Are atheist never heard of the Bible that they keep being one??

@edujccz (929)
Philippines
January 28, 2007 9:11pm CST
I felt an interest posting this question after I was given a good answer from mylot friend around. Do Atheist have knowledge on the Bible or other religion but keep on being an Atheist. Is it pride or race that they dont accept there is a God? Kindly comment on this simple curiosity....
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@misskatonic (3730)
• United States
29 Jan 07
Do you believe everything you read? And I mean that seriously. To people who's faith isn't based on the Bible, the Bible is just a book. It's just words on paper. Without a belief and without faith, the Bible is meaningless. An Atheist doesn't have belief, and therefor the Bible is just a nice collection of stories and bits of history to them. Everyone comes to their belies a different way. I mean, I'm a Christian and the Bible doesn't mean much to me. It wasn't the Bible that brought me to my faith, it was a lot of soul searching and personal introspection.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
Thank you for your response ,good points you gave here.
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• United States
6 Feb 07
I would have to agree with misskatonic. People who do not believe in God just don't know or feels he exist. Some want actual scientific proof. Other could have that scientific proof smack them on the head and still not think that there is a God. I can understand some of their postitions...however I strongly believe in God - and I am not a Christian.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
6 Feb 07
I like your comment, that is important is you believe in God. I rate you high for that.
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@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
29 Jan 07
Most atheists know thebible better than most people who claim to be religious. Atheists just don't need some mythincal sky being to take credit for their accomplishments and theblame for their mistakes. You keep saying man was made by god, yet the opposite is true, men made god, as a means to get others to do what tey want. If Moses had come down off that mountain and said, Hey, guys, I thought for a while when I was up there and then wrote down these lawsI expect you to follow, His tribes would have probably told him rudely where to stick his tablets, but He came off the mountain and said Hey, guys, while I was up on that mountain the one true God spoke to me and he gave me these laws for us to follow. These people had been in Egypt with lost ofgods and knew what happened when you didn't follow the rules, you got killed. We don't need a god to behave any more, yet fools still believe because their parents told them to
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
Really my curiosity are being answered, now my learning of an atheist is improved. This is just a matter of discussion and the most important thing is we remain friends, i dont argue you with your interpretation of the bible. Coz i dont interpret it myself I just want to learn from you and thank you very much again.
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@mansha (6301)
• India
30 Jan 07
I agree with judy, God is man's creation to teach men about being civilised. An Atheist knows and understands religion much better than what believers know. Know the context and history of the times when bible or any of the other scriptures were written. Peope were barbaric towards weak in the society, lepers, poor, women and children. Man was an animal and fittest of the survival was the order of the day, These people our prophetrs took up on themselves this huge task to control the basic instincts in the man and teach him to be kind and giving and tolerant. Believe in God if it fills you with hope and strength but know your religion first and know why it was written and when. Jesus was a great amn who embraced lepers and spoke for the poor and trodden and oppressed. Non beleivers in no way wish to diminsh him, its just that respect the man for how great he was and not because some priest or your parents told you so.
• Belgium
5 Feb 07
Exactly, mansha, usually those who actually had the RIGHT to choose their religion go off to being an atheist. Notice how everyone else here was most likely forced into believing and claim it's 'faith.' If you're contacting God then I suggest you go see a doctor. I don't want to start provoking people here but from the education I had it just seems like common sense that God does not exist. There are a variety of religions with a variety of Gods, how can ONE God be the real God? If we look back in time we clearly see that religions were INVENTED to control society. People back then were quite naive and even barbaric. Honestly, I find it quite strange anyone could believe in God.
@g_aileen09 (1354)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
Atheists that DO NOT believe in God or in Religion are the groups of atheists that we commonly have heard about. If somebody says... "I don't belive in God"... its synonymous with one's words when he says "I don't belive in Love"...etc. where... there is indirect admission that "God" exists, but that they do not believe in it. Another form of atheism...and this, i believe is atheism in the truest sense of the word: it is in NOT BELIEVING IN THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. They do not believe that any god exists. Not believing in a god is different from believing that gods does not exist.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
Thank you for your comment , but I met someone and she is very good person. I have friends of different religion and what is important to me is ,they are my friends
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
Right. In friendship, what we believe in is not important, but rather on how we respect each other's views and beliefs. I'm happy to be your friend :)
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• United States
29 Jan 07
It's easy to split hairs, aileen, but for all practical purposes, when most people say that they don't believe in god, it's exactly the same thing is saying that gods don't exist. You may think that there's only one proper way to say it, but that doesn't change anything. We all tend to be somewhat sloppy in how we use language, and I'm sure if you asked most atheists what they meant by not believing in god, you would learn that they mean that gods do not exist. That certainly doesn't give anyone the license to set up artificial definitions to suit their own purposes, which is what the religious tend to do when they can't come up with better arguments in support of their beliefs.
