Higher Education

@AmbiePam (85730)
United States
January 5, 2018 11:07pm CST
You know how you hear people get excited about being the first person in their family to graduate college? Well, I am the opposite. I am the only one in my immediate family to NOT graduate college. First, some of the most intelligent people I know are not college graduates. My BIL is a few credits short of his Bachelor's, and he is borderline rich. He has no degree. My late great grandfather had an 8th grade education, and was a real estate wiz. It's a good thing because all his money ended up going to care for my very sick great grandmother. Anyway, I started college at sixteen, but after a car accident at 18, I was in and out of college because of my poor health. My older sister got her Bachelor's at 18 (she too started college at 16), and her Master's degree at twenty-one. I remember how excited she was when she paid off her student loans! My dad got his Bachelor's degree in his twenties while working full time, while my mother finished her Bachelors degree in her early thirties. What was cool to me was that they both got their Master's degree at the same time, in their early forties, at the same school (they even had a class together). I really admired them for working, and going to school. They had to take out student loans, of course. My late mother would happily have kept going to school, I think. Her last years before dementia gripped her (she started getting symptoms at 46) she taught at the college I had previously attended. I even had the privilege of taking one of her classes! She loved teaching, and she loved learning. To me, school was about getting a degree to get a good job. My professors tried to get me to go into psychology, but I tend to take on people's problems as my own. I just can't separate myself. Did you like school? Would you go back if you could? I know money is often a huge obstacle. Do you remember decades ago all they said you needed was a high school degree, then later just a Bachelor's. Now, for a great job you almost need a Master's degree!
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@TheHorse (206886)
• Walnut Creek, California
6 Jan 18
I use things I learned in college and graduate school in everything I do. I don't care about money. I have made enough of that. I care about having a rich intellectual life.
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• Philippines
6 Jan 18
did you not start college early too?
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I just want to be able to pay my bills! That's all I could ask for.
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@TheHorse (206886)
• Walnut Creek, California
6 Jan 18
@hereandthere I did. How could you tell?
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@jstory07 (134740)
• Roseburg, Oregon
6 Jan 18
Some people are self taught and they have businesses that make millions of dollars. But I think all people need an education to make it in this world.
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• Philippines
6 Jan 18
i agree. some people have innate intelligence or business sense etc. but i think everyone deserves a chance to be taught to at least read, write, and basic math (add, subtract, divide, multiply)
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@much2say (53942)
• Los Angeles, California
6 Jan 18
Knowing what I know now, I would have tried harder in school back then. I think I would appreciate "learning" now more than ever, but yes, time and money would be a big factor. I know several people who did pretty well for themselves without a college degree.
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• Philippines
6 Jan 18
i wish i exerted more effort, too, had i known i could save my parents some tuition
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@much2say (53942)
• Los Angeles, California
6 Jan 18
@hereandthere I worked a lot and was able to pay for my own tuition . . . but looking back, I should have worked less and actually concentrated on school.
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@Juliaacv (48468)
• Canada
6 Jan 18
You're wise beyond any degrees Ambie. Wise to realize that you don't need a degree to succeed, you need the will to work hard and to stay focused. I find that a lot of people need education to obtain that. I got what I needed in college, and then when technology really went ahead I returned to school to retrain so that I could be a part of that-learning all that I could regarding computerized office procedures. I did learn that it was growing in leaps and bounds, another version with significant changes would be out before I'd finish a course, so I took a job working in the office of a college. I was able to take all of the courses that I wanted at a reduced fee and even got to beta test a couple of the courses. It took me from the pre-windows computer program environments thru to the intro of windows '95, which is similar to what we run today including the office and accounting software.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
You are a smart cookie! I would definitely have to go back and take classes to catch up on all the new programs for computers now. Most of the time I worked, it was in an office setting.
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@LadyDuck (459629)
• Switzerland
6 Jan 18
What you call Beachelor's degree is called "Laurea" in Italy, where I studied, I also was 18 when I got it and the Master's degree at 20.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
And is a Ph. D here a Ph. D also where you are?
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@LadyDuck (459629)
• Switzerland
6 Jan 18
@shshiju In Italy some faculties require more years than others, doctors finish the University at 25.
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@shshiju (10342)
• Cochin, India
6 Jan 18
Here in Indian in 15th year we are in 10th standard called SSLC(Secondary School Leaving Certificate) in 17 the Year called +2 or PreDegree In 20th Year We would Finish our Bachelors Degree And 22 Years We would finish the Masters Degree
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@JustBhem (70555)
• Davao, Philippines
6 Jan 18
Here in our country, they prefer a college a graduate. But most of the people especially in the lower class find job after High School that they tend not to attend college because they know how to make a living.
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@snowy22315 (170724)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I liked college a great deal, but it is the person not really the degree that makes you successful. I mean college opens the door many times but you have to make the right decisions along the way.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
And you have to have a lot of determination. I'm sure it sounds like a good idea sometimes to quit.
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@snowy22315 (170724)
• United States
6 Jan 18
@AmbiePam I never seriously entertained the idea of quitting..but plenty do. I remember when I first started the local branch campus a quarter of my graduating class was there. They called it Erie County HS...because it was so popular with new HS graduates..I bet only like 5 percent of us actually graduated from college. Every semester there were fewer.
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@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
7 Jan 18
I went back and got an Associate's degree, but I don't use it. I should have gone for business management or something useful, instead I went for medical administration and hated parts of it, and you can't get a job in that field without experience. I guess I'm okay where I am, I have a good job that pays fairly well. I still don't know what career I'd really want to have if I had the choice, so I guess there's a reason I never really went to school.
