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myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion 5 years ago

The below link is video footage of part of Lady Bird Johnson's funeral (from CNN). It's only about a minute long.

Watch it and tell me if you find anything about it that sends a shiver up your spine and/or puts a gross feeling in the pit of your stomach.

http://www.cnn.com/video/...

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1. myLot reputation of 83/100. scarlet2000 (1334)   5 years ago

I watched the video but I didn't see anything unusual about it. I may be having a blonde moment and don't get it. What is it that put a shiver up your spine?


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Maybe it was 4 years at Lakeview Christian Academy, but I was taught that symbol they were all making with their hands is a "goat's head" symbol and a sign of the devil.


myLot reputation of 66/100. wooitsmolly (1435)   ranked 746 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I was confused as well... lol.


myLot reputation of 83/100. scarlet2000 (1334)  5 years ago

After reading some of the other posts I think it has to do with the Texas Longhorns. I think it was sweet that they had the Longhorn band to play at her funeral.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Maybe so, but can you blame me for being a little freaked out after seeing that?

...it might help to know that I had not a clue about that same symbol being used in sporting events for support of the Texas Longhorns.


myLot reputation of 83/100. scarlet2000 (1334)  5 years ago

Don't feel bad about being freaked out about the symbol. I didn't get it at first.


myLot reputation of 82/100. elp388 (1846)  5 years ago

actually, I have taken a sign language courses and have a few friends that are deaf, that I grew up with.... the sign they are doing is "LOVE"

the goat of Mendez has their thumb in front of their ring finger and their middle finger.. to say "love" in sign language the thumb is out to the side.

don't feel bad it's a common mistake :)


myLot reputation of 82/100. elp388 (1846)  5 years ago

many people doing the sign for love, do it wrong and I see a few that are doing it wrong. much like some people will put up a "star of David" for religious holidays and mess it up and put a pentagram.. many people don't pay attention to detail.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Well, I sign too, and have also taken courses.
"I love you" is formed with the signed letters "I" "L" and "Y"...this sign is formed with the thumb pointed outward.
No one's thumbs are pointed outward in that video.

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2. myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)   5 years ago

What the h#ll, do they even know what that means? WRONG....WRONG....WRONG......


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

The sign means 2 things, one is I love YOU, in sign language, the other is the sign for the Texas Longhorns football team, which paly out of her university. You just have a dirty mind, or no education!


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

the "I love you" sign in the official sign language is formed with the thumb pointed outward. The hand they forms the sign language letters for I, L, and Y.
Check your facts please before accusing folks of having a dirty mind.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

Well, that has not meant BS for years now, except in backwards places. Get with the times.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

Thank you, I thought the same thing. Oh and by the way, I know sign language and THAT was not appropriate.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

You'd think the men of God would have known the difference. Ignorance? Is it a statment or excuse?


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Get with the times?
Tell that to your minister, Judy.


myLot reputation of 63/100. Latrivia (1976)   ranked 1,184 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Yes, they do know what that sign means. It means "Hook 'em Horns", and is a symbol of Longhorn Pride. It has no satanic connotations...not with this usage, anyway.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Well, call me superstitious or whatever, but I kind of have to wonder if burning pentagrams on the field would be as easily accepted and over looked.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

Some of you so called christians are so small minded you think anything you don't personally do is a sin. And I don't have a minister, I'm Atheist, and its people with your attitude who made me that way.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

Now you've confused me. The way you worded that, does that mean you're an athiest? or are agnosticism?


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Athiesm means that there is no God or no Devil, that we have no souls and become simply decay in the ground, no moving on to another life or after life. My dad is agnostic, which to hear him tell it means that he'll believe in God when he sees proof.

I don't care that Judy is athiest, and she can rant and holler about so-called Christians all day long--thanks for lumping me in the hypocrites, miss hateful. I don't judge your right to disbelieve, don't judge mine to believe without seeking organized religion. I no longer have a minister either and haven't attended church in 20 years, doesn't mean I don't believe in God, tho. ..and it sure doesn't mean I'm supportive of anything evil or bad in this world.

I do judge satanism tho, and surely even an athiest can agree that satanism is friggin' wrong. Just because one doesn't believe in it doesn't mean it's a good thing to be doing or practicing.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

perhaps if you actually learned about satanists, you wouldn't judge them so harshly.They basically follow the live for today theory, instead of the live for future, possible rewards theory. And I'm atheist. Thee is no god, in any religion, its all made up by men, except for a few very old pagan religions that worship mother earth(not wicca, which was invented by a man only 60 years ago)where women are the main worshipers.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

are you on the rag or what?

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3. myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)   5 years ago

There is nothing wrong with that. She probably asked for that to be sung at her funeral. it was held in her university, after all, and she was a devoted Texan all her life. i think its a very fitting tribute to her


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Wow, I guess Wesleyans are the the only Christian denomination that teaches that symbol is a goat head symbol used for practice in satanism.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

By the way, I highly doubt that it is used by satanists. yopur minister was shooting air through his hat

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lifez2short (1404)   ranked 1,392 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

OK were they really putting up the Texas Longhorn symbol? The priests and all were doing it and the band playing. Yeah that was just a little weird if you ask me.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Texas Longhorn symbol? That's a new one on me just today.
The Christian school I went to told us that symbol stood for a goat's head and was used in practicing satanism. Imagine my surprise to see all those prominent people and church officials raising their little goat's heads like they were at a Motley Crue concert instead of a funeral.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lifez2short (1404)   ranked 1,392 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Oh I had no idea what you thougt it meant. Now I understand why you wrote what you did.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Yeah, it creeped me out big time.
I appreciate you're understanding.