• Dallas, Texas
30 Jan 07
Many atheist have more knowledge of the Bible that many "true Christians" You have to be pretty well versed in the bible to understand the many contradictions in it. Who ever made us or however we got here - made us to question - I think it is good to question - That is how one "Knows thy Self!" As long as you wake up everyday trying to make this earth a better place to live on - You all good in my book - rather you are atheist, Islam, Christian, Buddhist, etc..... I do have a problem with people who say that if you are not like me or think like me then you will go to hell - I think that is the devil pr negative energies speaking through them. But that is just my opinion!
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
31 Jan 07
I like your point and myself a so called christian tend to abhor it. But I do not question who ever preach it and i simply listen, for they are just human. For example, there are priest in our community accused of having a relationship with a woman which is a mortal sin for the catholic and the community will then ostrazise him for his misdeed. Others will critizise the church. Well, different people recieved the problem differently. the priest is still a person with free will that anytime can commit sin and its natural. But this is not the basis of me changing faith. It is God the father and his son Jesus is I adore, not the priest, not the church, not hte bible. For this things are only element or instrument to it. Your faithfulness to God should remain. Thank you again for your inputs. and God bless you
@Springlady (4011)
• United States
29 Jan 07
They don't want to believe in God because they want to keep living in sin. If they chose to believe in Him, then they would have to give up certain things in their lives that are not pleasing to God and they don't want to do that. They just make up their minds that there is no God. They are in for the shock of all eternity! God will show up! How foolish it is to say "there is no God"! Another thing...Satan is smarter than the atheist because even he knows that there is a God!
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@jricbt (1455)
• Brazil
29 Jan 07
Many problems with your post. First , many atheists doesn´t believe that there is any god and don't need a god to tell them what is right. For sin I understand making wrong actions. That is not the case, you are generalizing, I am an atheist and I do not commit crimes, you don't know ALL the atheists and cannot tell it about ALL of them. Second, many atheists were believers once, that is my case, but reasoning led them to disbelief in the existence of any gods, it is a rational process. I pretty much live the same life I used to when I believed, didn't have to gave up one single thing. Another thing, every single evidence to support the existence of god , that I saw until today, and I do not claim to have saw all, was a matter of faith or had another explanation. Still waiting evidence to support god´s existence. Until there, the bible is just another mythological book. If you are so sure about your God, prove it. Last, I read the bible, all of it, many times, as believer and non-believer, and reading the bible was one of the key elements that lead me to atheism. Good luck to you and have a nice day (or night, don't know on which timezone you are).
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• United States
29 Jan 07
If you are so sure that God does not exist, YOU prove that. I don't know what happened in your life to make you angry at God, but the worst possible thing you can ever do is to turn your back on Him. There will come a day when you will see Him face to face and that day will be too late. Don't let it be too late for you! God loves you still and wants you to know Him. God be with you.
• United States
30 Jan 07
Umm. jricbt is right. It has nothing to do with saying there is no god just so one can live in sin. Just because one is an athiest doesn't mean they lack moral values and commit the sins listed off in the Bible. Oh wait, I guess if you count not believing in a Christian mythological being as a sin then they do sin and Springlady is right... This is so confusing. : ) And who says that those that claim to believe in gods give up their bad ways? There have been plenty of people do some really terrible things in the name of a god (christian god and others).
@RAMONES (537)
• Belgium
29 Jan 07
I have been reading and studying a lot of religious books, like the Bible, the Koran, etc. I have even read the less popular or known books like Mormon, Baghwan, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology and so on... The only thing that is always coming back is the same thing : believe me or you will be punished! Believe me because I am the only true one and all the others are wrong. Every "God" claims to be the only true one, and their preachers claim to offer the only "right" way. As the great Karl Marx once stated : "Religion is opium for the people". I realised long time ago that their only after your money. The Vatican in Rome owns tons of gold, art, wealth and money that could help to solve poverty in a big part of the world, and yet they just sit on it and ask their believers even to give more ... And that goes for mostly all religions. Religion is the cause of 99 % of all wars and battles, so I'm happy to be an atheist ! I follow my conscience and believe me : I do no wrong to others and have a good night's sleep ... God is just another idol.