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@GardenGerty (157710)
• United States
17 Jan 18
@katsmeow1213 you sound like me. I have had all kinds of jobs. None related to my college classes, unless you count the Allied Health. I specifically got certificates as a Nurses' Aid and a Medication Aid. One of my jobs sent me for certification as Social Services Designee and Activity Director. My school related jobs and my jobs with the adult disabled had and have tons of continuing education. I am almost sixty five and still do not know what I want to do other than be a mom or grandma.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
10 Jan 18
So you are pretty happy with your current job?
• United States
11 Jan 18
@AmbiePam I guess I'm as happy as I can be. I mean the company is a good one to work for. I'm not sure that I love what I do, but I've had worse jobs.
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@sjvg1976 (41131)
• Delhi, India
6 Jan 18
I have a bachelor's degree in engineering. But what I feel is no degree is required to earn money. Education just make you civilized. Professional courses do help.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
That's an impressive degree.
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@Tampa_girl7 (49152)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I do love learning and have thought about going back
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
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@Srbageldog (7716)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I have two Associate degrees, one in English and one in Early Childhood Education. I was two classes shy of transferring to a university when I gave up on pursuing a higher education. Life just got in the way, and I don't drive and we don't have a university here locally, which would make it difficult to get to and from school. I honestly don't see a point to going to college anymore. Most of the people I know who are doing okay didn't go to college, and then I know people who went to college and have a huge amount of student loan debt...and they're still working the same crappy jobs that those of us without a college education are working. My brother got his Master's degree in mathematics and the only job he could get around here was delivering pizza for Pizza Hut, then a part time job as an elementary school tutor. (He's finally gotten a better job, but it's not in the field he intended to work in -- he had to go back and get certified in accounting. And he's still got all that debt!) One of my friends didn't even graduate high school and he's always getting hired in management positions. A degree will only take you so far. You still have to have connections, an outgoing personality, and also have luck on your side. Otherwise you could have a PhD and still wind up working at Walmart!
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I think people born naturally smart are the luckiest. You get the feeling that even if they only finished high school they will go far in whatever they pursue, you know? And a smart, outgoing personality (like you said) will get you really far.
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@just4him (307644)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
6 Jan 18
I do love school and wouldn't mind going back if I could get the financial aid to do so. I tried a few years ago to go back, but was denied financial aid because I had already used it. Oh well. I refuse to get a student loan. I was on the bus one day and a woman asked me if I had been to college. I told her no. She told me if I ever did not to get a student loan. I took her advice. Financial aid doesn't need to be paid back.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
Student loans are killer, especially in this day and age. You can pay them off, like my family has done, but it takes so long. I got a Pell grant, and I know my sister did too. So that helps. My mom actually had a little student loan left, but when she was diagnosed with dementia we found out permanently disabled people's student loans are forgiven (I am not labeled permanently disabled).
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
8 Jan 18
@just4him Correct.You don't have to pay them back. That would be cool if you could get one.
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@just4him (307644)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
7 Jan 18
@AmbiePam I'm glad hers was forgiven. I hope you can get yours paid off. Grants don't need to be paid back, right?
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@renicemae (4883)
• Philippines
6 Jan 18
Yeah! Education now is very crucial in determining your success in life. But sometimes, people's attitude is also a big contributing factor.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
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• Trinidad And Tobago
24 Jan 18
Intelligence and schooling are not necessarily the same thing. But society places a lot of emphasis on First Degrees or Master's. I started my master's but withdraw after 2 semester. I have no desire to go back and complete it anymore. But I do think that people should strive to be as highly educated as they can because it is preparation that can help secure a good job as opposed to just choosing to be a hooligan and a criminal. I hate seeing good potentials wasted.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
24 Jan 18
Very true.
@GardenGerty (157710)
• United States
17 Jan 18
I have an Associates Degree and lots of hours that would count toward something else. At one point I was enrolled in a one night a week program to finish my Bachelor's in Ministry. However that same month or the next, I met my husband, and got a job that intrigued and stimulated me. It was just too much. I love going to school and I have, since marriage, gone to some Allied Health Classes, which counted for college. I believe I have a total of 74 credit hours. It is the learning I love though.
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@cttolledo (5460)
• Legaspi, Philippines
11 Jan 18
I love going to school, I like the classroom environment, there's so much new learnings I can get in the classroom.
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@silvermist (19702)
• India
19 Jan 18
I graduated just before my 20 th birthday. Just one year after my post graduate course I got my job.So did not Complete it.
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
11 Jan 18
I loved school up until my last college class. I have an associates degree which I got in my 30s. But I went back to take an art history class and the teacher spent more time flirting with the young girl who sat behind me and he didn't like Albrecht Durer so he gave me a hard time about choosing him for my paper. What an idiot he was, honestly I think I know more about art than him and I have seen many of Durer's works and he is called the Leonardo of the North for a good reason. It turned me off school. I still learn but I don't need to attend classes to do that. And my brother and three of my cousins are all millionaires and they have no more than high school educations and in my brother's case a GED. Business smarts don't necessarily come from book learning.
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@cahaya1983 (11120)
• Malaysia
11 Jan 18
I loved my college years, and if I could go back I would, except that I would probably choose a different field of study. I don't believe that having a degree is everything but I'm thankful that I got to learn what I learned back then.
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• Philippines
6 Jan 18
in our country, being a college/master/doctorate graduate is of great advantage and education for us filipinos is very important.
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@AmbiePam (85730)
• United States
6 Jan 18
I imagine so.