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5. myLot reputation of 94/100. Nykkee (1424)   5 years ago

I just watched it....I have to admit I don't know who Lady Bird Johnson was, and I didn;t have the sound on so maybe I missed something. They were all making a hand symbol that I alawys thought was assoctiated with rock n' roll or something, that seemed odd....but is that what I was supposed to be looking for? Did I need to turn the sound on?


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

She was a former First Lady of the U.S. Her husband was Lyndon B. Johnson, who took the presidency when Jack Kennedy was assassinated.

The symbol those people are making with their hands is also a symbol in the practice of satanism, or so I was taught in school as a child.

Looks like lots of people who are either Texans or know their sports are saying it is a symbol in support of the team, the Texas Longhorns. Being I am not a sports fan nor a Texan, the sight of that video actually made my blood run cold to see prominent religious figures and a whole room full of blue bloods acting as tho they are at a rock concert rather than a funeral.

Looks like i pissed off a lot of people today...oops.
Thanks for taking time to ask questions.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

Visitorinvasion - you go girl!


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

It may very well be the symbol for long horns whatever, but within a church there should have been more realization of what this sign is used for. It is inappropriate. Simple as that.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Amen, dude.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

it was not in a church, it was in the auditorium of the university the woman, and most of the participants, attended

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6. myLot reputation of 63/100. Latrivia (1976)   ranked 1,184 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

Absolutely nothing - Lady Bird was an UT alumni. That hand gesture...while also being the sign of "El Diablo" in some contexts, was used because of her connection with the University of Texas. In other words, it was the "Hook 'em Horns" sign. There's no reason to get chills over this...the reason for it's usage was quite clear, and was even listed under the window displaying the movie.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Thank you for explaining this to me like a kind hearted individual, for I am neither a sports fan nor a Texan & with my religious back ground as a child, I was a bit too freaked out to even read anything on that page. I just wanted to shut the dang window and not look at it any more. Thinking it was a blatant slap in God's face, my first thought was to get other thoughts on this. The idea that any institution would take something known to be a symbol of satanic ritual on as their own thing never entered my mind until people began responding.

Thank you again for your polite response.

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7. myLot reputation of 85/100. totty1969 (763)   5 years ago

I kinda felt like I was watching a heavy metal concert with all the head bangers. Why were thet all giving the devil sign. that's just not right. I think she deserves a little more respect than that.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

Apparently most the other readers accept the goat's head symbol as the symbol in support of Texas Longhorns. Apparently it was supposed to be a tribute to here alma mater, University of Texas.

...it still creeps me out seeing religious figures making that symbol, tho.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

Well said!


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

OMG did we just start a holy war?


myLot reputation of 85/100. totty1969 (763)  5 years ago

I guess it all makes sense, I still say it looks strange to see people doing that at a funeral. I was looking in the crowd for Anton Levay.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

hahahaha, good one, Totty! ROFL!

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8. myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)   5 years ago

I just had to do this, but my 14 year old son watched the funeral clip and he was upset by it too. There isn't anything wrong with you seeing what we see. Wrong, is wrong.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I hear ya, it's disturbing to see something so vile accepted so nonchalantly. I wonder what school will adopt the bird as it's cheering symbol...


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

That was good...


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

...I wonder if folks would claim it means "we're #1"

...yeah, I'm being a little snotty. Bad me.

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9. myLot reputation of 82/100. elp388 (1846)   5 years ago

this is the first time I saw such a happy funeral!
I'm sure those people were making a mistake with their hand positioning. I doubt they had that many satanist at one funeral.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

One would think that religious figureheads would know the difference. The common everyday teachers at Christian school knew the difference. I realize people are saying it's for the Longhorns, and I'm sure it is, but the symbol makes my stomach twist, and I'm not a highly religious person.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5726)  5 years ago

No there aren't any santanist at this funeral, this is about the inappropriate hand jesture. And you're right about a "happy" funeral, I was waiting for to see someone walking up and downs the aisle selling beer.


myLot reputation of 38/100. judyt00 (2706)  5 years ago

Lets get this straight! you are all Christians, yet you are appalled that some other bunch of christians weren't prostrate with grief because some kind old christian lady died and was on her way to heaven. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS! I thought you all believed that dieing was a good thing for people like that


myLot reputation of 82/100. elp388 (1846)  5 years ago

no where did I mention that I was appalled by the happy funeral, I was just saying that I had never seen a happy funeral.. it was an observation.

When it's my time to die, I do hope that my funeral is a happy event and not one filled with tears.
when someone I love dies, I do cry, but I am in no way crying for them.. I am crying for selfish reasons.. I am crying because I will miss seeing them... I cry for me.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

I know that feeling all too well.
I have yet to attend a happy funeral tho...my mil is still alive...sorry, that was in poor taste, but I do cry for myself most of the time. I cried for my friend when she ended her own life & I cried for the children she left behind even more than I cried for our still unrepaired friendship. For my fil, my bil, my grandmother & granny, as well as my stepdaughter, those tears were mostly for me and the pain I saw in my family members' faces.

I hope that people will celebrate my life, but not to the point where the video of the memorial looks like a cult ritual.

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10. myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,124 out of 6,501 in religion   5 years ago

there are a couple things weird about it...

i assume that people should be sad at a funeral, not happy and singing..
also, seeing these priests hold up the "rock on" or "i love you" or "i love satan" symbol is pretty frkn hilarious..

the history of the "devil horns" was supposedly a superstition in ancient Greece that helps ward off evil spirits..

it does not send a shiver up my spine because i am an atheist..and i know the history of it has very little to do with the [non-existent] devil.


myLot reputation of 68/100. visitorinvasion (3623)   ranked 627 out of 6,501 in religion  5 years ago

It still freaks me out.

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