• United States
29 Jan 07
God is a loving God. He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die in your place on a very cruel cross. Jesus was totally sinless and was willing to make the Ultimate Sacrifice for and for me. If you read the Bible, it tells of God's love for us. It tells of God's awesome promises that He has made and has kept. A true Christian would not want your money for their own selfish desires. And God is not responsible for wars, we are. We choose to hate, to be greedy and proud. Jesus taught us to be loving, forgiving and humble. God will have the very Final Say as He is in control at all times, no matter how chaotic and crazy things may be. I'm so glad that I know Jesus as my Lord and Savior! He's so good to me!
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• United States
30 Jan 07
Ramones, I did pretty much the same in my own quest to learn about religions. I didn't read the JW or Scientology texts though. I was more of a fan of reading up on more "traditional" mythologies, like the older polytheistic stuffs. At least the Vatican doesn't sell bones and other relics anymore. : ) Not to be rude Springlady, but you should brush up on your Old Testament. It tells of armies attacking others at the order of the Judeo-Christian diety (and killing all the children of those they conquered other than the virginal female children which were divided up amongst the soldiers)...
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
As a grown up man I did myself reading of the many books you mention. I myself have heard of salvation and only true God, If you listen to all this is so confusing so I listen to my heart. I believe in God but you are far more better than me for I commited lots of sinful ways. In your life you will encounter many question but the ansswer is mostly you dont know. Our only difference is my belief in Him who created me, an Almigthy One Who knows everything and with our human minds is never match to His. What ever it is , I love you my friend.
@Asylum (46834)
• Manchester, England
30 Jan 07
I am an atheist for the simple fact that I find no reason to believe in a god. A vast amount of the bible is factual and historically accurate, but the interpretation is where we differ. The majority of biblical content was written generations after the events and had been passed down from person to person, so I cannot accept it word for word. There have been many religions over the preceding millenia and I find most of them very interesting, although that is no reason to accept them. I have a decent knowledge of Roman mythology, Greek mythology and numerous beliefs of the Incas or the Vikings. However, I do not believe in Zeus or Quetzalcoatl, so why should I believe in your God?
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@willocfc (965)
• Australia
30 Jan 07
Well said, my thoughts exactly. I just couldnt articulate it as well as you lol
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
Its like saying goes like this, the older we get the wiser we become, it should not be the other way around. I will pray for you myfriend that you find your soul searching someday, ask yourself "why are you here in this world and what is your purpose" if you find it , eat drink and be merry'' the cows in the pasture have better of than you who you called yourself a human with a higher intelligence than them. Any how , God bless you just the same.
@ajinomoto23 (1057)
• Philippines
8 Feb 07
There are many atheist. Do not be surprise if you meet one. What does an atheist belief about life? The communist are atheist. They do not believe eternal life. They have no faith in God. So religion calls upon a False God. Do you call them atheist. There is only one True God. Jesus Christ. All other religiou do not promise eternal life. Buddah does not have a heaven. There is only one kingdom in heaven and God is the King. Mohammad does not establish his own kingdom in heaven.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
8 Feb 07
I like your thread and explanation of the differrent religion. Actually, there is no point in discussing, everyone will protect each belief that for all ,theirs is the truth. Thats is why I always say, as long as you are happy, we are all happy. Thank you for your contribution.
• Bangladesh
9 Feb 07
so you are trying to tell us that christianity is the only true religion and other religions are just fake. so from your aspect Jesus is the God. well you see he is actually nothing cause GOD is the God. christ is just only his son. and yea a good point, if he has a son how do you know that he doesn's have a doughter, or a wife.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
Its you who said that, and i've never said that. and it was not stated in the Bible that he had a daughter. I dont know.
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
6 Feb 07
I think atheist read enough of the Bible to know a lot of scripture,because they are always using the scriptures to harrass the christains with..They want to prove everything with science and the Bible is a book of faith...They cannot just believe the word of God,they want all this proof,they are the doubting Thomases of the world..I don,t know if its pride or race,it could be a little of both..I don,t understand where they think they came from,all the beauty in the word did not just happen..Anyway most of the time they use scripture to accuse or argue about,If they don,t believe then why do they care???I just do not understand their interest in the Bible since they don,t even believe it is true.....
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
6 Feb 07
Thank you very much slickcut, realy there are chosen ones who need not be told but understand. Need not a bible to read but listen with their heart. God bless you my friend and to everyone reading my lot.
