Nov 12
Definitely this question will depend on who you talk to. I think you should do what seems natural and right for you. However, I am not very informed about Wiccan and Gaelic traditions. Would you mind sharing a few of the Gaelic traditions that you practice?
• United States
11 Nov 12
All Hallows Eve /All Saints Day is actually The Wiccan New Year. Christmas was combined with the Winter Solstice as Easter was with the Spring. There are others. This site gives a small overview if you like.. http://relijournal.com/christianity/borrowed-pagan-traditions-of-christianity/
• United States
11 Nov 12
Thanks! I hadn't seen this whole list before. Some of them are quite obvious, like the Easter bunny and December 25. On my own, I decided that it makes sense to celebrate truly special days in nature such as Winter solstice, summer solstice, spring equinox, and fall equinox.
• United States
12 Nov 12
No problem like I said it is a small overview but there are a lot more.
@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
20 Nov 12
Christians are very-immature about names. I think when Jesus said "name" (as in "If you ask these things in my Name"), He meant something more-like 'in my family-tradition.' If I'm praying while I happen to be in front of a statue, symbol or painting of another religion, and a Christian friend exclaims, "What're you doing, praying to that demon!" I reply 'I know you are, but what am I?' I might just as well ask why they celebrate Jesus' birthday on Saturnalia (rather than on June 23-or-so when it actually was).
• United States
22 Nov 12
Yes but it was convenient to mix the traditions..lol you make my point well.