@emeraldisle (13158)
• United States
30 Jan 07
The bible or any other religious book is just that a book to many. You might believe that it's holy and the word of God but to someone else of another religion or one who doesn't believe at all it's just a book. It might have some great stories or lessons in it but it isn't divine to them. That's where you have to realize the difference. I can have knowledge of a book but not believe it's true such as Star Wars. I know it, have knowledge of it but that doesn't make it factual.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
No matter how much you read the bible is a useless thing, there is a saying that, if there are good things, there is also bad things which is purely natural . You only believe things that you see.
@the_actor (494)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
most of the atheist are the critics of the Bible, they definitely know the content but not the real message.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
29 Jan 07
just for curiosity , i want learn from your responses thank you
@shiboleth (270)
• Canada
30 Jan 07
I think you may be right that it is pride. I cannot understand how somebody can hear the word of God and be stubborn in their disbelief. All you can do is pray that they see the right way.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
I will repeat, to say I am sorry for shooting such a question, Pride or what ever is like chasing the wind. Every person have their reason and I respect every one. Thank you my friend.
• Belgium
5 Feb 07
It's simply because we did not have the religion forced on us or we saw signs clearly showing that religion could just be nonsense.
• Bangladesh
10 Feb 07
well unfortunately they dodn't cause this whole religion thing is just nonsence and then why the religion because it's ultimate way to keep a person honest and moral.
• Thailand
30 Jan 07
I do not believe in the god of the Bible or the god put forth in any other holy book written by men. This conclusion was not reached in ignorance but by in-depth study of many religions. I do believe that Christ, Mohamed, Buddha, Gandhi and many other great teachers have walked on this earth and provided teachings to lead us to a greater understanding of ourselves and others. I do believe in a universal conciousness that we are all a part of. If this makes me an atheist than so be it.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
Of course , you dont pray as well and your knowledge is limited through your reading and you dont examine your heart neither, that is your belief and it will never change, for you are what you are.
• Thailand
30 Jan 07
If thought and reasoning are not prayer than you are correct, I do not pray in a formal sense but I do daily look in to my heart and I constantly am re-examining my beliefs. I do try to live by one thing, 'Do no harm.' If you know a better way please tell me.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
i like your comment for you posses the art of humility to accept, I applaude you for that. It is not enough to give no harm to others, what is important is the word Love your neighbor, How to love your neighbor, Learn to open your heart to the needy, the one poorer than you are, you will realize as you pray thanking Him that you give, His closeness to you. But give with a heart ss what was written , when your right hand gives, your left hand should never know it. Thank you my friend for you have a heart to listen. May God Bless you more of your needs.
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• United States
30 Jan 07
I'm sure this topic will stir up all sorts of fun... : ) It's not an issue of pride. It's an issue of not believing supernatural claims made in the Bible (or other religious texts). Science has disproved certain parts of the Bible (and other religious texts)... My thought is that if parts of the Bible are false, how can you pick and choose through the rest to decide what else is real or not? I saw something on television last night about evangelicals teaching children that dinosaurs walked the earth just a few thousand years ago with men. They actually went as far to show a drawing of a man leading a cart pulled by a dinosaur. I don't even know what to say when I see things like that... Seriously... Yikes!
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
Yes my friend , you interpret what you see and you decide it is wrong, then you being what you are believes more firmer that there is no God, But I tell you knowing and believing in God is wisdom. You only believe for what you see in this world, knowing that God is far more intelligent than man. Our mind is limited to that, then the interpretation of your mind is limited as well. Thank you just the same.
• United States
30 Jan 07
Yes... I see scripture that claims the earth is the center of the universe and I know it is wrong. I see a story about a boat that supposedly carried 4000+ (there are about 4000 known species of mammals) breeding pairs of animals for 40 days during a world wide flood and common sense says that it can not be true. To forgo logic for the warm fuzzy of blind faith does not fit any definition of wisdom that I know. I guess we will have to agree to disagree though because I do not have the wisdom to debate this issue...
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
31 Jan 07
That was the ancient world where people never get out of space, like their assumption that time that the world is flat, where mens knowledge is limited to that. Where in the size of the boat constructed was perfect 100 x 50 x 30 cubit or equivalent 21,091 cubic meter of space in the modern world. A pair of every living things or 800 heads as you mention which is not so much. Have seen livestock ship of 10,000 DWT carrying 50,000 heads of cows to hundred thousand sheep, can you imagine that magnitude. It is possible,,, What you think Well, my friend im just joking, i dont intend to battle brain with you, forgive me. It is just nice to discuss and make people a little bit upset. Ha ha ha God bless you anyway, all I know I am still innocent what is this world...
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
They have become atheists because that is their stand in life. They are convinced that mother nature came to be out of nowhere because it is just a matter of evolution. You cannot expect them to learn the Bible and the intricacies in it, because they are not at all interested. According to the Bible, little can be done with their kind because, they have within them hard and blinded hearts.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
Thank you for your point. Lately, I was reading one said we have blind faith now you mentioned the correct response to that " they have a blind heart" ha ha ha ha, I was supposed to say , better talk to the blind so you will understand, Thank you lady, I am learning to everyone.
11 Feb 07
I am not entirely sure what "Are atheist never heard of the Bible that they keep being one??" actually means as it makes no grammatical sense whatsoever. However ... I am an atheist and I cannot see how any intelligent person with even the remotest amount of analytical ability and logical sense could possibly be anythng else. I totally agree with Judy - of course gods are man-made, what else could they be? Religious belief is based almost entirely on fear, but atheists do not have that fear. We also know how to take responsibility for our own actions and our own mistakes and we know how to learn by them. As for the bible, of course I've read it. How could I possibly come to an informed decision on its contents if I hadn't? It's nothing more than a collection of myths and legends and most of it has been altered beyond recognition anyway (not to mention the large volumes which were burnt because they gave too much away). Try applying some good old-fashioned common sense to the question of religion and god and all the rest of it and see where it leads ...
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
I am learning from your point, Ill try your suggestion , thank you for your response
@pyro19h (30)
• Bangladesh
9 Feb 07
ofcourse they read the Bible and got the messege. and let me remind you one thing that they too once believed in God. but in some point they came up to the ultimate question against God. that is WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? yea. thats the only question they are looking for. it's not that they don't believe in God but they can't. God's not giving them the right answers they are looking for. i throughly studid several religion but none of them answered that question? atheists just want to know if God exists and if he does exist why can't ahow himself. yea thats what they are looking for, they are trying to find the light unlike most people who believe in God blindly.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
now I know you gave a good answer, thank you very much.
• Philippines
8 Feb 07
it's just a matter of faith. some people see the bible as something that is just a part of literature. how possible this is, consider these: there are no proofs, who wrote the bible--a human being, how is it possible that miracles were performed when it violates science, how can we say that there is someone who intervenes with the universe. to some people, the bible makes sense, because they have faith. but we can't blame all those who are non-believers, who don't believe in the bible.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
9 Feb 07
It is hard for people to believe unless their is proof of something supreme. Let us see the world like this. Superman is real, he helps every one, he corrects everything because he objects to everything that is bad. Surely, no doubt for the presence of a super hero. therefore, we will not have a question like this. The whole world will be very good, and in peace. Because there is a supreme being who is always there to intervene. Now, you consider that life, you are better of to a robot, then free will is suppresed. In my opinion, the state of the world as God like it to be is perfect. I like your point and God bless you all.
• United States
8 Feb 07
I'm not atheist, but I'm not christian either and don't believe in any conventional religion, so I feel like I can add some input. I do know about the bible, and about christianity (I was christian until I was about 16 or 17), but I don't feel it works for me or my personality. The atheist I know seem much the same way- they know about religion, but it doesn't fit them. I know many people who were the religion of their parents for years and finally just said "No, this isn't right". It's like a career, some people are incredibly happy as scientists. I've done science, I've studied it, I've even excelled at it. But it's not right for me, so it's not what I do.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
8 Feb 07
Ive heard of a study by scientist about the presence of a soul in the body and leaving the corpse after the last breath, are you familiar with it. Was there a finding to it. and what can you say about that. I dont intend to convince anyone that christians are right, its a matter of discussion. We have our our own freewill to decide what we think it is rigth for us. If someone is happy with that , that is important! Thank you for your point.
• United States
7 Feb 07
I have knowledge of the bible. I even have one from when i was confirmed. I just look at it as a book of fantasy stories and contridictions. There is no real proof any of it happened and have never seen any actuall miricales. It has nothing to do with pride or race or anything like that. I just learned to think for myself and decided from what I have seen tehre is no god and we are just here to be here then we die, that's it.
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
8 Feb 07
Thank you Mikeyr, then lets all be merry. Your knowlegde is good. What is important in todays world is respect to everyones belief and respect to every person. Thank you again.